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post #2041 of 2827
It will be interesting to see and hear if the 105 really sounds better than the 95 it has all the same chips for Audio plus it wont' do 9.1 or 11.1 unless using HDMi in which case one is better off using 103
post #2042 of 2827
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Originally Posted by bakerwi View Post

I meant to say transports. Sorry about that!smile.gif And I agree that sometimes things can be made better but of course at a price. Modders seem to like Oppo products in this manner, but I am glad that Oppo puts out a solid product at fair price and those who want to get more out of it can do so at their own expense.biggrin.gif

Is OK, no problems.
Sorry not to share your point of view in the answer to dmusoke .
Oppo (as what so ever company which sell products on marked) have to take the time to answer questions (coming from the marked/customers/buyers) about that product they sell it. They have to explain and they have to justify theirs design considerations, about one or another product to the potential customers. Customers worries, concerns, and preoccupations related to a product they will invest theirs moneys into, have to have answers about that product meet the expectations. Is just the relation producer - marked which oblige the (serious) producer to clarify things. Not at least, this "obligation" is in the Oppo`s advantage (in this case). Speculations, questions and misunderstandings may be clarified at the right time before to have an negative impact on the marked. They did right and they have to do it like this... I`m quite sure that somebody in the Oppo`s marketing department is very satisfied with this job...
One may not have to worry about how Oppo use the time for "justifications" and answers to the clients/customers. We pay for that time at last, buying that their product and not from a concurrent... So we deserve (detailed) answers...
Edited by Coris - 11/3/12 at 11:54am
post #2043 of 2827
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

It will be interesting to see and hear if the 105 really sounds better than the 95 it has all the same chips for Audio plus it wont' do 9.1 or 11.1 unless using HDMi in which case one is better off using 103

It likely will sound the same as the 95 analog.
post #2044 of 2827
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Originally Posted by Coris View Post

Is OK, no problems.
Sorry not to share your point of view in the answer to dmusoke .
Oppo (as what so ever company which sell products on marked) have to take the time to answer questions (coming from the marked/customers/buyers) about that product they sell it. They have to explain and they have to justify theirs design considerations, about one or another product to the potential customers. Customers worries, concerns, and preoccupations related to a product they will invest theirs moneys into, have to have answers about that product meet the expectations. Is just the relation producer - marked which oblige the (serious) producer to clarify things. Not at least, this "obligation" is in the Oppo`s advantage (in this case). Speculations, questions and misunderstandings may be clarified at the right time before to have an negative impact on the marked. They did right and they have to do it like this... I`m quite sure that somebody in the Oppo`s marketing department is very satisfied with this job...
One may not have to worry about how Oppo use the time for "justifications" and answers to the clients/customers. We pay for that time at last, buying that their product and not from a concurrent... So we deserve (detailed) answers...

I guess we can agree to disagree.smile.gif I would like to think that Oppo considered their design decisions very carefully?eek.gif None of the design concerns raised by fellow forum members prior to Oppo answering those questions really concerned me. They just have too good of a reputation to put out a faulty product. For those who believe that more can be extracted out of the BDP-105, then I say let your wallet guide you as I know there are modders waiting.biggrin.gif Based on your questions to Oppo and this thread you seem like you are a very capable person in the area of modifications or what could potentially improve (audible or measurable) a product.smile.gif Upon release there will be a BDP-105 in my main rack.smile.gif

However, I have learned a few things from your questions and others.smile.gif
post #2045 of 2827
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Originally Posted by Brian-HD View Post

It likely will sound the same as the 95 analog.

Brian,

You are probably right on this account as believe most of the changes in the design were implemented to accomdate the new features.
post #2046 of 2827
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post


I'm not an actual real owner -- I just play one on TV. But I've deliberately set up my 105 in a semi-enclosed space to see if I could generate any heat related problems. This is a wooden console shelf space, closed by a door in the front and open in the back. There's a couple inches side wall clearance on either side and about 4 inches clearance above. The opening in the back is reduced a couple inches by a structural support across the back top of the opening.
I use a remote sensing thermometer periodically to see what's going on inside that space -- e.g., measuring the temperature increase of the inside surface above the player.
This is not a formal thermal analysis of course, but it works for me.
My results are simple. In this configuration the player's heat is being dissipated adequately and I've found no operational or quality problems which are due to heat, even after many hours of continuous use. This is with HDMI, with multi-channel Analog, and with the Headphone output.
--Bob

 

Bob ...would it  be possible to give us some of the temperature readings you've measured for the 105? I'm just curious to know its typical readings within its intended environment.

post #2047 of 2827
There seems to be a lot of tough critics in anticipation of the BDP-105 here. Therefore, I figure this is a good audience to ask some advice.

Currently my sources are as follows: Clearaudio Emotion turntable, Pioneer BDP-320, Arcam CD73T, FIOS HD DVR Motorola 7232.

My amp is an Ayon Audio Spirit III and I also have a Tom Evans Microgroove+ phono stage (Synergistic Research Magnetic Tricon interconnect).

For the sake of completeness, this is a two channel system, my speakers are Kudos Cardea C20 w/ Synergistic Research Tesla LE Accelerator speaker cables and my TV is a Pioneer Kuro KRP-500M.

The Oppo BDP-105 will therefore happily replace the Pioneer BDP and Arcam CD players.

I also plan to connect the DVR via an HDMI input cable to the Oppo and have the Oppo handle the video and audio out for the DVR as well.

Now my questions:

1. Will the Oppo have any impact on the video quality of the DVR? If so, should I get a decent quality HDMI cable? My opinion of HDMI cables is that they don't really matter like audio interconnects / speaker cables do. I do think the Oppo will improve the sound quality of the DVR a bit but it may be a case of garbage-in/garbage-out.

2. My Ayon Spirit III has XLR inputs. Should I connect the Oppo via XLR or RCA? Is their really a difference besides the higher voltage of the XLR outputs or does this just mean it is louder at lower volumes? If I go with XLR or RCA, any interconnect recommendations?

3. While I do not use my iMac as a source today, and I do not have an extensive library of ripped CDs or any hi-rez downloads currently, I do like the ability to quickly move in this direction. What are the best options to be able to do this since my iMac is in a different room? Should I buy a Mac Mini or are there other simple storage device solutions that I could effectively use with an iPad or any other recommended approaches? I believe an Apple TV does not play hi-rez audio but the Mac Mini could use the headphone out via coax connection (sorry - I don't mean to start a USB vs. Coax war here given the limitations of Coax to 96kHz).

4. Is upgrading the power cable of the Oppo player a worthwhile mod based on experience with the 95? Any power cable recommendations?

5. Some future proof questions:
A. Can someone explain whether the Oppo will play DSD download files? While limited in availability that seems to be the direction that high-end DACs are moving.
B. Is the Oppo USB inputs currently 2.0? Anyone have any views on whether USB 3.0 will matter for audio?

Thank you!
post #2048 of 2827
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

I'm not an actual real owner -- I just play one on TV. But I've deliberately set up my 105 in a semi-enclosed space to see if I could generate any heat related problems. This is a wooden console shelf space, closed by a door in the front and open in the back. There's a couple inches side wall clearance on either side and about 4 inches clearance above. The opening in the back is reduced a couple inches by a structural support across the back top of the opening.
I use a remote sensing thermometer periodically to see what's going on inside that space -- e.g., measuring the temperature increase of the inside surface above the player.
This is not a formal thermal analysis of course, but it works for me.
My results are simple. In this configuration the player's heat is being dissipated adequately and I've found no operational or quality problems which are due to heat, even after many hours of continuous use. This is with HDMI, with multi-channel Analog, and with the Headphone output.
--Bob

Thanks Bob,

just the information I was looking for. I will be one of the first to order the BDP-105s.

Cheers.

Tony
post #2049 of 2827
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

Bob ...would it  be possible to give us some of the temperature readings you've measured for the 105? I'm just curious to know its typical readings within its intended environment.

Do you think that you will get that info?biggrin.gif
post #2050 of 2827
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Originally Posted by Brian-HD View Post


Do you think that you will get that info?biggrin.gif

Hope springs eternalredface.gif!

post #2051 of 2827
This may already be answered, but searching the thread proved fruitless.

Does the 105 support using the stereo L and R input connections for the L and R of multichannel sources, or is that moot because, without DAC stacking, they can get the same resolution on the 7.1 inputs?
post #2052 of 2827
The biggest "anticipation" for me is determining how the oppo compares to my expensive 2 channel preamp and whether I can finally get rid of it. The fact that the new oppo has digital inputs is a HUGE benefit in my opinion. With this product, Oppo has the opportunity to win over a HUGE number of audiophiles who want two channel/multi-channel/DVD player/CD player all in one. Lets not also forget about the expensive interconnects that won't be required which in many cases costs more than the Oppo. Then off course there are the gamers who want that digital input. Although a small market we want top notch sound.

Currently the two channel dacs with built in preamps in the market are average (apart from a couple of exceptions). In any case they have no multi-channel capability. Having said that I want to test the Oppo extensively on music. Although the BDP-95 wasn't up to the level of some other more expensive two channel Dacs I've had through the house it was certainly respectable and could have quite happily lived with the sound. As far as multichannel sound I think the oppo 95 is the equivalent to anything out there apart from say some of the newer anthem stuff. I compared the Oppo to an old Lexicon MC12 I had lying around and nearly threw the Lex in the trash can. It was so outclassed but of course is 10 year old technology....

I think we are very fortunate where we can get a product so cheap for $1200 that 10 years ago would have cost $30,000+ (High end processor/CD Player/Dac/DVD player/Preamp/interconnects) and all this junk still would not have achieved the same picture and sound quality of the Oppo let alone streaming etc.

I'm pleased that companies like Oppo are exposing many of the so called High-end audio manufacturers and dealers as "snake oil" salesman ripping the consumer off with outrageous margins but inferior product. As the consumer continues to recognize the exceptional value and innovation Oppo provides I hope Oppo continues to gain market share. They deserve it plus they are a nice bunch of people to deal with. The biggest risk is Oppo gets bought out by someone like Harman where we will no doubt see the Oppo rebranded as a Lexicon, the price triple with the only benefit being a fancy box....
Edited by djkiwi - 11/3/12 at 8:06pm
post #2053 of 2827
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Originally Posted by jimshowalter View Post

This may already be answered, but searching the thread proved fruitless.

Does the 105 support using the stereo L and R input connections for the L and R of multichannel sources, or is that moot because, without DAC stacking, they can get the same resolution on the 7.1 inputs?

The 105 DOES support that -- the same way it is done in the 95. I'm using that now for my Analog testing.

I have not tried comparing that configuration against using the normal LF/RF outputs of the multi-channel Analog set, so I can't offer any subjective comparison.

I'm sorry, but the Beta Testers are not supposed to talk about implementation details -- i.e., what differences exist in the two audio path choices. But I'm sure our Investigative Reporters here will get right on it.
--Bob
Edited by Bob Pariseau - 11/3/12 at 9:22pm
post #2054 of 2827
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

Bob ...would it  be possible to give us some of the temperature readings you've measured for the 105? I'm just curious to know its typical readings within its intended environment.

I'm not going to do that because the absolute results would be meaningless without more details on the setup and what I was doing to exercise The Monster, which I'm too lazy to write up. The main point in taking the temp measurements was to have some record to report to OPPO if something went wrong. But nothing went wrong.

From a purely practical point of view:

1) The top the chassis gets noticeably warm after extended use but never uncomfortably warm to the touch. I.e., it reaches operating temperature, after which the heat is then being adequately dissipated.

2) The sides hardly get warm at all. This is evidence that heat is NOT building up INSIDE the chassis.

3) There is enough heat coming off the unit that I don't think it would be wise to place it in a completely enclosed space. In my case I have the entire back of the space open (except for the bar across the top). Any equivalent opening should suffice -- e.g., no door on the front, or an open side. Having a back panel with just cable slots is probably NOT enough ventilation. But since I never managed to drive the unit to failure, I've really got no idea how much heat margin it will tolerate.
--Bob
Edited by Bob Pariseau - 11/3/12 at 11:22pm
post #2055 of 2827
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Originally Posted by BrianNYC View Post

. . . .

Now my questions:

1. Will the Oppo have any impact on the video quality of the DVR? If so, should I get a decent quality HDMI cable? My opinion of HDMI cables is that they don't really matter like audio interconnects / speaker cables do. I do think the Oppo will improve the sound quality of the DVR a bit but it may be a case of garbage-in/garbage-out.

2. My Ayon Spirit III has XLR inputs. Should I connect the Oppo via XLR or RCA? Is their really a difference besides the higher voltage of the XLR outputs or does this just mean it is louder at lower volumes? If I go with XLR or RCA, any interconnect recommendations?

3. While I do not use my iMac as a source today, and I do not have an extensive library of ripped CDs or any hi-rez downloads currently, I do like the ability to quickly move in this direction. What are the best options to be able to do this since my iMac is in a different room? Should I buy a Mac Mini or are there other simple storage device solutions that I could effectively use with an iPad or any other recommended approaches? I believe an Apple TV does not play hi-rez audio but the Mac Mini could use the headphone out via coax connection (sorry - I don't mean to start a USB vs. Coax war here given the limitations of Coax to 96kHz).

4. Is upgrading the power cable of the Oppo player a worthwhile mod based on experience with the 95? Any power cable recommendations?

5. Some future proof questions:
A. Can someone explain whether the Oppo will play DSD download files? While limited in availability that seems to be the direction that high-end DACs are moving.
B. Is the Oppo USB inputs currently 2.0? Anyone have any views on whether USB 3.0 will matter for audio?

Thank you!

For (1), check to see if your DVR can be set to what is commonly called "native" output resolution -- i.e., when watching SD channels it automatically sends out 480i, and when watching HD channels it automatically sends out either 720p or 1080i according to what's coming in on the channel. If so, then yes the upscaling in the OPPO is likely superior to what the DVR can do itself. My personal recommendation is that you get a good, but not exotic, HDMI cable. Blue Jeans cable and Monoprice -- both AVS sponsors -- sell very nice HDMI cables at modest enough price that you can even get their "best" cables without straining the exchequer.

For (2), only the 105 offers stereo XLR outputs, so I presume your interest is in the upcoming 105, and not the 103 that's shipping now. It will certainly not hurt to use the XLR connections and it might help. Here's the deal: XLR is a cabling technology designed to minimize the possibility interference will penetrate the cable along its length. It is intended to be more resistant to interference than traditional cable shielding (which good XLR cables also have). The way it work is simplicity itself. The signal is sent twice -- biased either side of ground. At the receiving end, one signal is subtracted from the other. The theory is that any interference which penetrates the cable shield will naturally affect BOTH signals identically, and thus this subtraction automagically eliminates it! The higher voltage is also a consequence of this: a - (-a) = 2a. Now, XLR connections are used in studios because they typically have long cable runs and lots of sources of interference. Neither of those will likely be true in your home setup. And so, it is pretty unlikely that XLR cabling will offer any significant advantage over decent quality, shielded RCA cables -- assuming the amp itself has equal quality internals for its XLR and RCA inputs. But like I said, it won't HURT either. So since you have XLR input available, go ahead and use XLR cabling and sleep soundly. (XLR also provides locking connectors, which come in handy in studios when the "talent" trips over the cables.)

For (3), I don't really have any suggestions to offer on ways to combine storage devices and an iPad. As for using your iMac, the best approach at the moment would likely be to install a DLNA server package on the iMac. The OPPO 105 could then see media files served up by that server and stream them over your house network. If you go the route of a Mac Mini installed near the OPPO 105, one possibility is to connect a USB socket on that to the USB DAC Input on the 105. The Mac Mini will then see the 105 as an audio output device. Select that, and then whatever audio you play on the Mac Mini will be sent to the OPPO as high bit-rate stereo LPCM and rendered by the audio outputs on the OPPO. (The 103/105 also offer SMB support as another way for the player to browse and stream files from a computer, but unfortunately that is not currently compatible with the SMB file sharing services available on Macs.)

For (4), my strong recommendation is that you do not spend any money upgrading the power cable beyond what OPPO includes with the player. The reason is simple: There is no logical explanation why the last 3 feet of power cord should make any difference whatsoever when placed at the end of the several hundred feet of contractor's power wiring in your walls and the several miles of utility wiring and industrial transformers between you and the power plant.

For (5), I've not actually tried it myself, but my understanding is that in the current firmware the OPPO will NOT play DSD formatted downloadable files. It only plays DSD data format from SACD music discs. The 3 peripheral device USB ports on the 103/105 are USB 2.0. USB 2.0 provides MORE than adequate transfer rates for playing audio (and video) files from attached hard drives. I.e., there's no point in USB 3.0 for this application.
--Bob
Edited by Bob Pariseau - 11/3/12 at 10:20pm
post #2056 of 2827
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

Uhhh ...  Nope:D !
Too late! biggrin.gif
--Bob
post #2057 of 2827
More cats leaving the bag? MusicDirect.com now has text indicating that the BDP-105 will ship "mid-November":

http://www.musicdirect.com/p-107530-oppo-bdp-105-universal-blu-ray-player.aspx

Quote:
Shipping in Mid-November. Pre-order today, don't miss out on 2012 holiday delivery.

I've not seen anything from OPPO Digital or OPPO UK themselves that confirms this yet. It's also not clear whether any such "mid-November" date would be the point at which players ship TO them from OPPO or that players ship FROM them to customers.
--Bob
post #2058 of 2827
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post


For (4), my strong recommendation is that you do not spend any money upgrading the power cable beyond what OPPO includes with the player. The reason is simple: There is no logical explanation why the last 3 feet of power cord should make any difference whatsoever when placed at the end of the several hundred feet of contractor's power wiring in your walls and the several miles of utility wiring and industrial transformers between you and the power plant.

--Bob

The high voltage power cables can interfere with the line-level interconnect and speaker cables. High quality power cables have shielding that eliminates that possibility.
post #2059 of 2827
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Originally Posted by scanspeak View Post

The high voltage power cables can interfere with the line-level interconnect and speaker cables. High quality power cables have shielding that eliminates that possibility.

One may not have power cable routed the same way as the line level cables or speakers goes... At last, the line level cables should be completely separate from the rest. But is very true and well that the power cable should be shielded.
For manufacturer, using an ordinary shielded cable to fabricate that power connection, and deliver it together with the player, will for sure not be a big (final) price problem, but will be very much appreciated from the user side... Maybe more usefully than the black bag inside the player`s box...
post #2060 of 2827
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post


.................................... But I'm sure our Investigative Reporters here will get right on it.
--Bob

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post #2061 of 2827
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post


For (4), my strong recommendation is that you do not spend any money upgrading the power cable beyond what OPPO includes with the player. The reason is simple: There is no logical explanation why the last 3 feet of power cord should make any difference whatsoever when placed at the end of the several hundred feet of contractor's power wiring in your walls and the several miles of utility wiring and industrial transformers between you and the power plant.

--Bob

The high voltage power cables can interfere with the line-level interconnect and speaker cables. High quality power cables have shielding that eliminates that possibility.

Nope. Put the money into shielded interconnects if this concerns you as there are plenty of other sources of interference if you want to go looking for them. Paying attention to cable drape is also a better solution then wasting money on an aftermarket power cord.
--Bob
post #2062 of 2827
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

For (3), I don't really have any suggestions to offer on ways to combine storage devices and an iPad. As for using your iMac, the best approach at the moment would likely be to install a DLNA server package on the iMac. The OPPO 105 could then see media files served up by that server and stream them over your house network. If you go the route of a Mac Mini installed near the OPPO 105, one possibility is to connect a USB socket on that to the USB DAC Input on the 105. The Mac Mini will then see the 105 as an audio output device. Select that, and then whatever audio you play on the Mac Mini will be sent to the OPPO as high bit-rate stereo LPCM and rendered by the audio outputs on the OPPO. (The 103/105 also offer SMB support as another way for the player to browse and stream files from a computer, but unfortunately that is not currently compatible with the SMB file sharing services available on Macs.)

--Bob

First off, Bob thank you for the very thorough responses.

On #3, the DLNA server definitely seems to be the way to go in my apartment. It saves me from buying another device (Mac Mini) and as long as my wireless network does not have issues, the files are played at their original hi-res formats, if applicable.

So now one new question for the group. Given the importance of audio quality in my system, what is a better option: BDP-105 or BDP-103 plus a good DAC like the MyTek Stereo 192-DSD-DAC.

The BDP-105 option uses passive cooling. The BDP-103 / MyTek option obviously costs more and requires additional interconnects but ignoring cost, may provide a better DAC if I used a coax connection between the Oppo and the MyTek and a better headphone amp.

I know the BDP-105 isn't out yet so this is all speculation but from the 93/95 user base, did many opt to go with the 93 as a very good transport and buy an external DAC?

Is there anything else I am missing in terms of comparing the current alternatives above?
post #2063 of 2827
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

Hope springs eternal:o !

Lazy to write up biggrin.gif
post #2064 of 2827
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

The main point in taking the temp measurements was to have some record to report to OPPO if something went wrong. But nothing went wrong.
From a purely practical point of view:
1) The top the chassis gets noticeably warm after extended use but never uncomfortably warm to the touch. I.e., it reaches operating temperature, after which the heat is then being adequately dissipated.
2) The sides hardly get warm at all. This is evidence that heat is NOT building up INSIDE the chassis.
3) There is enough heat coming off the unit that I don't think it would be wise to place it in a completely enclosed space. In my case I have the entire back of the space open (except for the bar across the top). Any equivalent opening should suffice -- e.g., no door on the front, or an open side. Having a back panel with just cable slots is probably NOT enough ventilation. But since I never managed to drive the unit to failure, I've really got no idea how much heat margin it will tolerate.

Good info, thank you.

Using your term from above, even when the unit is turned off does the top of the 105 player still stay "warm"?
post #2065 of 2827
^ No. When OFF the chassis top cools all the way down to ambient air temperature (as best I can tell), even if using Quick Start. But I must confess that's by hand. I didn't use the temp probe to check the Quick Start power off temp.
--Bob
post #2066 of 2827
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

The USB DAC and the two HDMI Inputs on the 105 are all capable of 192KHz LPCM 2.0.
Since there are only a handful of discs shipped at the moment bearing the Cinavia watermark, odds are the vast majority of your current collection will be unaffected by Cinavia. For the future, we'll have to see.
Somehow, I think someone clever enough to figure out your eSATA/USB combo drive setup will be able to figure out a dual USB solution -- presuming you can't just turn it around and run the eSATA side to your computer. Just another of the little challenges that come with upgrading. biggrin.gif
--Bob

Thanks for your response. My current collection will continue to play just fine, as none of the titles is infected with Cinavia.
In the foreseeable future, though, my setup will became useless, as more and more -- eventually, maybe all -- titles will
have Cinavia. Then, in time, I am sure a cure will be found and available. I'm mulling over whether it makes sense to
upgrade to the BDP-105 at this time, as it looks like the wait may be long (two different groups have been grappling with
the problem for quite a while now). I was wondering whether others were in the same boat as I and, if so, what their
thinking was.

As to the USB/eSATA HDD, I intended to reverse the ports, as you suggest (assuming I can find an eSATA repeater cable
-- the distance is over 20ft.) Another solution could be going for a NAS, which has some other advantages, but for a price.

-- Ron
post #2067 of 2827
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

^ No. When OFF the chassis top cools all the way down to ambient air temperature (as best I can tell), even if using Quick Start. But I must confess that's by hand. I didn't use the temp probe to check the Quick Start power off temp.

Thanks for the quick response.

IMO it's a small-to-medium plus for the 105 player.

Meaning that the 105 unit's built-in head phone amp chips do not get power when the unit is turned off. So the 105 by itself does not need to have a separate on/off power switch to cool it down to room temperature.
post #2068 of 2827
Will the 105 Multi-task?

Say you want to use the 105 to watch Directv at the same time that you are listening to music through the DAC digital input and/or into the headphone circuit, is the only way to multi-task is to use the TV's audio for Directv, at the same using the 105 split AV HDMI to handle the music, whether it be inputted from an external CD player or computer through the DAC or from the 105 universal player itself? Could you please lay out the options that can be done at the same time?

Thanks for the clarification.
post #2069 of 2827
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

Not sure what you would need to use the SPDIF input for, what device do you have with support for 24/192 output over SPDIF? Again consider the SMB support in the player.
I have an older DVD player that outputs SPDIF at 192KHz (there's no dearth of these around). Still, this issue is no
huge concern for me, as my prepro can handle it just fine. My comment was general. I view this as an unnecessary
disadvantage, notwithstanding the other 192KHz capable input options. I've done a fair amount of product definition
and market positioning in my life and I guess the habit sticks :-).

-- Ron
post #2070 of 2827
Thank you Bob and Bill for all the wisdom and good answers you provide to us on this forum. I also appreciate the technical input challenges to some extent as long as they do not detract from the main purpose, which is not to say we should be re-designing the current ready to go to market player. Personally I read everything I can, yet can only afford to purhase the low to medium priced toys for my theater room to drive my 7 magnepans, which must function for both stereo and movies. And my sytesm works very well. In my work I use and have taken the EMI/RFI courses and do apply the signal shielding requirement to my signal cabling, and am trying to add at least the lower cost power cords with shielding. And yes, if you could visually see the wifi soup all around you in your home, you would wonder how your system can work as well as it does, so there is much more to worry about than the harmonics of 60 hz!. But every little bit hurts your system, and changes the way it COULD sound.
I am very picky on what I purchase as I have much more limited funds compared to those who can buy the modder's versions later. The modders deal with smaller volume and must chage more than I can afford. So to me, OPPO is the right thing to do, and although the price of the 105 is a major purchase to me, I will stretch to it. If I am disappointed, it will be unusual. Otherwise I too would go for the older 95.
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