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post #301 of 790
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Originally Posted by garrickb View Post

Should I use spades for the speaker connections? I noticed that some of the speakers I've looked at have an angled connection. I'm not sure if the banana plugs I get will fit.

Any reason not to get these? http://www.amazon.com/Sewell-Silverback-Banana-Plugs-Screw/dp/B005BT2KJE/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1358188407&sr=1-3&keywords=sewell+banana+plugs

I have angled connections and use similar bananas with no problem. Spade vs banana is a user choice. I prefer banana for ease of use on the back of an AVR.
post #302 of 790
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Originally Posted by davboy View Post

I have not heard the Jamo's, but they were what I was originally going to try until I stumbled upon all the rave reviews on the Pioneers. Looks like you can get them for a great price, I would grab them!

I went to BB to check outs Pioneers, with the hope of purchasing them. When I looked at the bookshelf's, I noticed that they don't have a way to mount them. I'm not sure if stands are the way to go or spend more on surrounds that can mount on the wall. :/
post #303 of 790
Hey everyone - just pulled the trigger on one of these. Two quick questions:

  • Any input lag for HDMI signals? Has/can anyone test this using SMTT or similar? I want to run an Xbox 360 through this without lag.
  • How's the night mode compared to something like Audyssey Dynamic Volume? Same question for the auto-calibration as well.
post #304 of 790
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Originally Posted by MUDCAT45 View Post

I have angled connections and use similar bananas with no problem. Spade vs banana is a user choice. I prefer banana for ease of use on the back of an AVR.

Thanks for the feedback. I looked at banana plugs way too long for something that will rarely be seen. I ended up getting these: http://www.amazon.com/Sewell-Deadbolt-Banana-Fast-Lock-Technology/dp/B006U3O566/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1358200200&sr=8-1&keywords=sewell+banana+plugs
post #305 of 790
Let me start with two things:

1) I am not an audiophile. I am building a basement and have started (prematurely) with building my theater electronics. My current system upstairs is a 55" Sony Bravia LED, Sony BD and a Sony Soundbar. Sounds good for my small family room. Cannot wait to turn it up a notch.

2) I bought the HK AVR1700 today (BB for $199, in-store p/u only), based on reviews from Amazon, BestBuy and here. Amazingly, CNET and Crutchfield and the rest of the Universe don't know this exists.

I walked into the BB store about 45 minutes from my home (because this item could not be delivered, for some reason) and started talking to an older gent about my plans for my basement. After a quick qualifying chat, he guided me to the Sharp 70" I'll consider hanging and then alerted me to the fact that he's really an "audio guy". With that, I hesitantly handed him my pick-up paperwork on the H/K and he proceeded to put on his reading specs and looked it over. He tried not to show his distaste for my purchase, but the shaking of his head and marked silence made it obvious. He asked what led me to my choice and I stated the reviews and the internet evidence and all of the superficial data I could muster. He walked over to the floor model and asked me to pick it up. I knew it would be light, because that feature, aside from the oft-bitched "ET Phone Home" knob light is the biggest differentiating factor between this and other Amps (pre-amp, amp, not sure the diff). Anyway, I picked it up, he was delighted. Because then he walked me to a Yamaha and asked for me to do the same. I did. About a 50-70% difference in weight. Wow! So, please let me know if I'm not an idiot, because I find it hard to believe that the heavier an object corresponds to the quality of an object (unless we're talking about a bar of gold). He then talked about the quality you could "feel" and that ALL of the other products are much better quality because you could literally FEEL the difference. At this point I waited for him to hit the buttons and turn the Yamaha up louder than the rest to prove his point, but he didn't. I told him this is my first Amplifier and it is mainly for my small basement theater, not to impress Steve Lillywhite. *The salesman was actually very nice and seemed knowledgable, so I don't mean to besmirch his expertise or profession.

So I own a H/K AVR1700 Amp. I was originally leaning on the 700, but this one is now cheaper (??!?). I don't need all of the latest "smart" features because I can get all of that in my TV and my BR and my AppleTV. But I'm not going to pass up a great deal.

My only rub is, this will remain boxed until March/April. My plan is to buy components as I finish my basement. This one popped first. I will continue to collect parts and pieces until I plug it all in and have a giant Griswald lighting up party.

To all you "experts": If this thing sucks, and it doesn't work, and sounds like crap, and is worthless - I hold you ALL personally responsible. I will curse each of your e-names and curse no HDMI-passthrough on each of you.

But if it works as you all have convinced me it will, then my $199 will be well-spent and I will thank you all in a mass appreciation gesture most people will hear as a near-silent "thank God" under my breath.

Take care. Get your flu shot. God Speed.
post #306 of 790
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Originally Posted by mono2dolby View Post

Let me start with two things:

1) I am not an audiophile. I am building a basement and have started (prematurely) with building my theater electronics. My current system upstairs is a 55" Sony Bravia LED, Sony BD and a Sony Soundbar. Sounds good for my small family room. Cannot wait to turn it up a notch.

2) I bought the HK AVR1700 today (BB for $199, in-store p/u only), based on reviews from Amazon, BestBuy and here. Amazingly, CNET and Crutchfield and the rest of the Universe don't know this exists.

I walked into the BB store about 45 minutes from my home (because this item could not be delivered, for some reason) and started talking to an older gent about my plans for my basement. After a quick qualifying chat, he guided me to the Sharp 70" I'll consider hanging and then alerted me to the fact that he's really an "audio guy". With that, I hesitantly handed him my pick-up paperwork on the H/K and he proceeded to put on his reading specs and looked it over. He tried not to show his distaste for my purchase, but the shaking of his head and marked silence made it obvious. He asked what led me to my choice and I stated the reviews and the internet evidence and all of the superficial data I could muster. He walked over to the floor model and asked me to pick it up. I knew it would be light, because that feature, aside from the oft-bitched "ET Phone Home" knob light is the biggest differentiating factor between this and other Amps (pre-amp, amp, not sure the diff). Anyway, I picked it up, he was delighted. Because then he walked me to a Yamaha and asked for me to do the same. I did. About a 50-70% difference in weight. Wow! So, please let me know if I'm not an idiot, because I find it hard to believe that the heavier an object corresponds to the quality of an object (unless we're talking about a bar of gold). He then talked about the quality you could "feel" and that ALL of the other products are much better quality because you could literally FEEL the difference. At this point I waited for him to hit the buttons and turn the Yamaha up louder than the rest to prove his point, but he didn't. I told him this is my first Amplifier and it is mainly for my small basement theater, not to impress Steve Lillywhite. *The salesman was actually very nice and seemed knowledgable, so I don't mean to besmirch his expertise or profession.

So I own a H/K AVR1700 Amp. I was originally leaning on the 700, but this one is now cheaper (??!?). I don't need all of the latest "smart" features because I can get all of that in my TV and my BR and my AppleTV. But I'm not going to pass up a great deal.

My only rub is, this will remain boxed until March/April. My plan is to buy components as I finish my basement. This one popped first. I will continue to collect parts and pieces until I plug it all in and have a giant Griswald lighting up party.

To all you "experts": If this thing sucks, and it doesn't work, and sounds like crap, and is worthless - I hold you ALL personally responsible. I will curse each of your e-names and curse no HDMI-passthrough on each of you.

But if it works as you all have convinced me it will, then my $199 will be well-spent and I will thank you all in a mass appreciation gesture most people will hear as a near-silent "thank God" under my breath.

Take care. Get your flu shot. God Speed.

You won't hold ME responsible because I recommend you return it. Letting it sit for 2-3 months while the warranty is wasted makes no sense to me. Something better and cheaper will pop up. It always does, especially in March/April.
post #307 of 790
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post #308 of 790
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Originally Posted by mono2dolby View Post

Let me start with two things:

1) I am not an audiophile. I am building a basement and have started (prematurely) with building my theater electronics. My current system upstairs is a 55" Sony Bravia LED, Sony BD and a Sony Soundbar. Sounds good for my small family room. Cannot wait to turn it up a notch.

2) I bought the HK AVR1700 today (BB for $199, in-store p/u only), based on reviews from Amazon, BestBuy and here. Amazingly, CNET and Crutchfield and the rest of the Universe don't know this exists.

I walked into the BB store about 45 minutes from my home (because this item could not be delivered, for some reason) and started talking to an older gent about my plans for my basement. After a quick qualifying chat, he guided me to the Sharp 70" I'll consider hanging and then alerted me to the fact that he's really an "audio guy". With that, I hesitantly handed him my pick-up paperwork on the H/K and he proceeded to put on his reading specs and looked it over. He tried not to show his distaste for my purchase, but the shaking of his head and marked silence made it obvious. He asked what led me to my choice and I stated the reviews and the internet evidence and all of the superficial data I could muster. He walked over to the floor model and asked me to pick it up. I knew it would be light, because that feature, aside from the oft-bitched "ET Phone Home" knob light is the biggest differentiating factor between this and other Amps (pre-amp, amp, not sure the diff). Anyway, I picked it up, he was delighted. Because then he walked me to a Yamaha and asked for me to do the same. I did. About a 50-70% difference in weight. Wow! So, please let me know if I'm not an idiot, because I find it hard to believe that the heavier an object corresponds to the quality of an object (unless we're talking about a bar of gold). He then talked about the quality you could "feel" and that ALL of the other products are much better quality because you could literally FEEL the difference. At this point I waited for him to hit the buttons and turn the Yamaha up louder than the rest to prove his point, but he didn't. I told him this is my first Amplifier and it is mainly for my small basement theater, not to impress Steve Lillywhite. *The salesman was actually very nice and seemed knowledgable, so I don't mean to besmirch his expertise or profession.

So I own a H/K AVR1700 Amp. I was originally leaning on the 700, but this one is now cheaper (??!?). I don't need all of the latest "smart" features because I can get all of that in my TV and my BR and my AppleTV. But I'm not going to pass up a great deal.

My only rub is, this will remain boxed until March/April. My plan is to buy components as I finish my basement. This one popped first. I will continue to collect parts and pieces until I plug it all in and have a giant Griswald lighting up party.

To all you "experts": If this thing sucks, and it doesn't work, and sounds like crap, and is worthless - I hold you ALL personally responsible. I will curse each of your e-names and curse no HDMI-passthrough on each of you.

But if it works as you all have convinced me it will, then my $199 will be well-spent and I will thank you all in a mass appreciation gesture most people will hear as a near-silent "thank God" under my breath.

Take care. Get your flu shot. God Speed.

Why don't you take the receiver back and get a refund? Make a list of the features you want and need. You can find something else in 3 months when you're actually ready to hook up your system. I love the part where you're gonna blame everybody else for your decision. That's taking responsibility. Great!
post #309 of 790
Guys, I'm pretty sure he was just joking around and being sarcastic. I don't think he actually intends on blaming anyone for his own purchase. I think the whole "cursing your e-names with no HDMI passthrough" is the giveaway here. All he wants to know is if he got a good quality item and if it was worth the $199 he plunked down for it, despite it being so much lighter than other receivers. I can see his concern about the weight - I was shocked when I picked mine up from the store and it was so light.

That said, I see a lot of things about this having an OSD and I worry that means potential input lag, what with rebuilding the HDMI stream. Can anyone tell me if they've tested input lag with this receiver?
post #310 of 790
mono2dolby:

When you are stating a joke, it's best to add a emoticon to the end of the paragraph so the moderators don't get complaint posts about "out of line" comments. It makes everyone's life easier. smile.gif
post #311 of 790
About input lag, I don't do FPS gaming so I really didn't test the fraction of seconds lag between video and audio or may be I didn't try hard to notice the lag.. now that I mention it, I will probably start noticing it or try to notice it smile.gif.
One observation I have noticed may help you in determining if its input lag or not, is that my dish network receiver is connected directly to the TV via a 50' HDMI cable to the TV and the optical out goes directly to the receiver. When both the TV speaker and receiver are turned on, I hear an echo, probably because the audio data path are different and there is a noticeable lag between the two audio output. I have not tried to determine which one comes first. But for me, when I want surround, I usually set the TV speaker sound to zero
post #312 of 790
Set this guy up over the weekend and have a couple questions. But first wanted to mention this was the easiest receiver I've set up...after reading through the online manual.

I haven't looked through all the settings, but is there a way to disable the on screen popup when you adjust the volume?

For some reason I cannot turn the receiver on with my universal remote. I can turn it off via the remote...and adjust the volume, etc. But I need to use the receivers remote to turn it on. Any ideas on that one?

I did run the EQ speaker set up, and it did get pretty damn loud during it. Testing it out with the first movie I watched I found myself adjusting the volume throughout. Some parts were really loud so I had to turn it down, then some parts I couldn't hear the dialogue so I had to turn it up. Is there any settings to level that out?

Also If I wanted to adjust the center channel volume after I run the setup, will it negate all of the Ezset/eq?
post #313 of 790
WOW! My apologies to the forum. You guys are a sensitive bunch. I should have put little "emoticon" smileys all over my original post. I think you would have then realized that I meant no harm or disrespect and could never, ever hold anyone responsible for my purchasing decisions (because its impossible). smile.gif

If I disrupted the AVS Forum's equilibrium in the way I posted my experience on the Harmon Kardon AVR1700 topic then again, I apologize.

There are scarcely any professional or expert reviews on this HK. With the exception of user reviews and forums, its hard to get any sort of objective data. In spite of the friendly remarks to the contrary, I will be keeping my HK in the box and I'll fire it up when my basement is completed. The decision to do so is based more on cash flow than anything else. From what I've been able to gather, this unit is great. I don't think I'll have any regrets. I will gladly hold myself accountable for this decision. Don't worry guys...you're off the hook. smile.gif
post #314 of 790
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Originally Posted by A-Pac View Post

Set this guy up over the weekend and have a couple questions. But first wanted to mention this was the easiest receiver I've set up...after reading through the online manual.

I haven't looked through all the settings, but is there a way to disable the on screen popup when you adjust the volume?

For some reason I cannot turn the receiver on with my universal remote. I can turn it off via the remote...and adjust the volume, etc. But I need to use the receivers remote to turn it on. Any ideas on that one?

I did run the EQ speaker set up, and it did get pretty damn loud during it. Testing it out with the first movie I watched I found myself adjusting the volume throughout. Some parts were really loud so I had to turn it down, then some parts I couldn't hear the dialogue so I had to turn it up. Is there any settings to level that out?

Also If I wanted to adjust the center channel volume after I run the setup, will it negate all of the Ezset/eq?

HK uses (2) power codes 1 for ON and 1 for OFF...
Sounds like your brand of universal remote only included the OFF code..
I know that the Logitech/Harmony brand universal remote controls include both...

Just my $0.02... wink.gif
post #315 of 790
Wow, the people that took that seriously need to pop a Midol and relax.

This receiver is super light because it is using a light-weight, more efficient power supply. The Yamaha was probably using the older type.

I've been super happy with the 1700. I did have some lip sync issues, but that is adjustable in the OSD. I haven't noticed any game lag.
post #316 of 790
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Originally Posted by M Code View Post

HK uses (2) power codes 1 for ON and 1 for OFF...
Sounds like your brand of universal remote only included the OFF code..
I know that the Logitech/Harmony brand universal remote controls include both...

Also HK can be turned ON by selecting an input source button... Try that.

Just my $0.02... wink.gif
post #317 of 790
I have a Harman Kardon AVR-630, which sounds fantastic, weighs about 40lbs and cost $1299 new 10 years ago. It doesn't have HDMI capabilities or any of the latest sound decoding. Would there be any benefit to upgrading to this receiver (AVR1700) or would I be taking a hit in sound quality? My #1 concern is 2 channel sound quality.
post #318 of 790
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Originally Posted by Happs View Post

I have a Harman Kardon AVR-630, which sounds fantastic, weighs about 40lbs and cost $1299 new 10 years ago. It doesn't have HDMI capabilities or any of the latest sound decoding. Would there be any benefit to upgrading to this receiver (AVR1700) or would I be taking a hit in sound quality? My #1 concern is 2 channel sound quality.
I also own HK AVR 254 which is 34lb. The AVR 254 is rated 50W RMS per channel with 7.1 mode. AVR1700 is 100W rated per channel with 2 channel mode. To me sound quality is exactly same as before. Its more power than AVR 254 (at least to my ear by keeping them at equivalent volume settings -30db). I dont have fancy SPL measurement too to verify that as well. It can be placebo as well. But by going greener, I lengthened my AVR 254's life. Now its relegated to basement in an open space and much more cooler environment than the coat closet. Now the coat closet which doesn't have any dedicated cooling fan (except that I changed from solid door to the vented louver door) has the AVR1700 which runs much much cooler. AVR254 has pre-outs for each channel. When I have more green bucks I will add more towers as surrounds, center channel and a dedicated subwoofer.. and may be dedicated amplifier like parasound, emotiva (I followed advice of this forum of buying receivers last time with pre-out for future upgrade-ability).
post #319 of 790
And my 1700 replaced an avr 330. Same amazing sound. I was worried about that.

For me it's a major upgrade because ezset has eq on the the 1700 and now I'm able to hear dolby dig plus, dd true hd, etc...
post #320 of 790
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Originally Posted by mix1983 View Post

Wow, the people that took that seriously need to pop a Midol and relax.

i was thinking the same, you put it better than i would have. biggrin.gif
though i question his choice of leaving it in the box for a couple of mths
i'd pull that bad boy out and check it out, pronto.

@apac: if you have a learning remote, teach the off command to another button is all you need
though i use the avr 1700 remote as my universal remote, i sort of like it (other than no learning feature)

one thing i figured out yesterday is that if you hold the remote off button until the receiver says ''bye'' it puts the receiver in eco standby mode. from the manual i thought this was a receiver button function only. does anyone know the difference in watts from standby to eco standby mode? i have a smart power strip that turns off all parasitic loads when the main component is turned off. the smart strip wouldn't turn off everything unless the receiver is in eco standby mode. the manual indicates <0.5 watts in eco standby mode
post #321 of 790
Anyone who says they are an 'audio-guy' at a big box store is already at a credibility disadvantage. The fact that they questioned your purchase and proceeded to attempt to equat weight to quality is ridiculous but not surprising. It's like someone who calls himself an 'IT-guy' showing you how to protect your computer and then opens up McAfee.

btw, I understand that the general consensus is that EZ-Set sucks. I just wondered if it was that big of an issue? I understand that it's a supposed feature, but is it THAT critical? Your crossovers should be set by the speakers, distances can be measured within 2 minutes using a tape measurer. Shouldn't you be able to adjust the individual levels just by listening to it? Not being sarcastic, I'm just wondering why setting it up with a microphone is better than setting it up by using your ear.
post #322 of 790
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Originally Posted by butie120 View Post

Is this true? Any way to confirm this? If so, I may be giving this a second look. I know it's no Audyssey, but the price is far more reasonable.

IIRC all HKs do bass mgmt since the introduction of EZSet/EQ... which Audyssey are you talking about, MultEQ XT32, MultEQ XT, MultEQ (forget 2EQ)?
XT32 is definitely better, XT is probably a wash and I'd certainly put EZSetEQ above MultEQ because (to me my sub sounded definitely much more equal, better all around my living room during the short period of life I've spent with my then-new AVR 354 than with my current Denon 2309CI (I've returned the 354 due to its HDMI bugs) despite using 3-4 measuring points in MultEQ vs single one in EZSetEQ.
post #323 of 790
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Originally Posted by brshoemak View Post

btw, I understand that the general consensus is that EZ-Set sucks.

That must be a consensus utterly clueless people made - but in reality EZSetEQ is completely OK, it's just not as advanced as some high-end room correction solutions which are now included even in mid-level AVRs.
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I just wondered if it was that big of an issue? I understand that it's a supposed feature, but is it THAT critical? Your crossovers should be set by the speakers, distances can be measured within 2 minutes using a tape measurer. Shouldn't you be able to adjust the individual levels just by listening to it? Not being sarcastic, I'm just wondering why setting it up with a microphone is better than setting it up by using your ear.

Room correction can do a lot more than just leveling but again, 3-4 years ago EZSetEQ in AVR 354 was already better than MultEQ in Denon's 2309CI, in the same room, with same speaker setup, during same tests, I can tell you that. Now how they measure up today that's a different story + most $600-700 receivers now come with MultEQ XT, I believe, which supposed to be better than MultEQ by default...
post #324 of 790
I agree he should take it out and at least run it for a while even if its with crappy speakers. It would suck to find out its a defective unit or not what you wanted/expected after its too late.
post #325 of 790
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Originally Posted by T2k View Post

That must be a consensus utterly clueless people made - but in reality EZSetEQ is completely OK, it's just not as advanced as some high-end room correction solutions which are now included even in mid-level AVRs.
Room correction can do a lot more than just leveling but again, 3-4 years ago EZSetEQ in AVR 354 was already better than MultEQ in Denon's 2309CI, in the same room, with same speaker setup, during same tests, I can tell you that. Now how they measure up today that's a different story + most $600-700 receivers now come with MultEQ XT, I believe, which supposed to be better than MultEQ by default...


Audyssey has added certain notable refinements over the years..
However the bigger mystery to me for HK is...
Why don't they integrate their EZSet/EQ II that was used in the higher end AVRs and JBL components. This was developed by Dr.Toole's R&D team and was the 1st software to EQ (2) subwoofers independently, available about 7 years ago...
Long before other brands were even talking about > 1 subwoofer.. confused.gif

This software measured both near-field (capability of loudspeakers) and far-field (listening position), also they had multiple presets in case the user wanted 1 setup for video and 1 for music. Also what many users don't grasp is that many AVRs today have (2) sub woofer outputs but they are actually are in parallel the same thing can be done with a $1.49 Radio Shack Y connector.. cool.gif

Things have continued to evolve as more powerful processors have become available and now we have the incredible Trinnov system used in pro audio for many years now ported over to a consumer product..

Just my $0.02.. wink.gif
post #326 of 790
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That must be a consensus utterly clueless people made - but in reality EZSetEQ is completely OK, it's just not as advanced as some high-end room correction solutions which are now included even in mid-level AVRs. Room correction can do a lot more than just leveling but again, 3-4 years ago EZSetEQ in AVR 354 was already better than MultEQ in Denon's 2309CI, in the same room, with same speaker setup, during same tests, I can tell you that. Now how they measure up today that's a different story + most $600-700 receivers now come with MultEQ XT, I believe, which supposed to be better than MultEQ by default...

I started the EZSet process but chickened-out after it got VERY loud. I'm running it on a set of Harman Kardon HKTS60s and it scares me a little to do that on a $1000 set of speakers. Am I being overly cautious with this whole thing and it is supposed to get terribly loud?

Lastly, (and I'll prove more ignorance with this comment so be kind), should I "break-in" these speakers before taking them too loud? I know/think it can add some character to speakers, but don't know if it might help them be less likely to be damaged during use (or EZSet). Please feel free to correct any misconceptions on my part.
post #327 of 790
I am using little cheap speakers (I think theyre Coby brand or something) for my rears right now that can handle maybe 30 watts and EZset didn't blow them up, I think your speakers will be just fine. It does get loud, to the point the cheap speakers were crackling a bit. But it didn't blow them.
post #328 of 790
OK. I caved (a bit) and cracked open the box and plugged it in. Surprise! It turns on! smile.gif That's a good sign.

I have no speakers. Like, none. Maybe a little set for my computer upstairs and a little sub that came with it. I think I'm about as far as I can go.

I rotated thru the different source settings. Pushed every button and made sure it "worked." Yep, worked silent. This test was last done on Christmas day by an 8-year old after working 16 hours straight. Not really. Sorry guys...smile.gif

It powers up. It has different functions. It is what it is.

Next up: Energy Take Classic 5.1 speakers. When a sale pops I'll secure them. Probably months early. I won't leave them in the box. I'll plug them into my new (now old) HK.
post #329 of 790
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Originally Posted by M Code View Post

Audyssey has added certain notable refinements over the years..
However the bigger mystery to me for HK is...
Why don't they integrate their EZSet/EQ II that was used in the higher end AVRs and JBL components. This was developed by Dr.Toole's R&D team and was the 1st software to EQ (2) subwoofers independently, available about 7 years ago...
Long before other brands were even talking about > 1 subwoofer.. confused.gif

This software measured both near-field (capability of loudspeakers) and far-field (listening position), also they had multiple presets in case the user wanted 1 setup for video and 1 for music. Also what many users don't grasp is that many AVRs today have (2) sub woofer outputs but they are actually are in parallel the same thing can be done with a $1.49 Radio Shack Y connector.. cool.gif

Things have continued to evolve as more powerful processors have become available and now we have the incredible Trinnov system used in pro audio for many years now ported over to a consumer product..

Just my $0.02.. wink.gif

I guess they were trying to protect their high-profit premium product line? Problem is that they are surely losing this war against others who are integrating better and better solutions at an ever-lower price point... I guess we know what will be the new feature in the x80-series next year? wink.gif

BTW it seems MultEQ and MultEQ XT only differ in satellite filters so I would say EZSetEQ is still a match unless you like deafening, totally uneven bass in your unmeasured spots...
post #330 of 790
I used the airplay feature last night with pandora. Its neatly implemented. When you select the receiver as output from iPad or any other iOs device the receiver wakes up from standby and starts to play automatically. When I deselect the receiver in airplay it automatically goes to standby. No fiddling with remote needed.
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