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post #421 of 825
I was able to pick up one up at BB in Deptford, NJ for $199.00. They had about 5 left.

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post #422 of 825
I have an OLD AV system with no HDMI, with a HDMI display coming soon, but replacing my AVR still a good time away. The BDP62 seems OK using the spdif except for DVDA and SACD where it limits optical out to 2 ch. Using the PCM mode the manual says the HDMI will output DTS or DD 5.1. Is this encrypted, or will a HDMI splitter de embedder be able to send the DD or DTS via toslink to my old AVR?
post #423 of 825
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Originally Posted by mikeford View Post

I have an OLD AV system with no HDMI, with a HDMI display coming soon, but replacing my AVR still a good time away. The BDP62 seems OK using the spdif except for DVDA and SACD where it limits optical out to 2 ch. Using the PCM mode the manual says the HDMI will output DTS or DD 5.1. Is this encrypted, or will a HDMI splitter de embedder be able to send the DD or DTS via toslink to my old AVR?

I'm not sure I follow what you are asking, but... just connect a S/PDIF coax cable directly from the BDP-62FD to your older AVR. Then, in the setup, look for 'Digital Audio' and make two changes:

1. Select 'Bitstream' to get AC-3 or DTS multi-channel output to your AVR; you don't need to use an HDMI splitter for surround sound with your older AVR;

2. Change the 'Downsampling' rate to 96kHz (or whatever your AVR can handle) - the default is 48kHz and you want to go higher than that for SACD and DVD-Audio output (see below).

One interesting feature of this player is that it will re-sample DSD to 88kHz LPCM on the S/PDIF outputs for SACD, so even if you don't have HDMI on your AVR, you can still enjoy higher resolution audio.

Congrats on your new BDP-62FD!
post #424 of 825
Thread Starter 
^^Hello sir..how are things with you ?......lol. any new music to recommend.. hahha...smile.gif
Edited by pioneertop - 5/3/13 at 9:41am
post #425 of 825
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Originally Posted by ptwyzard View Post

I'm interested in picking up the Pioneer 62fd, but was looking for opinions/thoughts on that or the Sony S5100. Any input is appreciated.

Thanks.

I had been interested in this newer 62fd awhile back. But seeing how my Elite 23fd began to have the "unknown disc" error trying to play the latest release BD movies, and it wasn't even that old or had a million discs played on it - and no more new firmware support, I felt I did not want to chance another Pioneer. Especially since my 23fd was the last to be officially built by Pioneer, and the lack of streaming options on the newer models, I chose a Sony this time, and quite happy with it.

But, if you decide to get a Sony, get the S790, not the S5100! That is almost a step backwards. The S790 is still their flagship model, and hasn't been replaced so far.

Don't get me wrong though!!!!! I love Pioneer Elite equipment! Still have my SC05 receiver. And I had loved my 23fd, which I still have, but sadly off collecting dust now. Was told it most likely needs the laser replaced (as no one does alignments anymore). But being out of warranty, it was cheaper to just buy the S790.
post #426 of 825
My 62 has been working great since I turned on quick start.
I picked up a Disney WOW bluray and calibrated my setup.
Blurays and DVD look really good but I have noticed when
watching Netflix that on dark scenes the blacks look crushed.
Has anyone else noticed this?
post #427 of 825
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Originally Posted by Sunny44 View Post

My 62 has been working great since I turned on quick start.
I picked up a Disney WOW bluray and calibrated my setup.
Blurays and DVD look really good but I have noticed when
watching Netflix that on dark scenes the blacks look crushed.
Has anyone else noticed this?

Has anyone noticed this while watching Netflix?
post #428 of 825
Yes. Watching the same movie (Netflix vs Blu-ray), I find that movies with lots of dark details to be darker on Netflix. But once I boost the black level to Blu-ray level, I i mediately see banding and macroblocking in the dark areas. Maybe Netflix deliberately darkened things just to hide ghe compression artifacts?
post #429 of 825
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

Yes. Watching the same movie (Netflix vs Blu-ray), I find that movies with lots of dark details to be darker on Netflix. But once I boost the black level to Blu-ray level, I i mediately see banding and macroblocking in the dark areas. Maybe Netflix deliberately darkened things just to hide ghe compression artifacts?

This may have to do with your Internet speed connection. Streaming VOD in HD can look almost BR like.
post #430 of 825
I'm having an extremely strange and frustrating problem with a recently purchased BDP-62FD. I've read through the thread and I didn't see anyone else having this issue with their player. The one or two people that were having issues seemed to be of the AV lip-sync and/or video cutting out variety which seemed to be remedied by a simple setting change.

Disclaimer: I work as a Sales associate at the local Best Buy on the core Home Theater floor, in the same store with MHT, so I would like to think I know a little bit about what I'm doing. That being said, I've already consulted with one of the Mag guys I work with and he is baffled as well.

Setup is the BDP-62FD with latest firmware connected to BD input of a Denon AVR-1911, which is connected to a 50" Panny plasma. All other devices work via HDMI correctly through the same AVR.

Issue: I've tried multiple blu-ray discs and the same problem exists. I try to play the disc in the BDP and as soon as it starts loading the disc, I lose audio and video signal, nearly every time. The only thing that seems to fix the problem (only temporarily I might add) is shutting the whole system down and restarting it. The last time I managed to get the disc to actually play, both audio and video cut out after about 20 seconds. I have tried with Quick Start on and off, doesn't help. Tried Bitstream vs PCM, which also doesn't help. I reset the player to default settings, made sure that the HDMI cable is connected to the Main output on the back of the player, and also tried with the output resolution set to "Auto" and "1080P", both seemingly ineffective. The stupidest part is that I can view all the menus on the BDP, which display just fine through the AVR on the TV, and the disc Play Timer is displayed on the front of the Pioneer, even though I get no audio or video.

The only thing I have not tried is rolling back the firmware, which I'm not sure how I would go about doing. I'm not even sure where I'd get an older version of it.

What do you think guys? Is this a BDP issue, or an AVR issue? Am I missing something completely obvious? The reason I'm leaning towards it being the Pioneer to blame is that the BDP I replaced (Samsung BD-E5900) played just fine with the same AVR settings, which I HAVE NOT changed. Any questions just post them and I will try to answer to help you help me. TIA.

-Jay
post #431 of 825
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Originally Posted by fookoo_2010 View Post

This may have to do with your Internet speed connection. Streaming VOD in HD can look almost BR like.

Not on my 96" fully calibrated projector they don't look the same. Besides, Netflix having black crush and BD don't have bluck crush has nothing to do with internet speed. wink.gif
post #432 of 825
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Originally Posted by mrjbacon View Post

I'm having an extremely strange and frustrating problem with a recently purchased BDP-62FD. I've read through the thread and I didn't see anyone else having this issue with their player. The one or two people that were having issues seemed to be of the AV lip-sync and/or video cutting out variety which seemed to be remedied by a simple setting change.

Disclaimer: I work as a Sales associate at the local Best Buy on the core Home Theater floor, in the same store with MHT, so I would like to think I know a little bit about what I'm doing. That being said, I've already consulted with one of the Mag guys I work with and he is baffled as well.

Setup is the BDP-62FD with latest firmware connected to BD input of a Denon AVR-1911, which is connected to a 50" Panny plasma. All other devices work via HDMI correctly through the same AVR.

Issue: I've tried multiple blu-ray discs and the same problem exists. I try to play the disc in the BDP and as soon as it starts loading the disc, I lose audio and video signal, nearly every time. The only thing that seems to fix the problem (only temporarily I might add) is shutting the whole system down and restarting it. The last time I managed to get the disc to actually play, both audio and video cut out after about 20 seconds. I have tried with Quick Start on and off, doesn't help. Tried Bitstream vs PCM, which also doesn't help. I reset the player to default settings, made sure that the HDMI cable is connected to the Main output on the back of the player, and also tried with the output resolution set to "Auto" and "1080P", both seemingly ineffective. The stupidest part is that I can view all the menus on the BDP, which display just fine through the AVR on the TV, and the disc Play Timer is displayed on the front of the Pioneer, even though I get no audio or video.

The only thing I have not tried is rolling back the firmware, which I'm not sure how I would go about doing. I'm not even sure where I'd get an older version of it.

What do you think guys? Is this a BDP issue, or an AVR issue? Am I missing something completely obvious? The reason I'm leaning towards it being the Pioneer to blame is that the BDP I replaced (Samsung BD-E5900) played just fine with the same AVR settings, which I HAVE NOT changed. Any questions just post them and I will try to answer to help you help me. TIA.

-Jay

Have you tried the USB or streaming? I'm wondering if it might be the drive or the laser itself. If the player gives you audio-video through the USB or streaming then I'm guessing that'd be the problem?
post #433 of 825
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

Not on my 96" fully calibrated projector they don't look the same. Besides, Netflix having black crush and BD don't have bluck crush has nothing to do with internet speed. wink.gif

I guess the question is does anyone with the 62 NOT see this with Netflix.
post #434 of 825
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Originally Posted by gadgetscom View Post

Have you tried the USB or streaming? I'm wondering if it might be the drive or the laser itself. If the player gives you audio-video through the USB or streaming then I'm guessing that'd be the problem?

I tried sticking a USB with some audio/video on it, and it didn't play, as a matter of fact it started acting erratically. I actually had to pull the power plug out of the player and then I tried the USB again and it worked. Tried the BD again too while I was at it and it started working. Still is so far, but I'm wary of it cutting out again. I'll keep you folks updated. Maybe there's just something wrong with my specific player?
post #435 of 825
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Originally Posted by Sunny44 View Post

I guess the question is does anyone with the 62 NOT see this with Netflix.

It's not 62 problem. I see the exact same "problem" using WDTV Live Plus and Sony BDP-5100.
post #436 of 825
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

Not on my 96" fully calibrated projector they don't look the same. Besides, Netflix having black crush and BD don't have bluck crush has nothing to do with internet speed. wink.gif

My error, I thought you were referring to Netflix streaming. As to your observation, I have never seen that problem of the Netflix BR versus the official BR, having crushed blacks. But I don't use a projection system, but a 65" plasma display that has been professionally calibrated.
post #437 of 825
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Originally Posted by fookoo_2010 View Post

My error, I thought you were referring to Netflix streaming. As to your observation, I have never seen that problem of the Netflix BR versus the official BR, having crushed blacks. But I don't use a projection system, but a 65" plasma display that has been professionally calibrated.


I was talking about Netflix streaming. I only see the black crush when streaming from Netflix not on BR or DVD.
post #438 of 825
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Originally Posted by Sunny44 View Post

I was talking about Netflix streaming. I only see the black crush when streaming from Netflix not on BR or DVD.

That could easily have to do with just how fast your Internet connection is and the bandwidth that Netflix via the Amazon Cloud is willing to devote to it. Amazon streaming VOD in HD looks amazing, only drawback is that there is no lossless audio.
post #439 of 825
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Originally Posted by fookoo_2010 View Post

That could easily have to do with just how fast your Internet connection is and the bandwidth that Netflix via the Amazon Cloud is willing to devote to it. Amazon streaming VOD in HD looks amazing, only drawback is that there is no lossless audio.

I've got uverse, 7 down 1 up. I get 1080p 5.1 with Netflix. I would think that's fast enough, no?
post #440 of 825
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Originally Posted by Sunny44 View Post

I've got uverse, 7 down 1 up. I get 1080p 5.1 with Netflix. I would think that's fast enough, no?

7 down is borderline. I've measured bandwidth used by Netflix and Amazon while streaming, over time. The streaming services are very "bursty" in sending data. While 7Mbps should be enough, on paper, the reality is for HD content, you will experience bursts of up to 10Mbps to "catch-up" from time to time. When that bandwidth isn't available, the sender will step down the quality.
post #441 of 825
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Originally Posted by Sunny44 View Post

I've got uverse, 7 down 1 up. I get 1080p 5.1 with Netflix. I would think that's fast enough, no?

You can see for yourself, but the answer is no.
post #442 of 825
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Originally Posted by Krutsch View Post

7 down is borderline. I've measured bandwidth used by Netflix and Amazon while streaming, over time. The streaming services are very "bursty" in sending data. While 7Mbps should be enough, on paper, the reality is for HD content, you will experience bursts of up to 10Mbps to "catch-up" from time to time. When that bandwidth isn't available, the sender will step down the quality.

So the black crush can be contributed to the 7mbps ?
Just want to make sure it's not the player or some setting.
Maybe it's time to bump up uverse to 12 Mbps.
post #443 of 825
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Originally Posted by Sunny44 View Post

So the black crush can be contributed to the 7mbps ?
Just want to make sure it's not the player or some setting.
Maybe it's time to bump up uverse to 12 Mbps.

I didn't say that. I would defer to people like David Susilo for guidance on what causes black crush (whatever that is...).

I am just saying that if you are doing a lot of streaming and spending money on AV gear to enjoy your hobby, you need to widen your pipe to the inner-tubes.
Edited by Krutsch - 5/5/13 at 6:46pm
post #444 of 825
No, the black crush is not necessarily contributed by the 7mbps datarate (although the macroblocking and/or banding are definitely caused by low bitrate). However, I find that regardless of equipment I use, Netflix streaming tend to be bit a bit darker and always have black crush when compared to the actual disc. The last ones I compared were The Tall Man (excessive banding and major black crush) and Death Race III (banding, black crush and macroblocking).
post #445 of 825
Hello everyone,

I recently purchased this Pioneer unit http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009UY2A3C/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

And the only reason I got this one is because it was advertised as Multi Region. My big question is, do we have to switch regions/zones manually and if so, how do we go about it?

I would really appreciate any assistance, I have contacted the seller but he didn't have any instructions and doesn't know much about Blu Rays, he runs an Electronics store, that's all.

Thank you!
post #446 of 825
Quick question guys....

I have a SC-27, Pro-151, BPD-23FD, and a DV58AV that was dedicated to DVD-A, SACD, and DTS audio only. Seeing I need room in my cabinet for a separate amp to run a Zone 2, I was contemplating upgrading to the 62FD to hopefully replace the 23FD and 58AV. Both items have been flawless and I really have loved the sound quality of the 58AV, so I'm hoping the 62FD outperforms both units in their respective areas, and I won't be missing either. I know the 62FD doesn't have the Wolfson analog outs, so I'm not sure that's going to be an issue, but if so, I hope not much?

Anyway, I am a little confused about the set up. Currently, I have everything going to the SC-27, then one HDMI output to the Pro-151. However, I've read the entire thread and saw about possible benefits to using one HDMI directly to the TV and running the other HDMI to the reciever. Seeing I only use one HDMI from the 23FD to the receiver currently, will I be missing much if I just hook it up the same way? The issue is, the wife and kids use this system too, and now we never have to touch the Pro-151. I'd hate to create a new learning curve with making them manually change TV inputs every time they switch sources? I'm kind of wonder how big of a deal this is?

Lastly, opposed to just leaving everything default, are there any options I should change for my set up to optimize the performance? Thanks guys.

BTW, I just called my local BB and they said they would still honor the $199, so I might as well pick it up.
post #447 of 825
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Originally Posted by mrmagloo View Post

Quick question guys....

I have a SC-27, Pro-151, BPD-23FD, and a DV58AV that was dedicated to DVD-A, SACD, and DTS audio only. Seeing I need room in my cabinet for a separate amp to run a Zone 2, I was contemplating upgrading to the 62FD to hopefully replace the 23FD and 58AV. Both items have been flawless and I really have loved the sound quality of the 58AV, so I'm hoping the 62FD outperforms both units in their respective areas, and I won't be missing either. I know the 62FD doesn't have the Wolfson analog outs, so I'm not sure that's going to be an issue, but if so, I hope not much?

Anyway, I am a little confused about the set up. Currently, I have everything going to the SC-27, then one HDMI output to the Pro-151. However, I've read the entire thread and saw about possible benefits to using one HDMI directly to the TV and running the other HDMI to the reciever. Seeing I only use one HDMI from the 23FD to the receiver currently, will I be missing much if I just hook it up the same way? The issue is, the wife and kids use this system too, and now we never have to touch the Pro-151. I'd hate to create a new learning curve with making them manually change TV inputs every time they switch sources? I'm kind of wonder how big of a deal this is?

Lastly, opposed to just leaving everything default, are there any options I should change for my set up to optimize the performance? Thanks guys.

BTW, I just called my local BB and they said they would still honor the $199, so I might as well pick it up.
well if you do buy the 62FD ..you should be ok to go..just the way you want to hook it up ..just set HDMI control to on ..and ur set.. i have just about the same setup as you..and i do enjoy one touch play back ...as for the DAC'S i didn't miss it at all..when i sold my 23FD..AND 51FD/05 ..for the 62FD..not to mention that the SC-27 has the Wolfson's on-board...so from the 62FD to the SC-27 and boom...
post #448 of 825
Hmm, interesting as I have been running the 58AV with both HDMI and Analog, and there does seem to be a noticeable difference. Could just be in my head though.

The good news is, I was able to get one for the $199.99 which is a pretty good deal. The PQ should be at least as good as the 23FD, and it'll be nice to be able to run Netflix directly, instead of through the PS3. And, I'm guessing the SQ should be at least as good as the 58AV, provided it really will play all of my SADC, DTS, stuff that the 23FD couldn't.

So, just leave everything default except turn on HDMI control, and use the same connection set up, and we're golden. Thanks!
post #449 of 825
Quick question. Is the display on your BDP-62 a different brightness from an SC-67 AVR? I have messed with the dimmer on each and the bluray is about the brightness of the first dim step on the avr. Thanks
post #450 of 825
Hi guys, anyone know if this device in your multiregion version is free cinavia ... thx so much!!
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