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post #751 of 2827
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Originally Posted by RickAVManiac View Post

I know the Oppo wont be able to read 2D and 3D iso file, but is the Oppo able to read 3D MKV ? I mean Full HD MKV 3D ?

Anyone ?
post #752 of 2827
Thread Starter 
I do not have any full 3D MKV files, so I can't comment. Side-by-side and Top-Bottom are supported, but you need to convert these on the television. Being able to convert them on the player is still being investigated.
post #753 of 2827
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Originally Posted by onesolo View Post

As usual, Oppo like to screw european consumers with their products...
I would love to know why here in Europe, this player is being charge around €650/700 (I already saw some stores with this price) and the in US the MSRP is $500 !!!!
When doing conversions it costs about €385 !!! More than €300 of difference!!!
And don't give me that old excuse of price without taxes... if you take the taxes from the EU price, it would be around €550, not even close to the $500 in US
Are we so that different who lives in USA to deserve this?!?
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

^ OPPO Digital in the US does not set prices in Europe. European model players come from OPPO UK.
The tax and regulatory environment in European markets are quite a bit different than in the US. As just one example, and I'm going from recollection here, the players in Europe must be sold with a two year warranty. OPPO Digital in the US sells the players with a one year warranty, and sells an optional extension to two years (for $69 in the case of the BDP-95). In addition, European distributors typically have to contribute to end of product life (recycling) programs. Which also brings up that two tier distribution system. OPPO sells direct in the US. In Europe there are regional distributors who buy from OPPO UK and probably want to make a few Euros themselves. I don't know what all else is different, but every home theater electronics product I know of originating in North America is sold for substantially more money in Europe -- by all manufacturers. I suppose it's possible that ALL of them don't like their European customers, but it seems more likely to me that there are costs of doing business in Europe that you haven't considered in your math.
--Bob

Like Bob said. USA's commerce is simply way more cost-effective.

I would like to add that your less than friendly language is unnecessary. More, it makes other EU'ers like myself look bad. Keep the EU standard high!

And you forgot to add the additional shipping cost from USA to EU because I doubt the Oppo's destined for EU come straight from China.
post #754 of 2827
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Originally Posted by stevekale View Post

From the pics of the 103 it looks like it will still be easy to disconnect the power to the analogue section which is good.

I'm curious as to what the objective would be when disconnecting the power to the analog section of the 103?

Bill
post #755 of 2827
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

IIRC, it was Neuromancer a few posts back who said that he prefers the implementation of the anolog sound of the 105 than the 95 when listening through his headphones ...
- David

David, 95 does not have a headphone output while 105 does.
Neuromancercer, could you clarify in what way you felt 105 sounded better than 95 ... thanks/e.
post #756 of 2827
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Originally Posted by bakerwi View Post

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Originally Posted by kutlow View Post

How would you guys say this OPPO 103 compares with the Sony S790 in bluRay watching only? I dont stream I just watch BluRay.I use HDMI ALSO. The oppo 103 is twice the price of the Sony S790.

I have a BDP-93 and the Sony BDP-S790 and when I turn off ALL the processing in the Sony the pictures are comparable. I would expect the same results when compared to the S790 with all procesing turned off. Also, there is a justifiable reason why the Oppo cost twice as much given its feature set compared to the Sony. If your main priority is blu-ray PQ and you have no need for all the Oppo does above and beyond the Sony, then I would endorse the Sony.smile.gif
Maybe even the 590 if two HDMI outputs aren't needed. biggrin.gif
post #757 of 2827
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by edwardkim View Post

David, 95 does not have a headphone output while 105 does.
Neuromancercer, could you clarify in what way you felt 105 sounded better than 95 ... thanks/e.

Can't yet, since the reasons why I like the sound better are still under NDA.
post #758 of 2827
Sorry for my ignorance as I am still discovering the virtures of SACD DSD playback & multi-channel track downloads from certain sites. In the Setup Menu of the -93 I have HDMI Audio set as Auto rolleyes.gif.
Will this play DSD over HDMI or should I change to LPCM or Bitstream?
Will the 103 or 105 have different options for proper DSD playback? I do prefer HDMI instead of analog unless there is a benefit to the 105 with with Denon A100 using Audyssey. (I think not). If DSD over HDMI is just as good as analog then I would prefer the 103.
What does the Audiophile community prefer with the Oppo/Denon A100 combo and their rspective settings?
Dave
post #759 of 2827
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Originally Posted by edwardkim View Post

David, 95 does not have a headphone output while 105 does.
Neuromancercer, could you clarify in what way you felt 105 sounded better than 95 ... thanks/e.

Most headphone amps accept standard line level inputs from output sources such as CD or BD players so one can listen to the 95 using headphones via its outputs.
post #760 of 2827
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by davehale View Post

Sorry for my ignorance as I am still discovering the virtures of SACD DSD playback & multi-channel track downloads from certain sites. In the Setup Menu of the -93 I have HDMI Audio set as Auto rolleyes.gif.
Will this play DSD over HDMI or should I change to LPCM or Bitstream?
Dave

The HDMI setting will not affect SACD DSD. The SACD setting needs to be set to DSD and the HDMI handshake with the receiver needs to inform the player that DSD is acceptable.

As long as these conditions are met, you will get SACD DSD over HDMI.
post #761 of 2827
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Originally Posted by hernanu View Post

Hard to say, since it's not officially out, but if it compares well with previous Oppos, then it will be the best at bluray display. The differences between it and the S790 in just bluray will probably be small, limited to proper colorspace mapping, which previous Sonys did not do correctly, and the Oppos did. It would depend on your screen size and other factors, but not great differences.
There are many more things that the Oppo does well and are probably important now and going to be important as time comes, like DVD upscaling, support of remote media (local area network based and streaming), support of multiple audio formats, use of the 103 to clean up a cable signal, etc.
But it's like asking whether an economy car will get you to the corner store better than a really reliable high end sedan. Both will do it, but if that's all you need and the money difference is important, then get the economy and things will be good, as long as you don't need the things that the high end delivers.

How can you use the 103 to clean up a cable signal? for cable you mean TV cable, right?
post #762 of 2827
Wow! Thank you Neuromancer. I didn't even notice that setting and did change it. Would there be a similar change in the Denon that I need to reconfigure or is all now OK for the best audio for SACD playback?
post #763 of 2827
Thread Starter 
No other configuration is required for your receiver as long as it is looking for a HDMI audio signal.
post #764 of 2827
Thanks- all is OK now for my disks. Next question- since I am browsing the SACD download sites should I get single layer or double layer SACD?, as I am thinking single layer may mean stereo and dual layer may mean 5.1 multi channel.
Dave
post #765 of 2827
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

Most headphone amps accept standard line level inputs from output sources such as CD or BD players so one can listen to the 95 using headphones via its outputs.

David, you can use an "external" headphone amp with line-out from 95 but, that does not help to compare sound quality between 95 and 105. It is like comparing "apple vs. orange" - i.e 95 with "3rd party external" headphone amp vs. 105 with "internal" headphone amp.

We just have to wait until 105 is officially released to find out how good 105 sounds ...
post #766 of 2827
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Originally Posted by davehale View Post

Thanks- all is OK now for my disks. Next question- since I am browsing the SACD download sites should I get single layer or double layer SACD?, as I am thinking single layer may mean stereo and dual layer may mean 5.1 multi channel.
Dave

I'm not into computer based music but I've never heard of SACD download sites. Do you mean SACD sellers such as Amazon and other retailers? SACDs that are single layer will only play in SACD players. When you say "double layer" I'm assuming you mean hybrids which have a CD layer and will play in standard CD players. There are single layer multichannel SACDs and Stereo hybrid SACDs. So you have to do your homework when buying SACDs as to whether they are multichannel or stereo. I suggest you visit sa-cd.net so you can get a better understanding of the SACD format.

Bill
post #767 of 2827
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

I'm not into computer based music but I've never heard of SACD download sites. Do you mean SACD sellers such as Amazon and other retailers?Bill

More and more sites now offer DSD file download/purchase:

http://bluecoastrecords.com/

http://www.channelclassics.com/dsd.html

http://www.2l.no/hires/index.html

http://music.e-onkyo.com/artist/m101210_R.asp
post #768 of 2827
If we set the DSD output on both of the new players to LPCM on the HDMI outputs, what are the specifications of the LPCM signals for each player?
post #769 of 2827
Sorry if this is a stupid question but have retail prices for the 105 been released?
post #770 of 2827
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Originally Posted by guima View Post

I bet the build quality of the 103 will be a whole different ball game.
Sony is a good streamer, but it's got a fan and its drive unit is very noisy (noisier than the panasonic too). It's very lightweight, so vibration and drive noise aren't shielded well enough. I'd say that for BD watching only, the BDT500 (same price as the sony) is better, while the sony is better for streaming (a lot faster and more streaming services). My experience is that players tend to make more noise as they age, and the fan is just another potential source (of noise) in the long run.

The 790 contains no fan

The 790 isn't noticeably a noisy drive

The 790 is fully able to provide a accurate picture for BD disks. You can choose to use video processing or not.
post #771 of 2827
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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post

The 790 contains no fan

My bad. I can't find any reference that it does, so I'll take your word on it.
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The 790 isn't noticeably a noisy drive

Mine was extremely noisy (reason it got returned). I was told it varies a lot from unit to unit. However, it's very lightweight, and that thin layer of plastic certainly isn't enough to shield the drive unit.
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The 790 is fully able to provide a accurate picture for BD disks. You can choose to use video processing or not.

So do all players that are bit-perfect (on blu-ray). I also can't really see any difference between the s790 and the dbt500 concerning PQ (DVD or Blu-ray).
post #772 of 2827
Thread Starter 
Wanted to know more about the inner workings of OPPO and the BDP-103/105, then look no further than the OPPO BDP-103 & BDP-105 Blu-ray Q&A Interview on Audioholics.
post #773 of 2827
Looks pretty interesting. I would:

1) Plug Direct TV box into the 105 directly. I would like to evaluate that.
2) Plug Laptop into the 105 directly via USB and HDMI and play audio and video files stored on remote drives and play FLAC gapless using mediamonkey, vlc, or foobar.
3) Would like to see if you can get the audio from computer to zone 2 with just an hdmi or usb connection. Normally you have to also have an analog connection to send the audio to zone 2. But maybe this way could be workaround cause its going through the Oppo which is connected via hdmi and analog to receiver already.

I would keep my 95 and put in another room. Still dont know what cinavia is gonna be like....
Edited by Lotus00 - 9/24/12 at 11:50pm
post #774 of 2827
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Originally Posted by DenonLover View Post

Sorry if this is a stupid question but have retail prices for the 105 been released?
Yes, $499 at their web site.
post #775 of 2827
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

Yes, $499 at their web site.

The MSRP is $499 for the BDP-103 and $1199 for the BDP-105. We expect to have the BDP-103 available in October and the BDP-105 before the end of 2012.
post #776 of 2827
^ And from the Interview just linked by NEUROMANCER above, the price of the 105 is also now confirmed as $1,199.

NOTE TO AMAZON: That's $499 and $1,199, *NOT* $499.99 or $1,199.99. Got it? biggrin.gif

--Bob
post #777 of 2827
"The BDP-105 retains the BDP-95’s very detailed and accurate sound, and the performance measurements are almost identical to the BDP-95."
post #778 of 2827
To answer another question recently posed here. The launch specs for the 105 do not include DSD input on the Asynchronous USB Input.

OPPO is certainly aware of the interest in adding that, but no promises at this point.

The USB Input accepts stereo LPCM, up to 192KHz 24-bit.

The Optical/Coax inputs are S/PDIF. Meaning they support stereo LPCM and lossy DD and DTS.

The HDMI inputs support stereo and 5.1 LPCM up to 192KHz, 7.1 LPCM up to 96KHz, and lossy DD and DTS. They do not support DSD Input, TrueHD or DTS-HD MA. If fed Stereo LPCM originating from an HDCD disc, then the HDCD decoder in the OPPO can be used. Note that as with all HDMI, audio can only be carried embedded in a video signal (which can be a black image). To use high bit rate LPCM, that signal must be 720p or higher.

I don't know what input formats are supported on the HDMI Audio Return Channel inputs, but it must be up to at least DD 5.1 since that's the primary function of them.

1080p/24 input can be output as 1080p/24 or /60 at your choice. But DVD 24p Conversion will not be available for 480i input. 3D video input IS supported (but there are probably some caveats on that such as the player does not do format conversion).

ETA: DD+ up to 7.1 is supported on the HDMI inputs. This still falls into the "lossy" category.
--Bob
Edited by Bob Pariseau - 9/25/12 at 1:55am
post #779 of 2827
To answer another recently posted question: With SACD Output PCM set, conversion of the DSD content played off an SACD disc to PCM -- i.e., to go to the Analog DACs as PCM, or as digital HDMI LPCM output in the 103/105 -- results in LPCM 88.2KHz 24-bit.

I know there's a lively interest in whether 176.4KHz should be used instead, so here's a link to a post I made previously in the BDP-95 thread discussing OPPO's design decision here:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1311806/official-oppo-bdp-95-owners-thread/7200#post_21468581

Simply put, it is not ALWAYS the case that a higher sampling rate is "better", and SACD conversion is just such a case.
--Bob
post #780 of 2827
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

I do not have any full 3D MKV files, so I can't comment. Side-by-side and Top-Bottom are supported, but you need to convert these on the television. Being able to convert them on the player is still being investigated.
Thats great news for those who want 3d file playback Neuromancer ; could you say if the lossless codecs are now supported for mkv's unlike the 95 ? thanks ; hope this isnt under a NDA wink.gif Even better if the qdeo can interpolate a sbs to 3d frame packed format [ even at a lower resolution ] as manual switching is de rigeur unfortunately on my epson frown.gif

I wonder if the hdmi inputs have a standby passthrough option like some avrs have or its necessary to have the oppo on ;very handy for a pvr / cable box..
Edited by cwt - 9/25/12 at 2:30am
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