Originally Posted by dbals
What speakers did you try it on?
Well my treble-quality "reference setup" is a pair of B&W Nautilus 803's powered by B&O 1000 mono amps (as can be heard in all my videos in all my thread posts).
The best I have ever heard for uber-reference-class was in a dealer audition with B&W 802D's and Classe Delta equipment.
Just how good are the Delta's SNR?
I tried all my speakers with all my amps. So that means: I tried it on PV215's, Athena F1's and B&W Nautilus 803 against XTI-4k's, iTech8k's, EP4k's and my B&O1k's.
Both full-range and on treble.
The winner's were in this order:
#1) B&W 802D's and Classe Delta 600's
#2) B&W Nautilus 803's powered and B&O 1000's
There is no 3rd place, everything else was sub-par, at least 10% worse, including a bunch of Yamaha AVR's that I upgraded away from. But the next closest amp was the iTech 8k as far as treble quality goes if your wondering.
I'm not talking power, they all had crap tonnes of power; more than you could ever use on just highs; clearly it's not a power thing.
I'd love to spend only $400 instead of $4000+ and instead buy an array of LMS Ultra subs (trust me I would have done exactly that), but the difference was too much of a downgrade for me.
I want it to sound like "I'm there quality", the pro amps didn't give that at all.
It will work, of course it will, but that doesn't mean it will sound it's absolute best. Is it worth it? No. Is it better? Yes.The Hi-Fi conundrum is this:
You don't really notice it or miss it until you try it, and then you don't know what you have until its gone; and you'll never want to backstep. You are stuck ever moving higher.But be careful, there are two dangerous camps out there...
One that I swear thinks that a "Bose bass module powered by an HTIB package" is better than an "array of LMS's with top shelf amps and top shelf mains" or some such, but that doesn't make it true, no matter how hard they pretend it to be so.
The second camp out there is almost the complete mirror opposite, they think that because the sticker is X times more costly that it is somehow X times better, which is also just as flawed thinking.
Just because "better gear tends to be more expensive", does not mean that "all gear that is more expensive is automatically better, or even a bit better" :S
You can't really change people's core, so to each their own I guess...
- my 2 cents