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post #211 of 275
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I just watched the 'special edidtion' Alien3 which is about 30 minutes longer than the theatrical version.
The shorter version is far superiror its not even funny.
post #212 of 275
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Originally Posted by sog35 View Post

I just watched the 'special edidtion' Alien3 which is about 30 minutes longer than the theatrical version.
The shorter version is far superiror its not even funny.

and Fincher had nothing to do with the extended cut if I'm not mistaken? I don't remember.
post #213 of 275
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Originally Posted by Morpheo View Post

and Fincher had nothing to do with the extended cut if I'm not mistaken? I don't remember.

Things became so contentious between Fincher and Fox that the director left the production before final editing began and has since disowned the film. The 2003 Assembly Cut isn’t actually the true vision Fincher had in mind (we suppose, as he even refused to return to record DVD commentary or appear in any bonus features) but it’s closer to his original cut of the film. It’s got a new beginning, a modified ending, and a few new sequences that flesh out some of the prisoners and fill in plot inconsistencies made by the studio’s editing.

http://www.tor.com/blogs/2012/06/alien-3-a-haunting-failure
post #214 of 275
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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart View Post

Things became so contentious between Fincher and Fox that the director left the production before final editing began and has since disowned the film. The 2003 Assembly Cut isn’t actually the true vision Fincher had in mind (we suppose, as he even refused to return to record DVD commentary or appear in any bonus features) but it’s closer to his original cut of the film. It’s got a new beginning, a modified ending, and a few new sequences that flesh out some of the prisoners and fill in plot inconsistencies made by the studio’s editing.
http://www.tor.com/blogs/2012/06/alien-3-a-haunting-failure

Oh, but wait, that doesn't meet Sog35's agenda so just forget all of that!
post #215 of 275
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Originally Posted by sog35 View Post

I just watched the 'special edidtion' Alien3 which is about 30 minutes longer than the theatrical version.
The shorter version is far superiror its not even funny.
Alien3 is not supposed to be funny.
post #216 of 275
Its always tricky to edit a movie. Too short and we dont get any character development, to long and we just get reduntant material that doesnt take the story forward.

Alot of "fans" often just want more of their movie. But its rare that the extended edition of a movie becomes a better movie. Its usually one step forward and two steps back. Do we need 10 scenes that portray a character as evil, or do we only need one or two? A well written script can get away with one or two, and a less well written will need more.
post #217 of 275
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Originally Posted by sog35 View Post

I just watched the 'special edidtion' Alien3 which is about 30 minutes longer than the theatrical version.
The shorter version is far superiror its not even funny.
Alien3 is not supposed to be funny.

Nice.
post #218 of 275
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Originally Posted by iamian View Post

Alien3 is not supposed to be funny.

really. the trailer said 3 times the laughs.

anyway the extended version was really horrible. especially the added 15 minutes of apolypitical preaching by the black priest/murderer
post #219 of 275
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really. the trailer said 3 times the laughs.
anyway the extended version was really horrible. especially the added 15 minutes of apolypitical preaching by the black priest/murderer

Pity.

post #220 of 275
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Originally Posted by sog35 View Post

really. the trailer said 3 times the laughs.
anyway the extended version was really horrible. especially the added 15 minutes of apolypitical preaching by the black priest/murderer

Keep in mind that the Assembly Cut was only for home video where the length of a movie doesn't matter as much as many won't even sit through the entire movie to begin with (bathroom breaks, answer phones, get food, etc).
post #221 of 275
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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart View Post

Keep in mind that the Assembly Cut was only for home video where the length of a movie doesn't matter as much as many won't even sit through the entire movie to begin with (bathroom breaks, answer phones, get food, etc).

Now Lee, doesn't your DVD/BD player have a pause button? smile.gifwink.gif
post #222 of 275
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Originally Posted by iamian View Post

Pity.

nice
post #223 of 275
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Originally Posted by bobby94928 View Post

Now Lee, doesn't your DVD/BD player have a pause button? smile.gifwink.gif

Sure . . . but my local theater doesn't. biggrin.gif
post #224 of 275
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Originally Posted by sog35 View Post

I'm not sure if this a recent trend but there seems to be more 2+ hours movies than before.
I understand movies like LOTR and Dark Knight need the extra time to develop characters. Also these movies are great so I have no problem if these movies run over 2 or even 3 hours.
But there are movies out their that have no business being 2 hours long. The most recent example I can think of is Battleship. The movie had some decent action scenes that could stand on its own. Why on earth does this movie have to be longer than 2 hours? Take out all the crappy parts of the movie and it would be 90 minutes of great action and special effects. I just don't get it.
Especially now with ipads/iphones/ect hardly anyone has patience. Our attention span as a nation is shorter than ever. Why not give us movies that get rid of all the fluf/crap and just pack all the good parts of the movie to 80-90 minutes.
Here are a list of other movies that are way too long. So long that it actually hurts the good parts of the movies:
Transformers 1-3 (although I can understand #1 to introduce the characters but still way too long)
KingKong
Pearl Harbor
Waterworld
Matrix Reloaded
Even Dark Knight Rises could have benefited from being trimmed by 10 or 15 minutes.


it's to satisfy ignorance. And ignorance wins.

Like the retarded audio of (the vast majority of) modern movies ??? you cannot hear a dialogue but hey that glass being rested on the coffee table it's a f***g explosion !!! Same thing: the ignorant is more interested in the non-sense sounds and sound-effects than what is actually being said, if indeed there is a dialogue of some sort. But if you indeed wanted to hear the dialogue then you would have to increase the volume to such levels that then noises (excuse-me, sound effects, or the glass being rested on the coffee table) will hurt your hears ......... anyhow.

Or it is just like the giant portions at restaurants: entirely ignorant, but if restaurants suddenly made those portions civilized and human the ignorant would rush to complain that they are not getting enough for their dollars (they prefer obesity of course).

So, I go to a movie and get out after 90 min and geeeee, it cost me $12 and it's already done ? What a rip-off !!! so, movies are longer and longer to satisfy the ignorant\.

Like sound being played at UNHEALTHY audio levels in the majority of movie theaters (at least in NYC). Ignorance. I mean, I find it criminal to take kids to movie theaters these days: go often enough their hearing will be impaired.

Very said, very true.
post #225 of 275
I hate when music is so loud that it makes it hard to hear dialogue, what is with that?

However i do love those big loud glass-shaking explosions!!

As to big portions in restaurants, the bigger the better, its called LEFTOVERS, you eat a little, take the rest home, and get another meal or two out of it, and it winds up making your meal cheaper if the money you spent now goes for 2 or 3 meals instead of 1. Just dont drink a lot of soda, Mayor Bloomberg will arrest you!!!!!

But as to movies, unless a movie is exceptional, i prefer 90-minutes to these 2-hour and 20 minute marathons that dont warrant it.
post #226 of 275
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Originally Posted by yankeeman View Post

I hate when music is so loud that it makes it hard to hear dialogue, what is with that?
However i do love those big loud glass-shaking explosions!
Can be your audio setup a lot of times (frequency peaks), but no matter what other people say to the contrary (some folks insist there's a problem with your system's setup), the audio can be f'd up in the film.
post #227 of 275
Can't find Sog35's quote. But saying The Dark Knight Rises could have had 15 minutes less on it is the most ridiculous thing I've heard
post #228 of 275
He said it in the very first post of this thread.
post #229 of 275
This thread also reminds me of numbskulls who writes reviews on Yelp and complain the food portions are too big and that they can't finish it. Why the hell would anyone bitch about getting to much food? damn take it home, give some to a homeless person, your dogs, etc. Complain about tapas bars, now that's something to bitch about.
post #230 of 275
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Originally Posted by windwaves View Post

it's to satisfy ignorance. And ignorance wins.
Like the retarded audio of (the vast majority of) modern movies ??? you cannot hear a dialogue but hey that glass being rested on the coffee table it's a f***g explosion !!! Same thing: the ignorant is more interested in the non-sense sounds and sound-effects than what is actually being said, if indeed there is a dialogue of some sort. But if you indeed wanted to hear the dialogue then you would have to increase the volume to such levels that then noises (excuse-me, sound effects, or the glass being rested on the coffee table) will hurt your hears ......... anyhow.
Or it is just like the giant portions at restaurants: entirely ignorant, but if restaurants suddenly made those portions civilized and human the ignorant would rush to complain that they are not getting enough for their dollars (they prefer obesity of course).
So, I go to a movie and get out after 90 min and geeeee, it cost me $12 and it's already done ? What a rip-off !!! so, movies are longer and longer to satisfy the ignorant\.
Like sound being played at UNHEALTHY audio levels in the majority of movie theaters (at least in NYC). Ignorance. I mean, I find it criminal to take kids to movie theaters these days: go often enough their hearing will be impaired.
Very said, very true.
What?? how can you compare time to something like audio. That makes no damn sense. Time is duration, audio level is loudness. This is getting ridiculous, I don't know why I'm even replying to this. stupid is what stupid does I guess.
post #231 of 275
I went to a radio morning show seminar in Southern California back in the '90s. One of the speakers was Gary Owens of "Laugh-In fame and a staple of LA radio. I was very lucky to have some one-on-one time with him and I asked him about brevity when it came to humor on a morning show. He told me that a good "bit" is quick, to the point, and leaves the audience wanting more. When I asked him about doing a long sketch, he said, "Sure, long bits are fine...but there had better be one hell of a payoff." His point was, my audience had invested their time in my show and trusted me to deliver. If I didn't, they probably wouldn't next time. Diminished returns.

Yes, I know humor and movies are two different staples but the idea is the same. If a movie seems long to you, the payoff factor didn't kick-in.
post #232 of 275
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Originally Posted by sog35 View Post

I'm not sure if this a recent trend but there seems to be more 2+ hours movies than before.
I understand movies like LOTR and Dark Knight need the extra time to develop characters. Also these movies are great so I have no problem if these movies run over 2 or even 3 hours.
But there are movies out their that have no business being 2 hours long. The most recent example I can think of is Battleship. The movie had some decent action scenes that could stand on its own. Why on earth does this movie have to be longer than 2 hours? Take out all the crappy parts of the movie and it would be 90 minutes of great action and special effects. I just don't get it.
Especially now with ipads/iphones/ect hardly anyone has patience. Our attention span as a nation is shorter than ever. Why not give us movies that get rid of all the fluf/crap and just pack all the good parts of the movie to 80-90 minutes.
Here are a list of other movies that are way too long. So long that it actually hurts the good parts of the movies:
Transformers 1-3 (although I can understand #1 to introduce the characters but still way too long)
KingKong
Pearl Harbor
Waterworld
Matrix Reloaded
Even Dark Knight Rises could have benefited from being trimmed by 10 or 15 minutes.


it's to satisfy ignorance. And ignorance wins.

Like the retarded audio of (the vast majority of) modern movies ??? you cannot hear a dialogue but hey that glass being rested on the coffee table it's a f***g explosion !!! Same thing: the ignorant is more interested in the non-sense sounds and sound-effects than what is actually being said, if indeed there is a dialogue of some sort. But if you indeed wanted to hear the dialogue then you would have to increase the volume to such levels that then noises (excuse-me, sound effects, or the glass being rested on the coffee table) will hurt your hears ......... anyhow.

Or it is just like the giant portions at restaurants: entirely ignorant, but if restaurants suddenly made those portions civilized and human the ignorant would rush to complain that they are not getting enough for their dollars (they prefer obesity of course).

So, I go to a movie and get out after 90 min and geeeee, it cost me $12 and it's already done ? What a rip-off !!! so, movies are longer and longer to satisfy the ignorant\.

Like sound being played at UNHEALTHY audio levels in the majority of movie theaters (at least in NYC). Ignorance. I mean, I find it criminal to take kids to movie theaters these days: go often enough their hearing will be impaired.

Very said, very true.

Your writing is an homage to ignorance. You sure you have your system adjusted correctly for dialog? I've got no issues with the vast majority of soundtracks. Who knows about the theaters, tho, they may well also need to know how to setup their sound systems....and it's not limited to NY.
post #233 of 275
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Originally Posted by Tulpa View Post

He said it in the very first post of this thread.

Lol I guess I'm a ******. But i still hold my view. Rises was already short enough. Any shorter, and there would have been much more ambiguity over it than there already is.
post #234 of 275
Is it the consensus here Prometheus would have been less hated had RS left in some of the deleted scenes?
post #235 of 275
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Originally Posted by zoey67 View Post

What?? how can you compare time to something like audio. That makes no damn sense. Time is duration, audio level is loudness. This is getting ridiculous, I don't know why I'm even replying to this. stupid is what stupid does I guess.

lol.

Ever heard of editing?
wonder why some movies win oscars for great editing and some dont?

Its because they take out the crap. You act like every movie made is edited to PERFECTION. And none of them have useless/fluff/crap in them. LOL to you boy.
post #236 of 275
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Originally Posted by sog35 View Post

lol.
Ever heard of editing?
wonder why some movies win oscars for great editing and some dont?
Its because they take out the crap. You act like every movie made is edited to PERFECTION. And none of them have useless/fluff/crap in them. LOL to you boy.

rolleyes.gif

That is NOT how they choose the winner of the Oscar for Film Editing.

Cripes - would you please stop making crap up.
post #237 of 275
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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart View Post

rolleyes.gif
That is NOT how they choose the winner of the Oscar for Film Editing.
Cripes - would you please stop making crap up.

an important part of editing is taking out parts of the movie.
thats where the world originally came from, sniping parts of the celoid.
post #238 of 275
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Originally Posted by sog35 View Post

an important part of editing is taking out parts of the movie.
thats where the world originally came from, sniping parts of the celoid.

No it isn't. It's all about how you put the movie together.
post #239 of 275
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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart View Post

No it isn't. It's all about how you put the movie together.

wrong. Some of the best editing comes when a director takes out a few minutes. Just watch some of the 'extended' versions of movies or deleted scenes. you can quickly see why it was wise to cut out those scenes.
post #240 of 275
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Originally Posted by sog35 View Post

wrong. Some of the best editing comes when a director takes out a few minutes. Just watch some of the 'extended' versions of movies or deleted scenes. you can quickly see why it was wise to cut out those scenes.

BS! rolleyes.gif

The extended versions are primarily used to sell HV optical discs.

Take a look at the films that have been both nominated and won the Best Film Editing award - that have NOTHING to do with taking things out and EVERTHING to do with how the movie is put together:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academy_Award_for_Best_Film_Editing
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