Vizio M3D651SV?? - Page 2

Even though it's "fake" 240Hz - I.e., achieved by backlighting?
Edited by eweiss - 10/13/12 at 4:10pm

That's all they're doing? Double strobing each of the otherwise 120Hz frames?

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/televisions/vizio-ulra-large-led-m550vse-e601i-a3-m650vse-m3d651sv-xvt3d580cm-e701i-a3

"All of the TVs are 1080p and use an edge LED backlight. The 65” M3D651SV is the top of the line (but not the largest) with 3D support and a 240Hz effective refresh rate. This is not an actual 240Hz refresh rate, Vizio uses backlight scanning technology to simulate a 240Hz refresh rate."
Edited by eweiss - 10/13/12 at 4:10pm

Does this new model exhibit the same smearing/trailing effect on dark objects like my m3d650 does?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeT2sd51v8U&sns=em

So, you've had this set for about a month now. Your thoughts?

Here is my review that I posted to Walmart's website:

Headline: Very Glossy - Great TV

PREFACE: I HAVE A DAMAGED SET: I will start this by saying that my set was damaged from the factory. Although it had a perfectly intact box when pulled out the back side was buckled slightly on both side causing the screen to bend slightly backwards. I contacted Vizio and they have told me to return it to WalMart for an exchange. The problem there is I traveled 60 miles to a store since my local one didn't have it and ship to store was not an option. I am hopeful that store where I purchased it will get another set in stock so I can make an exchange or that it will be offered online for site to store ordering. VIZIO & WALMART sure wish I could get some help to speed this up to get a set sent to my local store 10 miles away. Thanks if anyone out there can help make this happen.

Our screen has a spot or two that doesn't seem quite right under certain circumstances but I am going to chalk that up to the set bending some. For example on a very dark black screen you can see some grey smokey areas and on very fast motion like a baseball field about 2/3rd of the way across the screen you can see a darker inch wide line, but these are very subtle. I used to sell TV's, I have a very critical eye and on a bright color screen the picture seems very even.

The one other quirk is that after turning it on the set won't accept remote control presses for several minutes, no volume up/down etc. It's odd and something I hope can be fixed in a firmware update or maybe was caused by my set being bent. It does this on universal remotes and the vizio remote.

NOW MY REVIEW: My first concern with this set is how glossy it would be. I have a very light living room with lots of windows and lamps. This thing is a mirror, you could shave in it. It's as glossy as any plasma set you see in stores. We adapted to this by moving it to a wall between two windows which keeps the reflections in check in our situation.

I am very impressed with the set. I was surprised by the effect the 240hz scaling does to shows, but I don't necessarily dislike it. The set is bright enough in my pretty bright room. It is sharp and colorful as I could want. There is a bit of blurring on a thrown football or baseball, but very briefly and I think that is just a flaw with the 240, which I think I could turn off in the settings. But all other motion, and I watch a lot of sports, is very smooth and looks great.

I do think the glossy screen really helps with the blacks and colors, this thing is vivid but in a good way IMHO.

The kids have liked the 3D very much, it seems pretty similar to me to what we have seen in theaters. The theater Real3D glasses work very well with the set. We had 10 people watching 3D at a recent gathering.

We have not used the apps much, we have a GoogleTV box that we use for that. The remote is fine. The speakers are passable but with a set this thin you just can't expect much quality from the sound.

All in all I am very happy with this set. I intend to go through the hassle of getting mine replaced rather than just returning it to my local store and getting something else. If you have a darkened room or one with good light control I think you will be very satisfied with the set. It's a great mix of features and extra large size at this price point!(hide full review)

I am debating between this set and the Sharp Aquos 70" set...

Obviously the price beats the Aquos, but the glossy screen is scaring me since I have a big window facing the family room wall unit where this set will live....Sharp has a nice Matte screen and great deep blacks..

I cant make up my mind.....I want this Vizio to work out but I am a bit scared.......probably wait until Costco carries it and get the extended to 5 years warranty and get blinds for the window....

Cheers,

If glare is an issue, if you have lot of light on a wall that reflects it, stay away from this one is my opinion. I have blinds and even my low power lamps really show up in it on dark scenes.

Any other reviews of this set?

Michael

I just ordered the M3D651SV from Sams Club. I have the Vizio 3D 554 (1 year now) and it's an amazing set. The picture quality is excellent . The 3D on this set is ok so I'm hoping the 65 with Theatre View will be better. But this isn't the primary reason I bought the set. I just wanted a larger screen and if it's as good as the 554 I won't be sorry.

I like the Glossy Screen very much. The blacks are excellent and the colors are Vivid. I also have a 55" Vizio with the anti glare screen and that screen mutes the colors and blacks. I have my 554 in a very bright room and when I put the 553 (anti glare) next too the 554 everyone thought the 554 was much better even in the bright room. The 554 does have a reflection but so does the 553 and with the anti glare it washes out the picture really bad when light reflects off it.

If you focus on the reflection it will definitely distract but if you focus on the movie the reflection is not a problem. If you buy this set with the mind set that the glossy screen is going to be bad you will focus on that so don't dwell on the shiny screen. The only thing that concerns me is the Edge Lit Led. I have never had an Edge lit so I don't know if there will be any noticable difference. But it seems eveyone is going to that. I don't care about the thinness of the set, just the picture quality.

I haven't found an Official Vizio thread for this model, if there is one out there could someone link me too it, doing a search didn't result in finding one.

Thanks Burnerbum..

I gonna wait until Costco carries this unit to take advantage of their warranty program...I am gonna take a chance again with Vizio, I gonna take a chance on the glossy screen.

Thanks

Now $1499 at Amazon which is pretty good in terms of returns.

This is a good price. Concerned about my bright room though.

Wow, that is a good price. I am concerned about the glossy screen though. I guess Vizio cut costs by not putting on anti-glare coatings.

Michael

Costco has it now (although they don't do a very good job at making the model number obvious):
http://www.costco.com/VIZIO-65%E2%80%9D-Class-(65.00%22-Diag.)-Razor-LED%E2%84%A2-Smart-TV-with-Theater-3D%C2%AE.product.100019505.html

$1699 with a $210 rebate gets it down to $1489.

I found the model number at the bottom of the page, in the "Comparison Table" section.

Costco is charging 99 bucks for delivery. Sams has it for $1488.88 with free shipping. A 3 year extended warranty was 179.00. Plus if you order and use AMEX or Discover you get an extra year warranty if you don't want to purchase the extended warranty.

One thing I noticed after I ordered the set is that PIP is not on this set. I didn't even think to look for that since all their sets have had it. It's not a deal breaker but I do use the PIP.

Anyone know if this set simulates 2D to 3D?

No, I don't beleive it does. The manual says you need a 3D source to view 3D material.

Rick

Thanks for the info.

I have a Vizio and I love it. I would recommend it to anyone.

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I'm torn between this one and the LG 60LM7200. Does anyone have the same edge lighting problem with this Vizio as they do with the LG in this thread?

I got this tv at sams club a week ago. I really like everything about it. My biggest concern was the glossy screen. My tv sets in a basement with windows behind the tv, so the glare isn't a problem. The overhead lights do stand out a little during blackout scenes but I don't notice them. The only thing that is bugging me and I really am hoping that they fix this with a firmware update, but like a previous poster I am having startup delay. When I power the tv on, there can be a delay of a minute or two before I can really change input's or access the menu. It is acting like a pc at boot up with too many things starting and not letting you get into the menus until it is done booting. This isn't a problem unless you want to switch from say the dtv to the ps3.

fyi.. If Sams doesn't price match the tv will go back since I paid the $1700 a week ago. I think I will get it from costco then for the warranty.

Well, Sams Club gave me back the difference.. So I got it at $1488.00. I asked why and she said their systems says it is a discontinued product. Interesting.. the thing hasn't been out that long..

A number of these were sold through Amazon during the last week. I ordered one and it is scheduled to be delivered on the 11/26. I'd be interested in seeing what some of the folks are using for the picture settings. It sounds like any settings changes have to be made to the Custom picture mode, rather than the adjusting the existing standardm movie or various sport modes. I don't know if that's true for all of the picture settings or not.

In any case, it would be nice to know what settings are working for folks.

I do have an older copy of Avia that I'll probably play with for some of the color/bright/and contrast. But my Avia is the standard version, not the HD version, so it may not be quite right.

It also doesn't address the things like smooth motion, or precision motion.

Thanks
rick

I purchased this last week from Amazon for $1748 w/free delivery. Just noticed that it is down to $1499 on their site and put in for a price match thanks to this thread!

Love the set. It replaced a Mitsubishi 55" RPTV circa 2002, so this is a big step forward (old TV was prior to HDMI existing - but always had a beautiful picture). I did have to turn down the "smoothing" in the advanced picture menu, it had some weird effects especially with sports.

Anyone have any issues with Netflix and Amazon on the set? All the apps work, the internet connectivity is fine, but Amazon and Netflix both claim they can't connect. My Xbox360 and Apple TV both work fine on the same network though. I'll probably call Vizio at some point in the next couple days, just haven't had a chance.

I am surprised Vizio would sell a set with such an obvious flaw.

Michael

I see that Vizio has this listed in their hot deals for 1499 right now. I ordered one from Amazon a few days ago at that price.

Rick

I've been watching this thread as well as the M650SVE thread hopeing to see what the more experienced folkds are using for picture settings.

Mine is supposed to be delivered tommorrow (Monday) morning. I bought a stand at IKEA and put it together Saturday and Moved my other components around today so that it's about as ready as I can get. My audio reciever is a pretty old SONY, and doesn't have any HDMI inputs (predates HDMI), but it does have digital optical input which is what I plan to use from the TV to the reciever. This set is replacing a 65inch RPCRT that died a couple of weeks ago.

Any advice on what I should try for settings initally for this set? I'm not sure I understand if I can change the settings for the different modes (ie, Standard, Movie, sports, etc) or if I can only make changes to the "Custom" mode. I do have AVIA, and "Get Grey" calibration DVDs, but I don't think they help with things like "Smooth Motion Effect", "Real Cinema Mode", "Color Enhancement", etc.

In and case some advice on where to start would be appreciated.

Thanks!
Rick

I'm not sure that many memebers here have this set, but mine arrived this morning. I had ordered it from Amazon and it had Free Enhanced delivery.

The guys showed up with the box in the back of a van. Two guys unloaded it and carried up to the room it goes in. They unboxed, put the pedestal stand on and put it onto my TV stand. He connected the antenna, and we started the setup mode. I just skipped part of the set up, so that I could verify the picture and tuner. They were willing to haul away the packaging, but suggested that I keep it for a while incase for some reason it needed to be returned. He told me that they want original packaging for any return. I was actually p[lanning to keep the box myself for just this reason.

All in all I was quite happy with the delivery service provided.

I was also concerned with the potential glare/reflections as that was one comment I had seen in a number of reviews. I have a picture window on the wall to the left of the tv and a patio door farther to the left of the tv. Today was a good test as it was a bright sunny day (unusual here this time of year). I have blinds I closed for both windows, but there is still plaenty of ambient light. While I could see reflections in some areas when i looked for them, they were not any more than I had with the 65in RPCRT this is replacing.

I've mostly just gone in and turned off or down most of the video enhancement features and left it a Standard mode to watch a few recordings from my DVR. I was quite satisifed with this mostly out of the box setup, though I'm sure I'll be doing some tweaking. But I wanted to see how it looked to start with.

I'll post more later this week, with more details on how I have things connected and after I work with tweaking some of the settings. So far I'm satisfied with this set.

Thanks
Rick