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post #691 of 785
Ok, I will test using the optical cable and see if this can be replicated. I need to order one from monoprice,so might take 4-5 days. (May be coming weekend).
post #692 of 785
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Originally Posted by Jen Gosk View Post

Thank you- I will try to toggle the remote to get the Vtuner to appear. Additionally, do you mean I should run a hard wire ethernet connection from my wifi- router to the HK unit and try to set it up that way and then disconnect that and see if the wifi adapter works. I tried to by-pass using an ethernet cable due to not having to run it across my entire living-room that is why I have the netgear adapter plugged into place on the back of the HK unit.
I have already set up an acct with radio harmon kardon on my laptop computer with the Mac address given and I have a log in. thanks again,

yes, bypass the network adapter and hook up with ethernet cable. you can just put the receiver next to your router and use the display on the receiver to confirm the connection. it should say connecting and when it connects it will go to your favorites folder. push the ok button to open your favorites and select any station you have in your favorites folder or toggle down with the arrow keys to the other options: added stations, genres, location, etc. one thing nice about the 1700 is that you can use the display on the receiver to set up everything without needing a monitor to see the osd. if you don't connect go in to your router setup and see if your router can see it in the dhcp client table. i have a linksys e2000 router i find the client table under status/local network/dhcp client table. if you can't see it in the client table your router isn't seeing it.
post #693 of 785
So, when using the optical cable, hdmi audio turned off - still the same issue. I see the lag when using netflix (on htpc,MintOS).
This unit is !keeper.
post #694 of 785
Greetings.
Can anyone comment on audio quality (music) difference between HK AVR 1700 and Yamaha AVR 473? Sorry if this has been asked before.
post #695 of 785
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Originally Posted by pulsarvp View Post

Greetings.
Can anyone comment on audio quality (music) difference between HK AVR 1700 and Yamaha AVR 473? Sorry if this has been asked before.

Harman receivers are known for their warmer sound (better for music) and Yamaha's are known to be brighter sounding (better for movies). I personally prefer H/K receivers due to most of my listening is music.
post #696 of 785
Not sure if anyone has run across the recent Home Theater review of this receiver or not, but here is a brief excerpt of their summary (and it's not that good):

"...The Harman Kardon AVR 1700 is a mixed bag. On the positive side, its Apple and network audio functionality is comprehensive if you include the optional Bluetooth adapter, and the Harman Media Manager app is a unique plus. When used strictly as a two-channel amp, the receiver had its moments of beauty. But it also has troubling weaknesses: Its room correction works poorly, at least in my room, and the only way to get around it is with a full system reset, which wipes out all your settings. The lack of a pure audio mode that bypasses the room correction only exacerbates the problem. Also frustrating is the remote’s inability to switch surround modes on the fly unless you’re willing to obliterate whatever you’re watching with the onscreen interface. Uncluttering the receiver is a worthy goal, but Harman seems to have thrown out the baby with the bath water."

Even worse, here are the bench test figures for the AVR1700, as measured by HT:

HT Labs Measures
Two channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 96.7 watts
1% distortion at 108.9 watts

Five channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 32.8 watts
1% distortion at 39.5 watts

About the best specification that was posted by HT's bench test was the signal to noise ratio, which measured in at almost -117 dBrA.
post #697 of 785
If you read some reviews online in the recent years the H/K receivers have had their quality suffer quite a bit.
I am no stranger to this issue.
I recently returned my second avr2650 with is the 2012 mid range model AVR.
When it worked I loved it, but when it failed, it failed bad.
post #698 of 785
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Originally Posted by Exist_To_Resist View Post

If you read some reviews online in the recent years the H/K receivers have had their quality suffer quite a bit.
I am no stranger to this issue.
I recently returned my second avr2650 with is the 2012 mid range model AVR.
When it worked I loved it, but when it failed, it failed bad.

It's really a shame, too, because I was a huge H/K fan through the 80s, 90s, and even to the mid-2000s (right up until their AVR-x45 Series line). After that, the flagships disappeared and the quality and power went down. It's been said that all good things come to an end, and I guess it's true. Unfortunately for audiophiles like us on this forum, the dynamics of the way people listen to music has changed to the point where people just don't sit down to seriously listen to music anymore (and I'm speaking of the masses as a whole) like they used to. There's more emphasis nowadays on video, 3D, streaming, etc. I'm glad I'm still one of those who cares about the experience of thoughtful listening and trying to get the best out of a system that my money can buy, even if it's not the best that's on the market.
post #699 of 785
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Originally Posted by N2AUDIO View Post

It's really a shame, too, because I was a huge H/K fan through the 80s, 90s, and even to the mid-2000s (right up until their AVR-x45 Series line). After that, the flagships disappeared and the quality and power went down. It's been said that all good things come to an end, and I guess it's true. Unfortunately for audiophiles like us on this forum, the dynamics of the way people listen to music has changed to the point where people just don't sit down to seriously listen to music anymore (and I'm speaking of the masses as a whole) like they used to. There's more emphasis nowadays on video, 3D, streaming, etc. I'm glad I'm still one of those who cares about the experience of thoughtful listening and trying to get the best out of a system that my money can buy, even if it's not the best that's on the market.

I agree I regarded the H/K hardware as one of the best in the market, and after failing me I have to now find an alternative.
Much like yourself I really enjoy listening to Music but also like to have connectivity for digital media of all types.
Between my record collection and a media server I need an all round system that will connect to a plethora of services and it seems that H/K is falling further and further behind the competition.
It's a shame because as a young man I always dreamed of owning a H/K device, and once I had spare coin to splurge on one my dreams were crushed.
post #700 of 785
Be advised that about 5 1/2 years ago Harman/Kardon transferred their entire AVR & electronics development function to China from California. The AVR team based in California had well over 250 man/years in AVR development experience and had designed some incredible AVRs for HK, Marantz, Denon, Onkyo and Yamaha in their tenure. The HK AVRs have been built in China since the late 1990s, but now they are entirely designed/built in China...

Just my $0.02... 👍😉
post #701 of 785
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Originally Posted by N2AUDIO View Post

Not sure if anyone has run across the recent Home Theater review of this receiver or not, but here is a brief excerpt of their summary (and it's not that good):

"

HT Labs Measures
Two channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 96.7 watts
1% distortion at 108.9 watts

Five channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 32.8 watts
1% distortion at 39.5 watts

About the best specification that was posted by HT's bench test was the signal to noise ratio, which measured in at almost -117 dBrA.

N2AUDIO, can you please explain these figure to me?
I dont understand. Distortion is higher than advertised? Power is lower?
Thanks
post #702 of 785
It means your receiver only puts out about 33 watts/channel when driving 5 speakers. That may or may not be enough power for your needs. Depends on room size, sensitivity of your speakers, whether there is a subwoofer in the mix, and also how loud you play your system.
post #703 of 785
I've been enjoying mine for the $200 I spent.
post #704 of 785
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Originally Posted by afrogt View Post

It means your receiver only puts out about 33 watts/channel when driving 5 speakers..

Not my receiver anymore, thank god. I cold tolerate it for 2 weeks before I returned it to Best Buy. The reasons were different from power discrepancy. No manufacturer posts power for a 5 channel setup. If they say 100W, that means 100W stereo. So even though they do not specify 100W stereo they dont mislead us because they ALL use the same benchmark setup. My beef was with overall quality.

I guess my frustration with this receiver comes from the fact that I could not find it at the price most of you got it - $200. I paid $349. In all honesty it was worth about $100. I completely agree with the review N2AUDIO posted:

"... Harman seems to have thrown out the baby with the bath water."
Edited by grigorianvlad - 4/24/13 at 3:00pm
post #705 of 785
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Originally Posted by M Code View Post

Be advised that about 5 1/2 years ago Harman/Kardon transferred their entire AVR & electronics development function to China from California. The AVR team based in California had well over 250 man/years in AVR development experience and had designed some incredible AVRs for HK, Marantz, Denon, Onkyo and Yamaha in their tenure. The HK AVRs have been built in China since the late 1990s, but now they are entirely designed/built in China...

Just my $0.02... 👍😉

I agree with you except the transfer of the design team occurred in 2009. If you notice, the way H/K changed the way they spec'd their receivers from an all channels driven model to 2 channels driven to inflate output power between the avr X600 series and the avr X650 series.
post #706 of 785
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Originally Posted by grigorianvlad View Post

Not my receiver anymore, thank god. I cold tolerate it for 2 weeks before I returned it to Best Buy. The reasons were different from power discrepancy. No manufacturer posts power for a 5 channel setup. If they say 100W, that means 100W stereo. So even though they do not specify 100W stereo they dont mislead us because they ALL use the same benchmark setup. My beef was with overall quality.

I guess my frustration with this receiver comes from the fact that I could not find it at the price most of you got it - $200. I paid $349. In all honesty it was worth about $100. I completely agree with the review N2AUDIO posted:

"... Harman seems to have thrown out the baby with the bath water."

Are you "Walter" from amazon review? I have been using this receiver for 3-4 months and I have not seen any of the issues he mentioned in his review.
post #707 of 785
A quick question.
Is it OK to mix 6 and 8 ohm speakers for a 5.1 setup? 6 or fronts, the rest are 8.
Thanks.
post #708 of 785
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Originally Posted by cnewsgrp View Post

Are you "Walter" from amazon review? I have been using this receiver for 3-4 months and I have not seen any of the issues he mentioned in his review.

Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. I am glad you are enjoying yours.
post #709 of 785
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Originally Posted by Wiendog View Post

I've been enjoying mine for the $200 I spent.

same here, i bought 2 @ $199 and paid the $39 extra for the 4 yr warranty
i assume i will collect on both warranties by the end of the 4 yrs biggrin.gif
post #710 of 785
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Originally Posted by pulsarvp View Post

A quick question.
Is it OK to mix 6 and 8 ohm speakers for a 5.1 setup? 6 or fronts, the rest are 8.
Thanks.

No problem...


Just my $0.02... 👍😉
post #711 of 785
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Originally Posted by corchid View Post

I agree with you except the transfer of the design team occurred in 2009. If you notice, the way H/K changed the way they spec'd their receivers from an all channels driven model to 2 channels driven to inflate output power between the avr X600 series and the avr X650 series.

You left out a couple of things..
  • The amplifier design team was shut down in August 2008, this team did all of the AVRs' amplifiers and component amplifiers. This team was highly experienced with many sucessful products including the Citation 16
  • The Harmans (CEO & president) retired in Fall, 2008
  • (5) New VPs were hired in Fall, 2008 @ big $ but none had any CE experience


Bottom line..
Check out their financials and market share since 2008...
The results or lack of, stand on their own.... rolleyes.gif

Just my $0.02... 👍😉
post #712 of 785
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Originally Posted by M Code View Post

You left out a couple of things..
  • The amplifier design team was shut down in August 2008, this team did all of the AVRs' amplifiers and component amplifiers. This team was highly experienced with many sucessful products including the Citation 16
  • The Harmans (CEO & president) retired in Fall, 2008
  • (5) New VPs were hired in Fall, 2008 @ big $ but none had any CE experience


Bottom line..
Check out their financials and market share since 2008...
The results or lack of, stand on their own.... rolleyes.gif

Just my $0.02... 👍😉

Ok, thanks for the info....didn't realize the original H/K died in Fall of 2008, always read in was in 2009. I noticed that my AVR 2600 and a friend of mine's AVR 2650 were rated differently (2600 rated 65 watts all channels driven, 2650 95 watts two channels driven) and that mine seems to be a little more solidly built than his. I thought I had the last year model designed by the American design team, maybe not. I'm so dissappointed. :-(
post #713 of 785
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Originally Posted by corchid View Post

Ok, thanks for the info....didn't realize the original H/K died in Fall of 2008, always read in was in 2009. I noticed that my AVR 2600 and a friend of mine's AVR 2650 were rated differently (2600 rated 65 watts all channels driven, 2650 95 watts two channels driven) and that mine seems to be a little more solidly built than his. I thought I had the last year model designed by the American design team, maybe not. I'm so dissappointed. :-(

Harman International was the last full-line USA audio company, the Harmans' had a deep passion for designing, building and delivering the best sonic performance in their electronics and loudspeakers...
Up until his retirement @ 91 in 2008, Dr.Harman was active and deeply involved with their new products often auditioning these before approving/releasing for mass production.. After 2008, things were simply different...

To borrow a line from the song American Pie..
"So, bye bye Miss American Pie..."

Just my $0.02... 😉👍
post #714 of 785
Anyone seen the advertisement for the AVR 1710?
post #715 of 785
Anyone having issues with the sub out? Mine seems to be working when it wants to. Have to turn avr off then back on.
post #716 of 785
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Originally Posted by DragonflyMed View Post

Anyone having issues with the sub out? Mine seems to be working when it wants to. Have to turn avr off then back on.

Mine Runs well
post #717 of 785
Has anyone managed to install Harman Music Manager on a MAC OS computer? The description says that the program is MAC compatible, but the installation file contains only .exe files.
Thanks.
post #718 of 785
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Originally Posted by pulsarvp View Post

Has anyone managed to install Harman Music Manager on a MAC OS computer? The description says that the program is MAC compatible, but the installation file contains only .exe files.
Thanks.

You need to download the Mac version, there are two different packages.
Alternatively you can also use any DNLA server like Plex Media Server, it also works.
post #719 of 785
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Originally Posted by Exist_To_Resist View Post

You need to download the Mac version, there are two different packages.
Alternatively you can also use any DNLA server like Plex Media Server, it also works.

I see the problem. Media manager is for 1700 and US market. For European 170 we get Music manager, which does not have a Mac version.

So if it is not hard, can someone share the Media Manager with Dropbox or other service? A private message with the link will be appreciated.
Thanks.
post #720 of 785
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Originally Posted by pulsarvp View Post

I see the problem. Media manager is for 1700 and US market. For European 170 we get Music manager, which does not have a Mac version.

So if it is not hard, can someone share the Media Manager with Dropbox or other service? A private message with the link will be appreciated.
Thanks.

I was going to download it for you, however the form is messed up so I can not get the file.
Just to clarify Media Manager is only for music, you can not stream video to the receiver.
You can use any DLNA certified server such as Plex, TVersity or Twonky, you don't need Media or Music Manager.
I would suggest PLEX but there might be other options for the MAC.
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