or Connect
AVS › AVS Forum › Blu-ray & HD DVD › Blu-ray Players › Official OPPO BDP-103/BDP-105 Anticipation Thread
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Official OPPO BDP-103/BDP-105 Anticipation Thread - Page 78

post #2311 of 2827
Quote:
Originally Posted by haverbach View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

The whole idea with Asynchronous USB is to eliminate Jitter. . . . . On the other hand, if you want to use multi-channel digital audio from your Source, HDMI will likely be MUCH better than the Optical/Coax S/PDIF inputs. (The Asynchronous USB input is limited to Stereo LPCM.)
--Bob


Wait a minute, Bob ---

I, like a few others, have a 2.1 system for music --- two monitor-sized front L & R speakers, and a subwoofer. In order to keep everything in the analog domain from my Oppo 83SE to my Marantz receiver, with no further D-to-A or A-to-D conversion, I use the MCH FR, FL and SW analog outputs on my Oppo 83SE to the corresponding MCH analog inputs on my Marantz receiver.

I am considering upgrading to the new Oppo 105, when available.

In your quoted statement above, are you saying that I should abandon the all-analog route and move to HDMI, or are you referring only to situations where the Oppo-105 is to be used as an outboard DAC for some other source machine?

Thanks,

Howard

I'm referring to the player's Digital INPUTS, not it's outputs.

Your use of Analog for output is fine.

(There are no Analog inputs on the player, so the question does not arise.)
--Bob
post #2312 of 2827
Quote:
Originally Posted by zindra View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by gsr View Post

Are you asking because you're tight on vertical space in your cabinet? Keep in mind that the 105 has vents on the top that need at least some room to breathe.
I have a shelve which is 12cm high, open back and front. Do you please know how tall is the 105 without the big feet? If it's around 10cm and I can use smaller feet maybe I can get about 2cm clearance on top, would this be enough? I've looked at some pictures of the 105 and havent's noticed the holes on top for ventilation, maybe the pictures were of a prototype?

The Front Plate of the 105 measures 4 1/4 inches = 10.8 cm.

The actual height with the feet removed would be slightly taller due to exposed screw heads on the bottom plate.

But even ignoring that, an air gap above the player of 1.2cm (less than half an inch) is insufficient in my opinion even for a shelf that's open at both ends.

It would be different if there was more vertical space inside and it was just the opening hole at front and back that was so limited.
--Bob
post #2313 of 2827
Quote:
Originally Posted by zindra View Post

I've looked at some pictures of the 105 and havent's noticed the holes on top for ventilation, maybe the pictures were of a prototype?

The *hi-rez* front picture shows the top holes, but even then it's still barely visible.

See:

http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-105/images/BDP-105-Front-hr.jpg
post #2314 of 2827
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

The Front Plate of the 105 measures 4 1/4 inches = 10.8 cm.
The actual height with the feet removed would be slightly taller due to exposed screw heads on the bottom plate.
But even ignoring that, an air gap above the player of 1.2cm (less than half an inch) is insufficient in my opinion even for a shelf that's open at both ends.
It would be different if there was more vertical space inside and it was just the opening hole at front and back that was so limited.
--Bob

I'm sure the owner's manual, once available, will have information about the required space in all directions for proper ventilation. Most products I have seen seem to like 4 or more inches of air space adjacent to any vents. My guess is you will need at least a couple of inches of air space above the top vents and probably more. With any modern electronics ventilation is critical since heat is the biggest enemy of solid state electronics and microcircuits, this will be especially true with the 105 since it has dropped the cooling fan that was in the 95.
post #2315 of 2827
Quote:
Originally Posted by JazzGuyy View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

The Front Plate of the 105 measures 4 1/4 inches = 10.8 cm.
The actual height with the feet removed would be slightly taller due to exposed screw heads on the bottom plate.
But even ignoring that, an air gap above the player of 1.2cm (less than half an inch) is insufficient in my opinion even for a shelf that's open at both ends.
It would be different if there was more vertical space inside and it was just the opening hole at front and back that was so limited.
--Bob

I'm sure the owner's manual, once available, will have information about the required space in all directions for proper ventilation. Most products I have seen seem to like 4 or more inches of air space adjacent to any vents. My guess is you will need at least a couple of inches of air space above the top vents and probably more. With any modern electronics ventilation is critical since heat is the biggest enemy of solid state electronics and microcircuits, this will be especially true with the 105 since it has dropped the cooling fan that was in the 95.

The Manual for the 105 (PDF file) has actually been available for download for quite some time from the Support page for the BDP-105 on the OPPO Digital site:

http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-105/blu-ray-BDP-105-Support.aspx

Here's what it has to say about spacing:
Quote:
To ensure proper ventilation around this product, do not place this product on a sofa, bed or rug. When installing this product on a wall or bookshelf, you need to provide appropriate space: we recommend leaving 4 inches (10 cm) of free space at the top, the sides and the rear.

In my test configuration I have the 105 placed in a wooden shelf space closed off by a door at the front and completely open in the back except for a support bar that extends down 2 inches from the top of the back opening. The player has the feet in place. There are about 2 inches clearance to either side and about 4 inches clearance above. The player is set back in far enough from the front door that the tray can be safely opened even with that door closed (something like 6 inches needed for that). That puts the rear of the player about 3 inches in from the back opening. I chose this installation specifically to see if I could generate any heat related failures, and I'm happy to say I've found no such problems.

But it is clear the player is dissipating a good amount of heat through those top vents, and so I'd be really loathe to install the player with so little as 1/2 inch clearance above it -- even when the space is open at BOTH front and back.
--Bob
post #2316 of 2827
The User's Manual for the BDP-105 on the OPPO Digital site and for the BDP-105EU on the OPPO UK site have both received updates, which appear to be just editorial adjustments.
--Bob
post #2317 of 2827
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

But it is clear the player is dissipating a good amount of heat through those top vents, and so I'd be really loathe to install the player with so little as 1/2 inch clearance above it -- even when the space is open at BOTH front and back.
Yeah 1/2 inch definitely is not even close to sufficient. The vents are there so the player can dissipate the heat it generates.
post #2318 of 2827
i just got an email that the 105 is available - ordering now...
post #2319 of 2827
I as well just got an Email from OPPO for an order YAHOO
post #2320 of 2827
Yeah it's now available. Go for it and let me know how you like.
post #2321 of 2827
Ordered! SJ
post #2322 of 2827
Quote:
Originally Posted by Basenco View Post

Yeah it's now available. Go for it and let me know how you like.


I'll be sitting out this one as well, until things settle a bit..even though it's mighty tempting.


Djoel
post #2323 of 2827
BEFORE ANYONE ASKS! The Official OPPO BDP-105 Owner's Thread won't open until these Monsters have had a chance to lumber into listeners' home theaters in sufficient quantity.

At the appropriate time, that thread will be opened by NEUROMANCER so that the first post in the thread can be reserved to collect news and links. Please don't jump the gun and try to open one yourself. (This to keep that thread starting off as a mass of "mine shipped!" and "mine's halfway here!" posts.)

Until that thread opens, all comments/questions by new owners of the BDP-105 should continue to be posted in THIS thread. If you have questions, please do start by checking the User's Manual -- available for download from the OPPO Support page:

http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-105/blu-ray-BDP-105-Support.aspx

Also, please check the first post of the 103 Owner's Thread for links to the FAQ and Wiki. There's LOTS of useful stuff in the FAQ. Checking for readily available answers this way can eliminate a lot of unnecessary traffic in this thread, and in the new Owner's Thread when it opens.

And remember, when lifting your 105, bend at the knees, not at the back.... biggrin.gif
--Bob
Edited by Bob Pariseau - 11/12/12 at 6:12pm
post #2324 of 2827
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post


On the other hand, if you want to use multi-channel digital audio from your Source, HDMI will likely be MUCH better than the Optical/Coax S/PDIF inputs. (The Asynchronous USB input is limited to Stereo LPCM.)

--Bob

Hi Bob, is your comment strictly related to hi rez formats, or are there other reasons that make the HDMI input better than the Optical/Coax S/PDIF inputs?

Thanks.
post #2325 of 2827
Quote:
Originally Posted by vlach View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post


On the other hand, if you want to use multi-channel digital audio from your Source, HDMI will likely be MUCH better than the Optical/Coax S/PDIF inputs. (The Asynchronous USB input is limited to Stereo LPCM.)

--Bob

Hi Bob, is your comment strictly related to hi rez formats, or are there other reasons that make the HDMI input better than the Optical/Coax S/PDIF inputs?

Thanks.

For lossy Bitstreams, they will be identical. (Neither form of Input on the 105 can accept lossless Bitstreams.)

For LPCM, the Optical/Coax S/PDIF Inputs are limited to 2.0 channels, and to 96KHz 24-bit. The HDMI Inputs can accept up to 5.1 LPCM at 192KHz 24-bit, and 7.1 LPCM at 96KHz 24-bit. I also suspect, but can't prove, that LPCM over the HDMI Inputs will be no more Jitter prone than the S/PDIF stereo LPCM Inputs, and may even be superior.
--Bob
post #2326 of 2827
just ordered mine too. Haha, I'm ecstatic... Seems like Xmas already!!!!smile.gif
post #2327 of 2827
ordered mine. Now to sell my 95 when I get back to FL.
post #2328 of 2827
Got my e-mail notice also, but California sales tax plus the shipping charge makes me unhappy. frown.gif

Music Direct or Crutchfield--which company will get it first and with which one is it better to deal?
post #2329 of 2827
Ordered. Can't wait.
post #2330 of 2827
Ordered. Fourth Oppo BDP in past three years.
post #2331 of 2827
Cabling...

So the 105 is on order ... and for my AVP I have an Anthem D2V.

The D2V hasn't got the HDMI upgrade which I am hoping to avoid because of the cost and because I have no interest in 3D at this time.

I also have a Sharp 70LC732. This particular display is 2D only and has rather slow video processing which means that I use a fairly significant amount of lip sync delay in the D2V.

I am curious as to what the recommended HDMI setup for this combo is going to be. Split? Or is just one cable going to work fine?
post #2332 of 2827
Ok guys I am waiting to hear how you like it please compare it to the 95 for sound quality?
post #2333 of 2827
Quote:
Originally Posted by ehlarson View Post

Cabling...

So the 105 is on order ... and for my AVP I have an Anthem D2V.

The D2V hasn't got the HDMI upgrade which I am hoping to avoid because of the cost and because I have no interest in 3D at this time.

I also have a Sharp 70LC732. This particular display is 2D only and has rather slow video processing which means that I use a fairly significant amount of lip sync delay in the D2V.

I am curious as to what the recommended HDMI setup for this combo is going to be. Split? Or is just one cable going to work fine?

I use HDMI 1 (only) through my D2v.

I think you should probably do the same. Set the D2v to 1080p output and turn off all of the so-called video "enhancements" you can in the Sharp -- i.e., use it like a "monitor" -- to get its processing time down.
--Bob
post #2334 of 2827
Quote:
Originally Posted by zindra View Post

I have a shelve which is 12cm high, open back and front. Do you please know how tall is the 105 without the big feet? If it's around 10cm and I can use smaller feet maybe I can get about 2cm clearance on top, would this be enough? I've looked at some pictures of the 105 and havent's noticed the holes on top for ventilation, maybe the pictures were of a prototype?

I use Metro open wire shelves and have never had a problem with heat with any component.

Just ordered my 105.

Now I need to see my 95!
Edited by jimshowalter - 11/12/12 at 9:06pm
post #2335 of 2827
Ordered! Trusty BDP-83 will be moving from the theater to the living room to feed the plasma. Not sure what the future holds for the Denon 3910 coming out of the living room... Been awhile since I've been this excited about a new piece of gear!
post #2336 of 2827
ordered, so RCA out to Marantz sr7007? better than HDMI?
post #2337 of 2827
It's not available on their webpage yet. Only available for limited retail sales...guess that means for people who signed up to be notified. And it won't be available for wholesalers until after Thanksgiving. Bummer.
post #2338 of 2827
^ OPPO always gives first dibs to the people who sign up on the interest list. On the other hand, it looks like more dealers are expecting to have the 105 in stock this week, which means it has to be released on OPPO's web site shortly. For example Audio Advisor:

http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=OPBDP105

Again, I'm not posting these dealers as recommendations. I have no experience with them. I'm posting them simply as additional evidence of the probable, general release date.
--Bob
Edited by Bob Pariseau - 11/13/12 at 12:09am
post #2339 of 2827
ok So RCA out is better on the 105. is there a setting where i can set audio to analogue out for cd and movies using only hdmi for audio and video?
post #2340 of 2827
Quote:
Originally Posted by speedytobey View Post

ok So RCA out is better on the 105. is there a setting where i can set audio to analogue out for cd and movies using only hdmi for audio and video?

All of the player's audio outputs are live simultaneously (with the exception of certain format licensing restrictions, such as no SACD over Optical/Coax Digital). So all you need to do is set your sound processor to whichever audio feed you want to use at the moment.

Which should make it easy for you to compare and come to your OWN conclusion which audio feed you like better.
--Bob
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Blu-ray Players
AVS › AVS Forum › Blu-ray & HD DVD › Blu-ray Players › Official OPPO BDP-103/BDP-105 Anticipation Thread