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post #61 of 825
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Originally Posted by huskerdu11 View Post

I am not technically adept but I have a comment about the PQLS function and how it has been working for me since I purchased the 62FD. I have the player going through my Pioneer VSX-1019AH and have enabled the PQLS function on my receiver (which can only be set to AUTO with Kuro function on). I noticed that the function only works (blue lights for the PQLS function emit on receiver and blu-ray player) when I play an older CD. It doesn't seem to be working on any other source besides that. In fact, I was playing one CD where the PQLS function came on only during a couple of songs and then turned off on the others. Reading this thread it seems like the function should be working for all the playable media types for this player. Am I missing something or is my PQLS function broken?

Older implementations of PQLS only supported CD Audio and not full resolution PCM or compressed bitstreams from Blu-ray titles. Since the 1019 is a few years old, that might be the case with it, but I'm not certain, but I would check the manual to be sure.

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post #62 of 825
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by huskerdu11 View Post

I am not technically adept but I have a comment about the PQLS function and how it has been working for me since I purchased the 62FD. I have the player going through my Pioneer VSX-1019AH and have enabled the PQLS function on my receiver (which can only be set to AUTO with Kuro function on). I noticed that the function only works (blue lights for the PQLS function emit on receiver and blu-ray player) when I play an older CD. It doesn't seem to be working on any other source besides that. In fact, I was playing one CD where the PQLS function came on only during a couple of songs and then turned off on the others. Reading this thread it seems like the function should be working for all the playable media types for this player. Am I missing something or is my PQLS function broken?

if am right ur receiver is the vsx- 1019AH only has two channel PQLS not multi channel PQLS so you will only get it on cd's ....the higher models of receivers carries multi channel PQLS....
post #63 of 825
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

I just received mine today and although it is slightly faster than the BDP-53, it's not worth purchasing the 62.
I find that 50% of the time, the .mkv movies I tested only shows as PCM 2-ch instead of DTS or DD. I need to unplug the USB cable, re-plug it in in order to get it play in DTS/DD. eek.gif
It annoys me so much I went back to my WDTV live to play my .mkv files albeit the PQ from WDTv Live is far inferior than the same file played by the BDP62.

anybody else having this problem?
post #64 of 825
Nobody else bought this player?
post #65 of 825
I just received the Oppo 103 and my new 70" Elite LCD and found out that using the player with my Denon 3808 that there is an issue with 3D. The audio will not play when using the dual HDMI ports to the TV and receiver due to an issue that Oppo is aware of and is working on with a firmware upgrade. The issue is actually with the Denon as well as some other receivers. Thankfully Oppo is awesome at fixing problems even if they are not theirs. I have 3 Oppo Blu Ray players and have no problem waiting for the fix but would like to see what 3D looks and sounds like so I would be willing to buy this Elite player in the mean time. Has anyone had an issue using the dual HDMI outs to the TV and non 1.4 receiver or should this work in my system until Oppo updates their firmware? I can always use one of these players somewhere else in the house. Thanks.
post #66 of 825
That's how I use my 62 at home. 1 output goes directly to the projector an the 2nd output goes to the receiver. Just mak sure you set the HDMI output as "separate" instead of " dual"
post #67 of 825
I just picked up a 62FD and it works perfect with 3D. A little confusing to set up the SACD. The Oppo has a menu item to select multichannel but on the Elite you have to use the remote to find that setting but it worked afer I found it. Not quite as fast to load as the Oppo but still a nice player. Plus it outputs 5.1 for Netflix which the Oppo does also. Thanks.
post #68 of 825
On the other hand the 62 is only half the price of the Oppo biggrin.gif
post #69 of 825
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

On the other hand the 62 is only half the price of the Oppo biggrin.gif

I'm not sure where you are getting your player but the Pioneer lists for $399 and the Oppo is $499. I managed to get the Pioneer at BB for $329 but that's still more than half the cost of the Oppo. Good news is the Pioneer works while I wait for the Oppo firmware upgrade.
post #70 of 825
For Canadians, to buy an Oppo means we have to pay the $500 price plus $75 shipping and $25 brokerage fee totalling to $600

I bought my 62 for $300

So it's exactly half the price of the Oppo biggrin.gif
post #71 of 825
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

For Canadians, to buy an Oppo means we have to pay the $500 price plus $75 shipping and $25 brokerage fee totalling to $600
I bought my 62 for $300
So it's exactly half the price of the Oppo biggrin.gif

Nice buy. What do you think of the 62? Do you own an Oppo also? This is my first Pioneer unit since the Elite AV-48 and 2 563a's prior to that. Seems like a good player. Not as hefty as the Oppo but seems to perform well.
post #72 of 825
I have both the 62 and the 103. To my eyes, 2d BD playback look identcal, the same goes with DVD upscaling. For 3D presentation, the 62 gives more a pop-out effect and the 103 gives a more flat look. I don't understand the why but that's my findings.

So now I relegated the 103 into my bedroom and the 62 to my home theatre.
post #73 of 825
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

I just received mine today and although it is slightly faster than the BDP-53, it's not worth purchasing the 62.
I find that 50% of the time, the .mkv movies I tested only shows as PCM 2-ch instead of DTS or DD. I need to unplug the USB cable, re-plug it in in order to get it play in DTS/DD. eek.gif
It annoys me so much I went back to my WDTV live to play my .mkv files albeit the PQ from WDTv Live is far inferior than the same file played by the BDP62.

David, in a later post you mentioned that you have moved the 62 into your main theater setup. Does that mean that you have resolved your .MKV playback problems? I am very curious, as I am ready to pull the trigger on one of these (mostly for DVD-A/SACD/Redbook disc playback, as well as movies), but I do have a collection of video files and FLAC audio files.

Thanks in advance...
post #74 of 825
No, the problem remains. However, since the 3D is so very good, I relegated the 62 to my HT where I already own a WDTV Live making it a non-problem.

I brought my Oppo 103 to my bedroom and use it as a BD player and a media player.
post #75 of 825
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

No, the problem remains. However, since the 3D is so very good, I relegated the 62 to my HT where I already own a WDTV Live making it a non-problem.
I brought my Oppo 103 to my bedroom and use it as a BD player and a media player.

OK, thanks... I don't know which direction I am heading. I want to consolidate everything into an AVR and a disc spinner; I have a Sony BDP-S590 but as a local streaming media player, it's problematic - doesn't play FLAC files (or my DVD-A discs), but maybe the AVR can handle the FLAC files and all I need is a universal spinner. I was excited, however, about seeing what sounds like a fantastic PQ with my M4V videos - I wonder if your MKV files have multiple audio tracks and the Pioneer gets confused about which ones to play and/or if you can switch between tracks. I'm sure your WD box handles this...

Anyway, thanks for the info.
post #76 of 825
The Dolby Digital mkv are recognized without any problem. It's the DTS ones that in most cases recognized as 2-ch PCM (unless I do a hard reboot and then go directlly to that movie and don't touch anything. Once I press pause, for example, it'll switch back to 2-ch PCM).
post #77 of 825
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

The Dolby Digital mkv are recognized without any problem. It's the DTS ones that in most cases recognized as 2-ch PCM (unless I do a hard reboot and then go directlly to that movie and don't touch anything. Once I press pause, for example, it'll switch back to 2-ch PCM).

Awesome... that's music to my ears (or should I say: "Surround Sound to my Ears" ) smile.gif

I have a big collection of videos that have a 2-channel AAC track and an AC-3 track, so I am very hopeful. I just ordered my VSX-1122-K on Amazon, tonight, and the BDP-62FD comes next to go with it. I'm very jazzed to re-spin my DVD-A and SACD collection on the combination of the two, along with all of my movies.
post #78 of 825
Has anyone had an issue with this player? All of a sudden it will not load any Blu Rays. It just sits and spins and if I hit the play button it ejects the disc. I have put 10 Blu Rays through it and they all do the same thing. It plays standard DVD's fine but not the Blu's. I guess it needs to go back to the store. Thanks.
post #79 of 825
So far I've only played about 12 movies but no problem in playing any of the discs (all owned, no rental)
post #80 of 825
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

So far I've only played about 12 movies but no problem in playing any of the discs (all owned, no rental)

Mine are all owned and no rentals. I think I just got unlucky with the first one and will exchange it for another. I put the Oppo back in the system and am waiting for the firmware upgrade to correct the 3D audio issue. Thanks.
post #81 of 825
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

For Canadians, to buy an Oppo means we have to pay the $500 price plus $75 shipping and $25 brokerage fee totalling to $600
I bought my 62 for $300
So it's exactly half the price of the Oppo biggrin.gif

(never bought any Oppo, correct me if I am wrong on this one)

I thought there is a store in Markham which is a legit Oppo dealer, and you can buy Oppo BD players in-store so you don't have to pay shipping fees? I know a guy who claimed he bought his BDP-95 there thats what he told me.
post #82 of 825
Yes there is, but the store is open "by appointment only" and a couple of my clients got burned twice by his store, so I'm not going anywhere near that store. The store has enough bad reputation to the point that many brands pulled out from him. The last brand pulled out from him was Pioneer Elite.
post #83 of 825
I am thinking of getting this player. How is the de-interlacer? Can it pass every test on the HQV benchmark test or does it fail a couple. I have not been able to find any reviews commenting on de-interlacer performance. Picture quality is my main concern. I am looking for an artifact-free quality picture.
post #84 of 825
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Originally Posted by badabing View Post

I am thinking of getting this player. How is the de-interlacer? Can it pass every test on the HQV benchmark test or does it fail a couple. I have not been able to find any reviews commenting on de-interlacer performance. Picture quality is my main concern. I am looking for an artifact-free quality picture.

Deinterlacing was fine. The main tests that it failed in my evaluation were noise reduction and some diagonal filtering with 1080i content (some aliasing that isn't there on better players). It also have a chroma bug that is pretty bad for a player to have. The main issue I found was that of value for it. The Sony BDP-S790 has all of the features save DVD-Audio, better streaming, and better scaling and noise reduction for around half the price, as well as integrated WiFi. If you need a universal player, the Oppo BDP-103 is $100 more but includes WiFi, analog audio outputs, and still has better performance than the Pioneer. Combine that with the chroma issue, and it's harder to find a target audience for it for me.
post #85 of 825
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Originally Posted by Smackrabbit View Post

Deinterlacing was fine. The main tests that it failed in my evaluation were noise reduction and some diagonal filtering with 1080i content (some aliasing that isn't there on better players). It also have a chroma bug that is pretty bad for a player to have. The main issue I found was that of value for it. The Sony BDP-S790 has all of the features save DVD-Audio, better streaming, and better scaling and noise reduction for around half the price, as well as integrated WiFi. If you need a universal player, the Oppo BDP-103 is $100 more but includes WiFi, analog audio outputs, and still has better performance than the Pioneer. Combine that with the chroma issue, and it's harder to find a target audience for it for me.

Very informative post and thanks for taking the time to evaluate the player. Would you make the same statement for a customer with a Pioneer A/V receiver? I think what I am really asking is: would you discount the Pioneer-specific features, like PQLS, Sound Retriever (& Link) and Stream Smoother (& Link).

I have a Sony BDP-S590 and mostly love it (you're right, as a commercial streamer it's a real value), but I have a bunch of DVD-A discs and, to be honest, am intrigued by the Pio features mentioned above (especially PQLS for 2-channel music playback). However, it's really hard for me to figure out what value these features really add. I've read the user manual for my receiver (VSX-1122-K) and the BDP-62FD, but there isn't anything concrete, for example, about the Stream Smoother and Sound Retriever functions; at least, with respect to how they interact between the player and the AVR. For example, if the player has a Marvell chipset and the AVR has a Marvell chipset and you are streaming Netflix from the player, who does the video processing?

Thanks, in advance, for any light you can shed on this...
post #86 of 825
I had a Pioneer receiver on hand at the same time (the SC-68) and testing PQLS using CD audio as well as DVD-A 24/96 and 24/192, and all bench test results that I ran on it (THD+N, IMD, Frequency Response) were within the margin of error of the test equipment, or 0.0001% in most cases. So if they did off an improvement, I will say I didn't hear one and couldn't measure one. The thought that it would be better for those with Pioneer gear is one that I thought about, but I couldn't measure a difference that would make that a reason to choose it IMO.
post #87 of 825
Thread Starter 
well ..i just got minds hooked up ..and ready .....it came today via fedx.. am putting the unit though my test ..will let you guys know how i feel about the player...biggrin.gif
Edited by pioneertop - 11/21/12 at 6:53am
post #88 of 825
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Originally Posted by Smackrabbit View Post

Deinterlacing was fine. The main tests that it failed in my evaluation were noise reduction and some diagonal filtering with 1080i content (some aliasing that isn't there on better players). It also have a chroma bug that is pretty bad for a player to have. The main issue I found was that of value for it. The Sony BDP-S790 has all of the features save DVD-Audio, better streaming, and better scaling and noise reduction for around half the price, as well as integrated WiFi. If you need a universal player, the Oppo BDP-103 is $100 more but includes WiFi, analog audio outputs, and still has better performance than the Pioneer. Combine that with the chroma issue, and it's harder to find a target audience for it for me.

Hi, thank you,

I currently own a Panasonic DMP-BDT350.. It is a fine player.. But in terms of picture quality only and HQV testing.. Would the Elite BDP-62FD or Sony BDP-S790 still be considered better, and a noticeable upgrade over my Panasonic? What order would you rank these three players from first to last in de-interlacer performance only. I am not interested in audio quality or any other internet features. I just want the best picture. smile.gif
post #89 of 825
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Originally Posted by Smackrabbit View Post

I had a Pioneer receiver on hand at the same time (the SC-68) and testing PQLS using CD audio as well as DVD-A 24/96 and 24/192, and all bench test results that I ran on it (THD+N, IMD, Frequency Response) were within the margin of error of the test equipment, or 0.0001% in most cases. So if they did off an improvement, I will say I didn't hear one and couldn't measure one. The thought that it would be better for those with Pioneer gear is one that I thought about, but I couldn't measure a difference that would make that a reason to choose it IMO.

Thanks for your reply... I have read the many posts on PQLS on AVS (including yours) and it sounds like the tech is real (little more than adding flow control to the HDMI channels, sort of like serial port communications, if I understand it correctly); however, it sounds like any actual improvement in the listening experience is really just a placebo effect.
post #90 of 825
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Originally Posted by Krutsch View Post

Thanks for your reply... I have read the many posts on PQLS on AVS (including yours) and it sounds like the tech is real (little more than adding flow control to the HDMI channels, sort of like serial port communications, if I understand it correctly); however, it sounds like any actual improvement in the listening experience is really just a placebo effect.

Some other writers I know are trying to put together some data for an article about this I believe. In theory it seems good, but also remember that this is just transferring control from one device to another. In no way does that mean that the other device is going to do a better job than the original device did with flow control, just that its now in charge.
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