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post #31 of 2827
Thread Starter 
The players are stacked in the photos with the BDP-103 on the bottom.
post #32 of 2827
^so it's only a front view.
post #33 of 2827
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

Players will continue to be Universal, so DVD-Audio is definitely still supported.
No pricing for either player, but I would not be surprised if the BDP-105 is more expensive than the BDP-95 as there is more inherent hardware costs for the larger construction (3U versus 2U height), headphone amp, and input DAC.

WOE that's Denon 5910 big eek.gif, darn thing looks like a flagship AVR..


Djoel
post #34 of 2827
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Properly oriented XLR outputs

This made me chuckle. What is a properly oriented XLR vs a not properly oriented one? wink.gif

Do they mean balanced?
post #35 of 2827
Thread Starter 
The previous player had a board mounted upside down, so the XLR outputs were upside down.
post #36 of 2827
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

The previous player had a board mounted upside down, so the XLR outputs were upside down.

Ah!
post #37 of 2827
Does a larger display mean more info? Would I finally be able to navigate an SACD just using the display? I'd also like to be able to switch layers on the fly without going into the menu.
post #38 of 2827
Thread Starter 
Unfortunately you will still need a display for navigating any OSD or displaying album information.
Edited by Neuromancer - 9/7/12 at 3:22pm
post #39 of 2827
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Originally Posted by cglenn View Post

I don't think there is an image of the back of the 103.
i don't think so either. in any of the pics where you can make out two players, the 103 is the one on the bottom. you can also distinguish by the profile - the 105 sits a bit taller than the 103. i don't think they would do away with the 7.1 analog for the 103 since the 93 has it, but then again, i'm no expert.
post #40 of 2827
If this has NO analog video outputs at all, then there needs to be an INTERNAL closed-caption decoder! Many DVDs have only TV-decoded closed-captions and no subtitles- my BDP-93 is hooked up both with HDMI and component so I can switch to that when I want to access the captions. Computer DVD players have caption decoders so it shouldn't be too hard to include one in a player!
post #41 of 2827
With the USB DAC you can plug laptop directly to the Oppo?
post #42 of 2827
*Sigh* Oppo tells us for over a year that Netflix isn't interested in offering us 93/95 users an update to our netflix app. Then this new player come along, and lo and behold there is a new netflix app with 5.1/1080p support. I just hope oppo has the decency to migrate the new app over to the 93/95 models. The netflix app on the current models is such crap.
post #43 of 2827
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Originally Posted by Jottle View Post

*Sigh* Oppo tells us for over a year that Netflix isn't interested in offering us 93/95 users an update to our netflix app. Then this new player come along, and lo and behold there is a new netflix app with 5.1/1080p support. I just hope oppo has the decency to migrate the new app over to the 93/95 models. The netflix app on the current models is such crap.
"Sigh." We still don't know if Netflix will allow that migration because we don't know how OPPO gained access to the higher version of the Netflix software for their new models..

I doubt very much that OPPO would decline upgrading the Netflix software for the 93/95 players just to boost sales of the new models.
post #44 of 2827
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Originally Posted by Jottle View Post

*Sigh* Oppo tells us for over a year that Netflix isn't interested in offering us 93/95 users an update to our netflix app. Then this new player come along, and lo and behold there is a new netflix app with 5.1/1080p support. I just hope oppo has the decency to migrate the new app over to the 93/95 models. The netflix app on the current models is such crap.

It remains the case that Netflix is not interested in offering their new app on the older players. There's nothing that OPPO can do without Netflix changing their mind. Complaints to Netflix please. It's obviously not a technical issue in the players since the VUDU app in the 93 and 95 already does the same sort of things the updated Netflix app does.
--Bob
post #45 of 2827
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Originally Posted by Lotus00 View Post

With the USB DAC you can plug laptop directly to the Oppo?
Yes. BDP-105 only.
--Bob
post #46 of 2827
Please try to keep on topic folks. 103 / 105 Anticipation rather than requests for additional 93 / 95 updates to make them more like the 103 / 105. Use the 93 / 95 threads for those.
--Bob
post #47 of 2827
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Yes. BDP-105 only.
--Bob

that's great news. HDMI direct connection from computer would be nice too.
post #48 of 2827
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

We might as well get this out of the way right off the bat. Both players are subject to Blu-ray licensing rules applicable to Stand-alone Player designs launched late in 2012.
That means no Analog video output (no Component video jacks) and inclusion of Cinavia anti-copy detection. Wikipedia has a write up on Cinavia for folks wanting to know the gory details. The short version is that it will be harder/impossible to play unauthorized copies of theatrical movie releases or commercial Blu-ray discs. The detection and playback prevention happens some minutes after a copy begins to play -- which sounds a bit sadistic, but there it is. OPPO has no control over how/when Cinavia works.
--Bob

Bob,
Have you or any of the beta testers come across any BD movies that were ripped that now will not play because of Cinavia?

I see a lot of sony owned BD movies already have this feature embedded in them. I also came across a site that has a list of players that are Cinavia capable and the OPPO BD 83 and 93 are on the list. Is this accurate? Even my Pioneer BDP 320 is on the list.
http://www.afterdawn.com/guides/archive/cinavia_faq.cfm

Explanation of Cinavia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinavia

Also, other than the Roku streaming stick what would be the purpose for two HDMI inputs?

I kind of was hoping for something more grandiose in the new OPPO player
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1291855/official-oppo-bdp-93-owners-thread/22800#post_22378699
I think I shot myself in my own foot as my expectations were a bit to high as the new features is not what I hoped for, but if I need a replacement for my BDP 83 or an additional player I will not hesitate to purchase the BDP 103.
post #49 of 2827
The BDP-83 --> 93 upgrade was compelling....this one not so much.
post #50 of 2827
I cancelled my netflix acct a while ago. I use Vudu sometimes but many of their titles are just for sale only. I am not inetrested in using that service for buying dvd's but for watching movies on demand.

Also this new player needs to have seemless playback of Flac. Essential.
post #51 of 2827
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Originally Posted by Jed1 View Post

Bob,
Have you or any of the beta testers come across any BD movies that were ripped that now will not play because of Cinavia?

I see a lot of sony owned BD movies already have this feature embedded in them. I also came across a site that has a list of players that are Cinavia capable and the OPPO BD 83 and 93 are on the list. Is this accurate? Even my Pioneer BDP 320 is on the list.
http://www.afterdawn.com/guides/archive/cinavia_faq.cfm

Explanation of Cinavia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinavia

Also, other than the Roku streaming stick what would be the purpose for two HDMI inputs?

I kind of was hoping for something more grandiose in the new OPPO player
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1291855/official-oppo-bdp-93-owners-thread/22800#post_22378699
I think I shot myself in my own foot as my expectations were a bit to high as the new features is not what I hoped for, but if I need a replacement for my BDP 83 or an additional player I will not hesitate to purchase the BDP 103.

The BDP-83, 93, and 95 do not implement Cinavia and OPPO has stated they never will. They are old enough that they are grandfathered in before the new licensing restriction came into effect.

The 103 and 105 DO implement Cinavia as all newly released, stand-alone Blu-ray players are required to do by the Blu-ray licensing. In Beta Testing we've confirmed that the Cinavia restrictions function as they are required to do. You can expect that more and more commercial releases will come with Cinavia "watermarking" embedded. As is usual with such stuff, there are undoubtedly people out there trying to figure out convenient ways to get around the restrictions. Time will tell.

The HDMI inputs can be used to pass other HDMI source devices through the player -- for example a TV set top box. I can think of a variety of situations where an owner might want to do that, but we'll just have to see, as time goes on, the clever uses people come up with for this new capability.

I think one thing that's hard to tell from the photos and brief highlights of the player features posted so far is that the players have more powerful processing. They are FASTER. This alone will be a big deal to some folks. It's hard to gauge how enticing these will be for upgraders until the full set of specs come out and some usage reports start getting posted.
--Bob
Edited by Bob Pariseau - 9/7/12 at 3:55pm
post #52 of 2827
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Originally Posted by classicrecording View Post

It's the digital input that makes it for me. If I can plug my TV directly into this and get OTA 5.1 playback without a pre-amp. I am buying it!

Sorry to burst your bubble but the digital inputs will only get you stereo. It's no processor, think of it as a 2-channel DAC.

The biggest question for me and many others around the world will be the multi-region modding possibilities. I think I'll be sticking to my 95 for a while yet.
post #53 of 2827
^ There are also two HDMI Inputs -- one on the front which is also MHL capable and one on the rear.
--Bob
post #54 of 2827
Meh..unless something really compelling comes along with firmware, I may sit this one out.

It almost seems Oppo felt compelled to bring a new player to the market because it's been 2 years since the 93 was released.

If the firmware features gapless playback, I may change my mind.
post #55 of 2827
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Originally Posted by scanspeak View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by classicrecording View Post

It's the digital input that makes it for me. If I can plug my TV directly into this and get OTA 5.1 playback without a pre-amp. I am buying it!

Sorry to burst your bubble but the digital inputs will only get you stereo. It's no processor, think of it as a 2-channel DAC.
. . . .

I can't post details just yet (see post #18 above) but your assumption here is not correct.
--Bob
post #56 of 2827
Bob, if you are right then they will definitely be on a winner!
post #57 of 2827
If you connect laptop via DAC USB then you can use a media software that plays flac files etc seamlessly or would the Oppo take over and you would use it the way we do now when connecting and external hard drive navigating menus on tv? If you cannot use the software on computer to play flac seamlessly and to play through the Oppo to utilize the dacs, then I still see myself moving more towards plugging computer via USB or HDMI to my AVR (has good dacs and asynchronous 32 bit usb). Bit if it plays seamlessly then either way is fine.

Via HDMI to AVR I can use VLC or media monkey to play seamlessly. I still have to confirm if I will also be able to do that via USB. Oppo just needs to include this especially if they are interested in making this more of a media hub type box. I am not converting thousands of flac files to wav so they play seamlessly. That is unrealstic and inconvenient despite the immense extra storage capacity required for large wav files. I am also not burning them all to a CD/DVD. Flac is most popular lossless storage format. All of my music is stored in flac and cd's are backed up in flac as well. That's just the way it is.

Hoping for the best...
Edited by Lotus00 - 9/7/12 at 5:14pm
post #58 of 2827
No mention of network / IP control for either unit, might it be there?
post #59 of 2827
Can anyone confirm if the BDP-105 enclosure is the same physical size as that of the BDP-95?
It would be great to be able to replace the 95 cover with a properly ventilated version (which would probably be enough to prevent the fan from coming on).
post #60 of 2827
My curiosity lies in what DACs the new 105 will utilize. The 83SE used sabre 9016s and the 95 utilized sabre9018s which was a modest improvement. Since it's obvious that Oppo is continuing the trend of offering top notch DACs in their flagship player as witnessed by the dedicated balanced and unbalanced analog outputs, is there much to be improved upon the 95?
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