Patton and Von Ryan's Express - Page 2

*utters string of expletives that would get him banned from the forum* That's definitely a right and proper re-master.

Looks very very nice !
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Comparing these caps I have to say that a) the new caps look excellent and b) the HUGE difference between the old and the new caps is a complete and utter embarassement for all who were responsible for the first disc, glad I never watched it!
Thanks Fox, disc already ordered.

The Remastered version shall be mine. Oh yes, it shall be mine!

"Pattonized" will henceforth carry new meaning in forums everywhere!

Maybe in 2016 we'll get a reissue of Goldeneye...

One could only hope, but highly doubtful. With the state of home video, things will most likely get worse for the studios not better.

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Patton-Blu-ray/55325/#Review

5/5 from Blu-ray.com (to go along with their 5/5 they gave the original disc )

Big improvement.

For those wondering what difference excessive DNR use makes, this is a textbook example. The amount of fine detail this one resolves over the original transfer is impressive.

"Patton debuts in high definition with an image quality that's simply stunning, far superior to any and all expectations I had for the transfer. The film's 1080p, 2:20:1 framed imagery looks like it was filmed yesterday. The movie screams to be witnessed on a large screen, and I felt my 65" television didn't do the scope of the movie justice. This Blu-ray disc is simply a revelation, and any and all fans of Patton are going to be ecstatic. The transfer is crisp, absolutely pristine, beautiful, and features exquisite detail,[...]"

Quite an enthusiastic review - oh wait, that was for the original disc. Going with the original review this new version clearly has to be UHD and should get at least an 8 out of 5 rating

Now if Universal, Warner and Paramount would also do something about their releases of Spartacus, Battle of the Bulge and Zulu...

I'm confident we'll be seeing a redo of Spartacus from Criterion in the near future. An image they posted on facebook of a list of titles they are working on included Spartacus. When Zulu gets an official release stateside it will hopefully be a redo, rather than just a port of the old UK disc. I'm not very confident about Battle of the Bulge or The Longest Day getting fixed in the near (or far) future.

Anyone see some mild EE in the new transfer though?

I see no EE at all. I see some compression artifacts, like here on the underside of his arm that's holding the stick:

http://www.imagebam.com/image/8a3952217576582

But that looks to me like a side effect of whoever saved that screengrab as a jpeg.

What caps are you seeing EE in?

Little bit, but nothing too objectionable.
I'm happy with what I'm seeing, though perhaps not quite the full glory of 70mm... maybe next format.

Where are you guys seeing EE?

I haven't watched it in person [yet] and I haven't exactly been poring over every available screenshot but I've looked pretty closely at the handful posted here and I'm not seeing anything that sticks out as blatant EE. Which screens are you seeing it in? The only thing I'm seeing is minor compression artifacts, but like I said it looks pretty typical of what would be caused by saving the cap as a jpeg. Then again, I've only seen caps saved as jpegs of the new transfer posted.
Edited by Stinky-Dinkins - 11/5/12 at 9:13pm

Did you use your microscope? Remember that you need to magnify screencaps by around 500% for proper analysis.

But seriously, I'm with you. This transfer looks amazing -- can't wait to get it!!!

Well, for example, this shot has some rather vague edge halos:
http://images2.static-bluray.com/reviews/7020_7_1080p.jpg
or this one http://images.static-bluray.com/reviews/7020_13_1080p.jpg
Like I said, seems very mild when it's detectable.

Gotcha, now that I'm looking at it I can see extraordinarily minor halo'ing in areas like where the sleeve of his saluting arm contrasts against the red stripe of the flag. That being said, it is so miniscule that scrutinizing it becomes an absurd triviality. I'm normally way too anal about these sorts of things (I did more than my fair share of bitching about the original release, which was insane in its DNR overuse) but something like that is so minor it simply would not be evident in playback. Overall, it's such a vast improvement, in every respect, over the previous release that in my opinion it deserves applause rather than any degree of condemnation. There was no financial reason for Fox to go back and give this release the treatment they have given it but I think it's pretty clear they have not only for A/V nuts like us but also for posterity. Our potential double-dips are a drop in the bucket when it comes to their bottom line. No one outside of the A/V niche will appreciate this effort so I think it’s important for us to praise it. Honestly, based on everything I’ve seen it looks fantastic.... not just relative to the previous [lackluster] release but fantastic on its own merit.

I bought the original and was hugely disappointed, it was so overly DNR’ed and waxy it bordered on comical. After hearing it was being given a new transfer minus the insane DNR I preordered it and I’ll have it in the next few days, and based on what I’ve seen so far I’m glad I did. This could’ve easily been a simple re-package “X-anniversary cool stuff!!” edition.

I'm not condemning it BTW, I think it looks very good. Kudos to Fox for righting their screwup.

My comment before about not capturing 70mm quality was more about the format in general rather than this release. I'm always hoping that every new remaster/restoration of a 70mm film will get closer to the incredible visual quality of a good 70mm print, but it always seems to fall a bit short; probably just the limitation of blu-ray's compression.

Are we still going to take off our clothes and mud wrestle? I've been spraying the sand for awhile and I'm already shirtless.

Having lately watched both LoA and Samsara in 4k it was evident that we'll need another format for that, I think an upcoming 4k home medium will be very close if done properly.

Another LD (in a way), I'd imagine. We've passed the point where increased visual fidelity has any appeal to the average consumer... I doubt that will even be marketable to the mainstream.

Will last awhile, but remain esoteric (and expensive).

I'll be there.

For Samsara I want 8K. :-)

That looks amazing and needs to be supported. I seriously hope they go back and do Predator like this. Anybody noticing they took the blues out of the film as well lol. I don't even remember people whining about the color temp being messed with. Film is just not safe these days.

LOL! I was tempted to sit as close as you did but then decided to be reasonable and to only sit at about 0.8 screen WIDTHS away - enough to notice the quality difference between Lawrence and Samsara but not enough to be distracted by aliasing artefacts
Some of the pictures captured in Samsara looked absolutely stunning I have to say and I am not sure I will want to revisit it "only" on a measly Blu-Ray

Unfortunately, I don't see it happening for home video. There is a massive shift from buying to renting and, specifically, cheap renting from the likes or Redbox and Netflix combined with a shift to cheap streaming (and what I can only assume piracy as well).

I don't think there are enough collectors out there that would be willing to pay a massive premium for anything better than 1080p at this point in time.

Sadly, I suspect Blu-Ray is probably the best I will see in mainstream form in my lifetime in terms of overall PQ/AQ/extras. I see streaming/dlgital being a downgrade in quality and features as the studios are just not going to put the effort into the quality since most people will simply stream the cheapest version (Standard Def, or low HD).

I'll be there, too but I agree on the mass market appeal being limited compared to Blu-Ray.
LD prices would be fine with me for a 4k format and unlike ack_bk I just see as a natural progression from Blu-Ray by now, the studios will have to do something at some point to sell us all those movies again and the hardware manufacturers will want a complete new format at some point, too.

Have you seen how many billions Sony, Panasonic, Sharp (Sharp most likely is going under), etc have been losing lately? With the vast majority of those losses attributed to HDTV? 3D for the home did not invigorate anything.

Perhaps we could see a 4K format in the next 5-10 years but I suspect it will be a very pricey one and not really priced for mainstream users. The other problem we have is that DVD, and even Blu-Ray, pricing have spoiled collectors. Most people are not willing to pay more than $10-20 for a catalog title. If you had to go back to LD style pricing, I am not sure the response from collectors would be there.

I see it being about as successful as 3D is right now. People here bitch and moan about a little bit of EE and DNR on some sub $10 titles, can you imagine the outcry if the studios released a 4K transfer that cost $200 with any flaws?

Being as successful as 3D would be enough for the serious collector, after all we would not get every title that is on Blu-Ray in 4k but just the cream of the crop. I expect the ratio to be similar to what we see today with titles out on Blu-Ray vs titles out on DVD.
There will always be nitpicking and I do not see a problem with this, there will be enough people who will buy 4k just because it is the latest and greatest and that is fine with me.

I am a glass half full guy with regard to 4k, I have seen what it can do and peoples reaction to it and I am convinced there is a market for it, in the long run it will come anyway and the interesting question for me is rather if we can have it sooner.

CEI is actually pretty happy w/3D sales; even tho I'm not!
[altho too many 3D set owners don't know they have 3D/just like when new HD set owners didn't know they only had SD sources hooked up]

The prob is & has always been the STUPID margins CE is working (not working actually) on.
Pioneer NEVER made $$$ sell KURO's!!!
Each & every set was sold at a loss; how do you do that?!?!
(yep, KURO added prestige too the line/butt really, not even break even, a loss???)
So CEI are selling sets, at good #'s, just at almost no profit.
Sammy said the heck w/it & are charging a bit more & making $$$.
[disclaimer: I'm a Sammy owner]
http://www.bizcommunity.com/Article/196/574/84713.html

Sooooo, the-moral-of-the-story-is, if your incredibly stupid and sell below cost you'll loss $$$!
Really!!