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post #2731 of 2807
1/11/13 at 11:14pm
Using the dedicated stereo output function, how does the BDP-105 player sound for 2 channel CD audio listening as compared to something like a high end Music Fidelity, Audio Note, or Marantz SA8004/SA8006 model CD players?
Edited by decooney - 1/12/13 at 2:07pm
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post #2732 of 2807
1/13/13 at 7:14pm
i am going to purchase one of these to use to view blu-rays with my Epson 6020UB projector. i have a 2.40 screen and panamorph anamorphic lens. can anyone comment on whether it's better to use the vertical stretch processing in the OPPO or use the projector to do it?
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post #2733 of 2807
1/14/13 at 12:10am
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Try both and see what gives you the best results. I have not personally used the player to stretch the image, so I do not know which will be better.
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post #2734 of 2807
1/14/13 at 12:46am
Theoretically, having the player do the vertical stretch is better than having the projector do it for SD sources, and equivalent for HD sources.

The reason it is better for SD sources, is that the vertical stretch is done as part of upscaling, and using the entire 1920x1080 output matrix provides more resolution for that scaled result -- more pixels carrying the result content. Otherwise the scaling result wastes the pixels occupying the black letter box bars top and bottom. Technically the 2.35 subset of the SD image is cropped out of the SD image and that is then scaled to the 1.78 HD output result.

For HD sources, there is no scaling -- just the stretch. The black letter box pixels are, of course, baked into the HD content to begin with. Since there is no processing going on in the image (other than the stretch itself) which might benefit from the extra result pixels, the quality of the stretch SHOULD BE the same whether it is done in the player or in the projector.

Theory notwithstanding, the best advice is always to try it both ways and see if you can SPOT a reason to prefer one method over the other.
--Bob
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post #2735 of 2807
1/14/13 at 7:52am
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Theoretically, having the player do the vertical stretch is better than having the projector do it for SD sources, and equivalent for HD sources.

The reason it is better for SD sources, is that the vertical stretch is done as part of upscaling, and using the entire 1920x1080 output matrix provides more resolution for that scaled result -- more pixels carrying the result content. Otherwise the scaling result wastes the pixels occupying the black letter box bars top and bottom. Technically the 2.35 subset of the SD image is cropped out of the SD image and that is then scaled to the 1.78 HD output result.

For HD sources, there is no scaling -- just the stretch. The black letter box pixels are, of course, baked into the HD content to begin with. Since there is no processing going on in the image (other than the stretch itself) which might benefit from the extra result pixels, the quality of the stretch SHOULD BE the same whether it is done in the player or in the projector.

Theory notwithstanding, the best advice is always to try it both ways and see if you can SPOT a reason to prefer one method over the other.
--Bob


thanks bob & neuro. i'll try both and see what happens!
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post #2736 of 2807
1/30/13 at 10:07am
I am getting my tubed Modwright 105 tomorrow. Dan can service the units he modifies and he is both professional and smart as a whip. I just hope the 105 has a better transport mechanism than my old noisy 93.
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post #2737 of 2807
1/30/13 at 2:44pm
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The BDP-105 uses a similar loader to the BDP-93, but with the thicker chassis the loader noise is pretty masked except when ejecting and closing the tray.
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post #2738 of 2807
2/4/13 at 4:44pm
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Using the dedicated stereo output function, how does the BDP-105 player sound for 2 channel CD audio listening as compared to something like a high end Music Fidelity, Audio Note, or Marantz SA8004/SA8006 model CD players?

I just received my Modwright tubed Oppo 105. Simply stated it is the best digital source I have ever heard, and this is coming from a $18,000 modded Wadia S7i and $28,000 Burmester 089.
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post #2739 of 2807
2/4/13 at 5:39pm
How much was the 105 with mods? eek.gif
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post #2740 of 2807
2/8/13 at 9:35am
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I just received my Modwright tubed Oppo 105. Simply stated it is the best digital source I have ever heard, and this is coming from a $18,000 modded Wadia S7i and $28,000 Burmester 089.

Glad to hear your satisfaction with your modded BDP-105.smile.gif Sometimes paying more doesn't mean you get more it just means you paid more.biggrin.gif

Did you listen to the player before the mod? If so, what differences are you hearing?
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post #2741 of 2807
2/10/13 at 12:09am
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Originally Posted by Talk2Me View Post

I just received my Modwright tubed Oppo 105. Simply stated it is the best digital source I have ever heard, and this is coming from a $18,000 modded Wadia S7i and $28,000 Burmester 089.

Glad to hear your satisfaction with your modded BDP-105.smile.gif Sometimes paying more doesn't mean you get more it just means you paid more.biggrin.gif

Did you listen to the player before the mod? If so, what differences are you hearing?

 

Interesting comments bakerwi ... have you read your sig recentlytongue.gif?

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post #2742 of 2807
2/10/13 at 8:57am
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Interesting comments bakerwi ... have you read your sig recently:p ?

Yes I have read my sig recently, but I am always intrigued (for use of a better word) by what people hear before and after a mod.smile.gif

Also, I do subscribe to my comments in my sig. I only trust my eyes and ears and not the power of suggestion, but this doesn’t preclude me from asking the question.biggrin.gif
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post #2743 of 2807
2/16/13 at 1:09am
Looks like both the 103 and 105 are great players from Oppo as per usual, but sadly, I will no way no how support or buy a player that has the Cinavia infection on it. I am against technology that works against users, and I wish more people would be.

Just my opinion.
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post #2744 of 2807
2/16/13 at 3:20am
Sorry
What is cinavia infection ?
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post #2745 of 2807
2/16/13 at 4:57am
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Sorry
What is cinavia infection ?

A copy protection scheme: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinavia

All new players are required to have it, so it makes no sense to single out OPPO players for criticism.

-Bill
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post #2746 of 2807
2/16/13 at 5:55am
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A copy protection scheme: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinavia

All new players are required to have it, so it makes no sense to single out OPPO players for criticism.

-Bill

Especially since its use seems to be limited to one studio -- Sony/Columbia.
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post #2747 of 2807
2/16/13 at 7:45am
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A copy protection scheme: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinavia

All new players are required to have it, so it makes no sense to single out OPPO players for criticism.

-Bill

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Especially since its use seems to be limited to one studio -- Sony/Columbia.

And especially since there is a easy work-around for anyone who has the capability to rip to MKV/M2TS. And, Cinavia only affects ripped content. Cinavia is no more than an inconvenience, contrary to the many interweb proclamations that its the end of the world.
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post #2748 of 2807
2/16/13 at 12:02pm
I got a question ,I bought an OPPO bdp-95 to avoid Cinavia, I have not updated it ,I should leave alone to avoid getting stripped of some of the unique features ,I purchased it for, or is their any particular update needed that bad for improvements, they are on sale at Crutchfield. Any advice.
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post #2749 of 2807
2/16/13 at 12:17pm
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I got a question ,I bought an OPPO bdp-95 to avoid Cinavia, I have not updated it ,I should leave alone to avoid getting stripped of some of the unique features ,I purchased it for, or is their any particular update needed that bad for improvements, they are on sale at Crutchfield. Any advice.

Look at the first posting the BDP-93 thread: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1291855/official-oppo-bdp-93-owners-thread

This has a detailed history of firmware updates and you can see if there is anything added or fixed after the firmware you have.

The BDP-93 and -95 use the same firmware.

-Bill
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post #2750 of 2807
2/16/13 at 8:16pm
Has anyone noticed RF interference, particularly when playing a BD to be an issue with the Oppo BDP 105? Especially with a Roku stick plugged in?

The reason that I ask this is that I use a URC RF/IR (MRF 260) repeater in my equipment rack to control my prepro, Oppo, cable box etc.

I have the repeater sitting on top of the BDP-105. Prior to purchasing the 105 I had it sitting on a BDP-83.

I never had a problem with this setup with the BDP-83. However with the BDP-105 I've been having problems with RF interference making it impossible to control my system with an RF remote while playing BD disks. It may even be related to which audio codec is in play although that's just a guess right now.

The MRF 260 has a control light that illuminates when it is receiving RF. When I'm having issues controlling my equipment the control light is on continuously.

I've had some (but not 100% success) moving the receiver to another location in the rack.

I'm wondering if this is known behavior or if I have some other issue (player? cabling?) that is known to cause this situation.
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post #2751 of 2807
2/17/13 at 11:27am
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And especially since there is a easy work-around for anyone who has the capability to rip to MKV/M2TS.

There is no known method to avoid Cinavia detection on affected players. The watermark is present in the entire analog audio spectrum. Play a MKV on an affected player, and it will trigger it.

If you think you know otherwise, you will need to provide a link that proves your claim.
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post #2752 of 2807
2/17/13 at 11:37am
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Originally Posted by misterSAX View Post

Sorry
What is cinavia infection ?

It's software that's forced by studios on player manufacturers (by AACS licensing) that prevents users from playing content that was originally on some commercial Blu-Ray's or DVD's. That means it won't play backed up copies of discs, nor will it play individual movie files on a hard disk or server media library if they were made from the original disc. In other words, it's like getting a malware infection on your computer that stops your computer from working properly.

The Wikipedia link posted above has all the details, although some users have been inserting a lot of technical jargon. You should still get the idea though if you at least read the summaries and such.

Yes, Oppo has no choice, all manufacturers have to do this if they want their players to play commercial Blu-Ray discs. My post was not meant as a criticism at Oppo specifically. I personally feel they are the most consumer friendly company around and they make some of the best players, and I feel REALLY bad for them that they have to be forced into this "make the technology work against the users" kind of scheme. I'm sure they are equally upset about it.
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post #2753 of 2807
2/17/13 at 12:10pm
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There is no known method to avoid Cinavia detection on affected players. The watermark is present in the entire analog audio spectrum. Play a MKV on an affected player, and it will trigger it.

If you think you know otherwise, you will need to provide a link that proves your claim.
At this time, Cinavia is not detected when playing MKV and other media files on the Oppo. So ripping to MKV is a workaround, at least for now.. It's only detected when playing BDMV folders or shiny disc copies.
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It's software that's forced by studios on player manufacturers (by AACS licensing) that prevents users from playing content that was originally on some commercial Blu-Ray's or DVD's. That means it won't play backed up copies of discs, nor will it play individual movie files on a hard disk or server media library if they were made from the original disc. In other words, it's like getting a malware infection on your computer that stops your computer from working properly.
Comparing Cinavia to malware or viruses is nonsense. It's a copy protection scheme designed to protect the studio's copyright, and that's it. Calling something a virus or malware implies a very different intent. Cinavia is inconvenient and something I'm certainly not thrilled about, but let's not resort to hyperbole and misinformation when discussing the topic. It's no different from the other copy protection schemes that AnyDVD HD and DVD Fab have managed to crack other than nobody has figured out a way to crack it yet.
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post #2754 of 2807
2/17/13 at 12:34pm
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At this time, Cinavia is not detected when playing MKV and other media files on the Oppo. So ripping to MKV is a workaround, at least for now.. It's only detected when playing BDMV folders or shiny disc copies.
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Same is true for most Mediatek based players, including Sony. There are other work-arounds as well, which are easy enough to find for anyone who cares to look.
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post #2755 of 2807
2/18/13 at 12:48am
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At this time, Cinavia is not detected when playing MKV and other media files on the Oppo. So ripping to MKV is a workaround, at least for now.. It's only detected when playing BDMV folders or shiny disc copies.

And you can bet with 100% certainty that will be patched in a firmware update. The studios demanded Oppo remove ISO file support from the 93 and 95, even though there is nothing in AACS licensing that forbids it. And yet they somehow were able to make Oppo do it.

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Comparing Cinavia to malware or viruses is nonsense.

I respect your opinion, but my opinion is that software that makes your equipment not work the way you want is malware, pure and simple. No, it's not a virus, as it doesn't replicate itself. But it is a form of malware. IMHO. Just because a studio uses it instead of some hacker/cracker doesn't make it legit software that you as a user would want on YOUR equipment that YOU paid for.
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post #2756 of 2807
2/18/13 at 9:24am
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Has anyone noticed RF interference, particularly when playing a BD to be an issue with the Oppo BDP 105? Especially with a Roku stick plugged in?

The reason that I ask this is that I use a URC RF/IR (MRF 260) repeater in my equipment rack to control my prepro, Oppo, cable box etc.

I have the repeater sitting on top of the BDP-105. Prior to purchasing the 105 I had it sitting on a BDP-83.

I never had a problem with this setup with the BDP-83. However with the BDP-105 I've been having problems with RF interference making it impossible to control my system with an RF remote while playing BD disks. It may even be related to which audio codec is in play although that's just a guess right now.

The MRF 260 has a control light that illuminates when it is receiving RF. When I'm having issues controlling my equipment the control light is on continuously.

I've had some (but not 100% success) moving the receiver to another location in the rack.

I'm wondering if this is known behavior or if I have some other issue (player? cabling?) that is known to cause this situation.

I've not seen any other reports here of problems like that. Basically you are concerned that the 105 is EMITTING RF and thus preventing proper operation of your RF repeater, right? It would be pretty tough for the 105 to pass FCC Class B and still have that happen.

I suggest you try the following. Disconnect EVERYTHING from the 105 except for the OPPO provided power cord. See if the problem still occurs. If not, reconnect cables one at a time to the OPPO to see when the problem appears. You may have a cable with faulty cable shielding. Consider using cables with RF chokes (those odd cylindrical lumps) near the plug ends.

The Wifi dongle and the ROKU Streaming Stick of course both emit Wifi radio signals in the 2.4GHz band. The Ethernet you were using with the 83 wouldn't do that. It's possible your RF repeater is sensitive to 2.4GHz RF energy. If that's the case -- i.e., if it is messing up because you have it sitting too close to the Wifi sticks -- then your only recourse may be to reposition it or to replace it with a repeater that's less sensitive to that.
--Bob
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post #2757 of 2807
2/18/13 at 9:40am
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Originally Posted by ehlarson View Post

Has anyone noticed RF interference, particularly when playing a BD to be an issue with the Oppo BDP 105? Especially with a Roku stick plugged in?

The reason that I ask this is that I use a URC RF/IR (MRF 260) repeater in my equipment rack to control my prepro, Oppo, cable box etc.

I have the repeater sitting on top of the BDP-105. Prior to purchasing the 105 I had it sitting on a BDP-83.

I never had a problem with this setup with the BDP-83. However with the BDP-105 I've been having problems with RF interference making it impossible to control my system with an RF remote while playing BD disks. It may even be related to which audio codec is in play although that's just a guess right now.

The MRF 260 has a control light that illuminates when it is receiving RF. When I'm having issues controlling my equipment the control light is on continuously.

I've had some (but not 100% success) moving the receiver to another location in the rack.

I'm wondering if this is known behavior or if I have some other issue (player? cabling?) that is known to cause this situation.

I spoke to someone at Oppo regarding this issue when I was at their office about a month ago (picking up my repaired BDP-83). Apparently the Roku stick has issues and this is audible through the headphone output (which is how I discovered the issue). His solution was to use an HDMI extender cable and plug the Roku into that. I was unable to hear the RF issue through the RCA or XLR outputs. The rep said the next Oppo unit will move the MHL/HDMI input to the rear and isolate it. From a usability perspective I prefer the MHL port on the rear anyway. For now I just unplug the Roku stick when I'm not using it until I have a moment to purchase the HDMI extender cable.
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2/18/13 at 10:07am
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I spoke to someone at Oppo regarding this issue when I was at their office about a month ago (picking up my repaired BDP-83). Apparently the Roku stick has issues and this is audible through the headphone output (which is how I discovered the issue). His solution was to use an HDMI extender cable and plug the Roku into that. I was unable to hear the RF issue through the RCA or XLR outputs. The rep said the next Oppo unit will move the MHL/HDMI input to the rear and isolate it. From a usability perspective I prefer the MHL port on the rear anyway. For now I just unplug the Roku stick when I'm not using it until I have a moment to purchase the HDMI extender cable.

This is an interesting comment. Personally I do a lot of testing with the ROKU Streaming Stick left plugged in (using a vertical angle adapter so that it pokes straight up instead of straight out), and I've heard no issues on the Headphone jack.
--Bob
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post #2759 of 2807
2/18/13 at 10:31am
Bob,
Perhaps the vertical adapter is enough of an improvement noise-wise. Maybe you could try without any adapter and a sensitive set of cans (I used the Denon D7000 when I discovered this issue). The noise is not very obtrusive but was clearly audible in quiet passages. This was when playing files via the USB DAC while the stick was plugged in. I have not performed elaborate testing with a wide variety of inputs. In any case, I like your idea of using a vertical adapter even better than an extending cable. Can you provide a model for the adapter you use? That would be appreciated.
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2/18/13 at 10:51am
^ I don't have a model number since it was provided by OPPO for Beta Testing purposes, but it came from Monoprice and it is HDMI and MHL compatible with a black shell and gold colored HDMI connections. There can't be many of those on their site.

I'm using Sennheiser HD 650 cans for testing.

I suppose I should also mention that the ROKU Stick I've got is a pre-release, testing unit. It is conceivable that it is different from the production sticks, although I would expect the pre-release version to have MORE problems if anything.
--Bob
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