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post #511 of 2807
9/20/12 at 12:14am
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Originally Posted by tkbryant View Post

That 105 is a beast of a machine!! Can't wait to hear the final specs. I take it beta users have these in hands?

The reaction from the first Beta Tester to unbox and set up a 105 test unit was an astounded, "WHAT A MONSTER!" (And I assure you, he wasn't just referring to its impressive physical size and heft.)

And so, in Beta Test Club, the 105 is now formally, and affectionately, The Monster!
--Bob
Edited by Bob Pariseau - 9/20/12 at 1:52am
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post #512 of 2807
9/20/12 at 12:22am
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Originally Posted by sdrucker View Post

As I said earlier, $499 for richer video processing, slightly updated streaming capabilities, 2D->3D conversion, and MHL may be a better option than replacing my Denon laterally for almost $2500. The other Denon 4520 flagship's newer 'features' are either curiousities (multi-zone HDMI, matrix switching) or nice but not essentials (Audyssey LFC and "bass sync'). If I upgrade anything, it might be the video side when 4K displays/content are worth it. But that assumes that the 4K processing on the 103 will actually be useful at some unknown point in the future.

The hidden gem in these players is their speed. In its day, the 83 was considered a "fast" player. Remember 4 minute boot up times and 5 minute disc loading times from early Blu-ray players?

But folks coming to the 103/105 from even, say, an 83 are going to be delighted with the performance of these new players.
--Bob
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post #513 of 2807
9/20/12 at 12:32am
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Originally Posted by cglenn View Post

What is the DAC in the 103? I read the 105 will have dual Sabre32 DACs.

As I could see in the published pictures of the 103 board, the DAC it seems not be the Sabre32. Zooming that picture do not reveal something like ESS marking on that DAC chip... About the DAC chip is not mention in the specification of the player ether...
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post #514 of 2807
9/20/12 at 12:33am
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

The reaction from the first Beta Tester to unbox and set up a 105 test unit was an astounded, "WHAT A MONSTER!" (And I assure, he wasn't just referring to its impressive physical size and heft.)
And so, in Beta Test Club, the 105 is now formally, and affectionately, The Monster!
--Bob

That's the hint I've been waiting for "Monster" Thanks bob;)
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post #515 of 2807
9/20/12 at 1:13am
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Originally Posted by subavision212 View Post

That's me. Have the 83 (which still works flawlessly and will now be used with my Panasonic 55ST50 in yhe living room) and the feature set on the 103 is exactly what I'm looking for. I'm hoping this player will be my last so being 4K ready is great and even though I have a Roku for streaming in my HT, no VUDU, so that is even better. Already signed up for notification.
My understanding is that the new OPPO players will NOT play 4K source material when it arrives. What they can do is convert other resolutions like 1080p to 4K.

If you are planing on picking up a Sony 4k projector, it will to the conversion for you. At $25,000 it should. eek.gif
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post #516 of 2807
9/20/12 at 1:16am
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

The hidden gem in these players is their speed. In its day, the 83 was considered a "fast" player. Remember 4 minute boot up times and 5 minute disc loading times from early Blu-ray players?
But folks coming to the 103/105 from even, say, an 83 are going to be delighted with the performance of these new players.
--Bob

What about folks coming from a 93?
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post #517 of 2807
9/20/12 at 1:29am
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

The hidden gem in these players is their speed. In its day, the 83 was considered a "fast" player. Remember 4 minute boot up times and 5 minute disc loading times from early Blu-ray players?
But folks coming to the 103/105 from even, say, an 83 are going to be delighted with the performance of these new players.
--Bob

What about folks coming from a 93?

My personal opinion is that the 103/105 represent a significant performance improvement even compared to the 93/95, but I imagine there will be some users out there who disagree because they are more sensitive to different ASPECTS of performance than I am. I doubt there will be ANY 83 owners who feel that way.

But for example, the YouTube app in the 103/105 operates at a speed you would likely expect. It is no longer sluggish. Going back to the 93 to test it (as has been necessary recently due to a bug fix being worked on) was pretty painful.

And in a recent test, I timed a power up for the new players -- i.e., from pressing the power button to Home Menu becoming stable on the HDMI 1 output -- as 7 seconds. Put it this way, if you power up using Tray Open, the player will be fully powered up before you have time to stick your disc in the tray.
--Bob
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post #518 of 2807
9/20/12 at 1:34am
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

My personal opinion is that the 103/105 represent a significant performance improvement even compared to the 93/95, but I imagine there will be some users out there who disagree because they are more sensitive to different ASPECTS of performance than I am. I doubt there will be ANY 83 owners who feel that way.
But for example, the YouTube app in the 103/105 operates at a speed you would likely expect. It is no longer sluggish. Going back to the 93 to test it (as has been necessary recently due to a bug fix being worked on) was pretty painful.
And in a recent test, I timed a power up for the new players -- i.e., from pressing the power button to Home Menu becoming stable on the HDMI 1 output -- as 7 seconds. Put it this way, if you power up using Tray Open, the player will be fully powered up before you have time to stick your disc in the tray.
--Bob

Hopefully the Vudu app speed has increased as well??
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post #519 of 2807
9/20/12 at 1:44am
There are a couple other aspects of player capability that I think I'm free to disclose at this point.

First, the loader in the new players represents yet another step up in its ability to deal with damaged discs. The loader in the 93/95 was able to handle discs the 83 could not read, and was better at recovering from recoverable disc read problems than the 83 for discs both players could handle via read/recovery.

The 103/105 are even better than the 93/95 in this regard. I have some damaged discs that I use in testing which the 83 simply can not read. At all. The 93 can read them with pauses/skips while it does recovery retry. The new players just read the dang discs as if they were fresh out of the shrink wrap! Now, let's be reasonable here. There will be types of disc damage that even the new players can't read through. The nature of problem discs will also vary according to the type of disc, e.g., CD vs. SD-DVD vs. Blu-ray. But I was shocked to discover how easy it was to spot the new players doing better with damaged discs than the 93/95, even given the improvement already present in the 93/95 over the 83.

The other item that I feel I can mention at this point is that the new players have now dethroned the 83 as my "Reference Player" for upscaled SD-DVD movies. There are still a few things the 83 does better (the range of odd-ball SD-DVD authoring out there being beyond rational comprehension), but for most of my SD-DVD movie viewing, I now prefer the new players. And I'm hopeful that additional improvements are still in the cards, as this stuff is still being tweaked.
--Bob
Edited by Bob Pariseau - 9/20/12 at 1:58am
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post #520 of 2807
9/20/12 at 1:47am
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Originally Posted by tkbryant View Post

Hopefully the Vudu app speed has increased as well??

VUDU wasn't so obviously sluggish on the 93/95 as YouTube, so the relative comparison is not nearly as stark. But yes, VUDU, too, is faster.

I should also add that these new players just love being connected to high speed networking -- either by Ethernet or 802.11n Wifi.
--Bob
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post #521 of 2807
9/20/12 at 2:39am
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

There are a couple other aspects of player capability that I think I'm free to disclose at this point.
First, the loader in the new players represents yet another step up in its ability to deal with damaged discs. The loader in the 93/95 was able to handle discs the 83 could not read, and was better at recovering from recoverable disc read problems than the 83 for discs both players could handle via read/recovery.
The 103/105 are even better than the 93/95 in this regard. I have some damaged discs that I use in testing which the 83 simply can not read. At all. The 93 can read them with pauses/skips while it does recovery retry. The new players just read the dang discs as if they were fresh out of the shrink wrap! Now, let's be reasonable here. There will be types of disc damage that even the new players can't read through. The nature of problem discs will also vary according to the type of disc, e.g., CD vs. SD-DVD vs. Blu-ray. But I was shocked to discover how easy it was to spot the new players doing better with damaged discs than the 93/95, even given the improvement already present in the 93/95 over the 83.
The other item that I feel I can mention at this point is that the new players have now dethroned the 83 as my "Reference Player" for upscaled SD-DVD movies. There are still a few things the 83 does better (the range of odd-ball SD-DVD authoring out there being beyond rational comprehension), but for most of my SD-DVD movie viewing, I now prefer the new players. And I'm hopeful that additional improvements are still in the cards, as this stuff is still being tweaked.
--Bob

It appears from the specs that the video processor is the same. The 93/95 says Kyoto-G2 with second gen qdeo processing the 103/105 says the same thing but latest gen qdeo processing. The linked spec brochure says all the same stuff for 93/95 as 103105, so what's the difference? DVD upconversion is the one real disappointment with the 93/95, I see nothing in specs anyway to tell me the 103/105 will be any better. I've long lamented getting rid of my 83.
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post #522 of 2807
9/20/12 at 2:42am
Any beta testers out there with a set of high end headphones that can comment to the quality of the headphone amp in the 105?
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post #523 of 2807
9/20/12 at 2:53am
You can now register on Oppo's website to be notified when the BDP-105 will become available: http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-105/.
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post #524 of 2807
9/20/12 at 3:10am
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Originally Posted by glangford View Post

It appears from the specs that the video processor is the same. The 93/95 says Kyoto-G2 with second gen qdeo processing the 103/105 says the same thing but latest gen qdeo processing. The linked spec brochure says all the same stuff for 93/95 as 103105, so what's the difference? DVD upconversion is the one real disappointment with the 93/95, I see nothing in specs anyway to tell me the 103/105 will be any better. I've long lamented getting rid of my 83.

The difference is a couple things: Firmware improvements in how the processors are utilized, and, evidently, a better architecture for how the pieces of the video chain work together. (The Marvell stuff *IS* actually newer than what's in the 93/95, but I don't know that the differences are important to this result.)

Since I don't really know the technical details of HOW they pulled it off, I'll just have to call it "magic".

I've always enjoyed a good magic trick!

As always, keep in mind that there are significant Subjective elements to this stuff. Your mileage may vary, etc., etc.
--Bob
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post #525 of 2807
9/20/12 at 3:14am
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Originally Posted by glangford View Post

Any beta testers out there with a set of high end headphones that can comment to the quality of the headphone amp in the 105?

We'll have to hold off on discussing performance of the 105 until OPPO goes public with its specs.
--Bob
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post #526 of 2807
9/20/12 at 3:42am
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Given that neither of the new players has a display so you can view files for streaming, what small LCD monitor are people using that they can attach to one of the Oppo's HDMI outputs?

A 15" Coby screen I paid 89 bucks for it from New Egg, that I'm using with my 95..I originally purchased when I owned a Pioneer 60" Kuro, now I don't really care so much on my current PDP..

DJoel

Thanks for the tip. I see that it has an HDCP compliant HDMI connection and been as low as $69 on amazon in just the past four months. Crappy reviews though mostly due to its speakers which, of course, won't be used in this instance.
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post #527 of 2807
9/20/12 at 4:13am
Regarding the 105.... does the digital input eliminate the need for a dedicated surround preamp?
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post #528 of 2807
9/20/12 at 4:21am
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

I think you'll find us better at answering WHAT does it do, and HOW do I use it, than WHY does it do it that way, or WHEN will it change.
If you want to get high bit rate audio into either of the HDMI inputs on the 103, plan on using multi-channel LPCM.
--Bob

Understood Bob...Unfortunately LPCM won't work in my situation. I guess I need to give up on BD ISOs and just spin the shiny discs or rip to something the Oppo can chew on. Maybe it's time I bite the bullet and update the old D2. eek.gif
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post #529 of 2807
9/20/12 at 5:37am
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I guess I need to give up on BD ISOs and just spin the shiny discs or rip to something the Oppo can chew on.

Is there something wrong with BDMV folders?
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post #530 of 2807
9/20/12 at 5:42am
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

My understanding is that the new OPPO players will NOT play 4K source material when it arrives.

There's no such thing as 4K video on shiny discs, so I'm not sure what "arrival" you're waiting for. But whatever format it might take, a completely new generation of players will be needed to play it. BD technology as we know it can't support 4K.
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post #531 of 2807
9/20/12 at 5:46am
Looks like Engadget got some news from Oppo:

http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/20/oppo-continues-its-legacy-with-two-new-top-end-blu-ray-players/
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post #532 of 2807
9/20/12 at 5:53am
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

... Firmware improvements in how the processors are utilized, and, evidently, a better architecture for how the pieces of the video chain work together.
Would these improvements by any chance eliminate the extra HDMI handshakes that previous Oppo players seem to suffer from between trailers/menu and main movie, even when the HDMI output is set to a fixed format? (It seems like these shoud be avoidable because the output is fixed, while any format used internally between the decoder and Qdeo is already known to be supported and shouldn't require a full handshake.)
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post #533 of 2807
9/20/12 at 6:00am
^ There has to be a handshake because copy protection has to be re-established to take into account the different content format. Essentially, a new file is being played at each of those transitions so things start over.

You can't avoid the handshake because the copy protection stuff is finicky by design. It likes to fail. All you can do is try to make the handshake go as quickly as possible and with the user not actually forced to watch the sausage being made.
--Bob
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post #534 of 2807
9/20/12 at 6:22am
In my never-ending quest to achieve gapless playback, is it possible that the SMB/CIFS Access could allow the Oppo to read a cue sheet with track points? Assuming there are hardware limitations that prevent gapless playback directly, maybe there could be some ability to recognize a .cue file and have gapless playback through a software solution via a cue sheet? I believe this is how some Dune players achieve gapless playback.
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post #535 of 2807
9/20/12 at 6:37am
Nt that familiar with what MHL provides/allows. Will a roku stick in the front hdmi input have its 'stuff' integrated into the oppo's menus? Or will we have to select the input on the oppo, and up pops the roku interface instead of the oppo's?

I ask bc I like amazon in addition to NFLX and vudu and would prefer it to be as integrated an experience as possible.

TIA.
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post #536 of 2807
9/20/12 at 6:41am
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

The 105 is designed for rack mount installation in a standard 18 inch rack. It stands 2.5 Rack Units tall, which means you will need to set aside a 3U height space in a rack for it. That makes it just a hair under 5 inches tall including the feet (which insure air space underneath) but not including air space above for ventilation. It is 12 inches deep, not counting space in front for the Tray to open, nor space in the rear for plugs in sockets and cable drape. If you have sticks in the front or rear sockets you will need to allow depth for them as well.
I don't know the answer to your VEVO question.
--Bob

Do you know if it comes with rackmount ears or if that is an option?
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post #537 of 2807
9/20/12 at 6:51am
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Originally Posted by mrlittlejeans View Post

Do you know if it comes with rackmount ears or if that is an option?
It will be optional, just as it is with the 95. You'll have to wait to hear about pricing - since the 105 is 2.5RU, the ears will need to fill in the extra .5RU which I'm guessing will increase the cost.
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post #538 of 2807
9/20/12 at 7:27am
Do I understand correctly that the 103 and/or the 105 model be used as a quasi media player for video and audio files from an external HDD via USB, and if so what OSD control/menu system does it use? Also, can the 103 be controlled by an Android bluetooth tablet in lieu of the IR remote?

Lastly, does Cinavia create issues for decrypted SD-DVD copies (DVD-R) or only BD-R?
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post #539 of 2807
9/20/12 at 7:29am
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Famous last words. biggrin.gif
Yes...my name is Ed and I'm a technoholic.
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post #540 of 2807
9/20/12 at 7:39am
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

My understanding is that the new OPPO players will NOT play 4K source material when it arrives. What they can do is convert other resolutions like 1080p to 4K.
If you are planing on picking up a Sony 4k projector, it will to the conversion for you. At $25,000 it should. eek.gif
Thanks for pointing that out. I'm still glad it will upscale and should present great PQ given what the 83 does in my HT.
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