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post #31 of 92
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Originally Posted by Garman View Post

I am tempted to trade my Nikon D7000 in on the GH3, the whole pixel popping and mega sensor sales BS gets a tad tiring. If the Engineers can get it right you don't need a 24 megapixel camera or a 36megapixel camera if they can get the right glass optics etc.. It can make a huge difference. Hell the Olympus OM-D I am shooting with takes almost as good pictures as my Nikon D7000. I don't need 10 different cameras so I am considering it as well. My D7000 will fetch about $1200 with all the Lens I have along with some accessories, just not sure if I am upgrading with it comes to still shots, but I know it is a huge upgrade for doing video! wink.gif
brunerww:
Yeah, a tad expensive is right the 12-35 is $1200 bucks! Ouch, just as much as the camera but boy does it take some beautiful shots!!!!!!
http://eriknaso.com/gear-talk/lumix-12-35-g-x-vario-f2-8-ois-lens-review/

FYI - You can still use your Nikon glass with the GH3. I use all of my old Nikon lenses on my GH cameras in manual mode. They work great. If you buy the GH3 body-only, you can get comfortable with the camera with manual lenses and an inexpensive adapter while you save up for the 35-100 smile.gif

And it looks like you are ahead of the power curve on selling your D7000. Will Crockett at discovermirrorless.com and shootsmarter.com says the GH3, combined with the 35-100 and the 12-35 are so good that they are the harbingers of the "End of Days" for the DSLR. He predicts that in a couple of years, DSLR prices will start down (same thing happened to SLRs right after I bought my last 35mm Nikon film camera in 2004):

Cheers,

Bill
Hybrid Camera Revolution
post #32 of 92
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Originally Posted by flintyplus View Post

As an edit to the previous post,viewing and capturing the 25/50P files to the recorders hard drive could be still possible as i dont know if the hard drive is limited like Blu Ray discs.

Yes a numpty unlike my PS3 that has gone the PWT420s hard drive will play and copy 50P files from my FZ150 not that 50P is any improvement on that camera from 50i.
post #33 of 92
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Originally Posted by flintyplus View Post

Thanks for all the info,but it is as i feared with a GH3 BDs are a no go except in 720 or 24P,neither which i like,with my GH2 i can just put the card in my BD player HD recorder and download the files and watch them to give me an idea of what the editing will be needed.72mbps is a lot but watching footage from my GH2 on my large screen HD TVs the resolution and sharpness are fantastic,better than from HD TV broadcasts.

Not sure if I understand your post. The Bluray standard in USA is 1080/24P and in Europe is 1080/25P. It doesn't mean you can't shoot in 1080/50p and record on a BD media or any HDD/flash card. You can do everything you can do with the GH2.I can't see where the problem is, you can record 1080/25P (fully BD compatible) in .mov , at 50 Mbps .

Take a look at the specs for the UK model :

http://www.panasonic.co.uk/html/en_GB/Products/LUMIX+Digital+Cameras/LUMIX+G+Compact+System+Cameras/DMC-GH3/Specification/10546806/index.html?trackInfo=true
post #34 of 92
I don't get it: why exactly is the GH3 better than a top camcorder?

1. It has moire; camorders do not.

2. Camcorders will have higher resolution (we will see if the GH3 is any better than the GH2).

3. It is bigger and heavier, by a lot. This limits its use, by a lot (do you all own studios for video?).

4. Unless you pay a fortune, the lenses are slow (f2.8 is supposed to be great - but camcorders start with f1.8 and end with just over 2.8 at extreme telephoto). To get f2.8 on a big zoom gives you a giant lens that costs thousands of dollars.

5. The audio is worse - the NX30 does PCM, has fine manual controls.

6. Camcorders have controllable power zooms; most of the GH3 lenses do not; and those that do are slow (small aperture).

7. The Sony NX30 stabilization clearly beats that for any lens available for the GH3, by a lot.

For still pictures the GH3 obviously beats a top camcorder, but for video? or is this all about dof only? Or are you all still photographers for whom video is a sideline? or are you embarrassed to be seen with a camcorder? The GH3 looks impressive!

I do not see why anyone would go with a GH3 "system" for video over a Sony NX30, let alone other comparably-priced camcorders.

I have a GH2 and many lenses for it, some of those mentioned above; it is obviously inferior in any dimension to a top camcorder for any video use I see. It is good, just not worth the weight and hassle.
post #35 of 92
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Originally Posted by markr041 View Post

I don't get it: why exactly is the GH3 better than a top camcorder?
1. It has moire; camorders do not.
2. Camcorders will have higher resolution (we will see if the GH3 is any better than the GH2).
3. It is bigger and heavier, by a lot. This limits its use, by a lot (do you all own studios for video?).
4. Unless you pay a fortune, the lenses are slow (f2.8 is supposed to be great - but camcorders start with f1.8 and end with just over 2.8 at extreme telephoto). To get f2.8 on a big zoom gives you a giant lens that costs thousands of dollars.
5. The audio is worse - the NX30 does PCM, has fine manual controls.
6. Camcorders have controllable power zooms; most of the GH3 lenses do not; and those that do are slow (small aperture).
7. The Sony NX30 stabilization clearly beats that for any lens available for the GH3, by a lot.
For still pictures the GH3 obviously beats a top camcorder, but for video? or is this all about dof only? Or are you all still photographers for whom video is a sideline? or are you embarrassed to be seen with a camcorder? The GH3 looks impressive!
I do not see why anyone would go with a GH3 "system" for video over a Sony NX30, let alone other comparably-priced camcorders.
I have a GH2 and many lenses for it, some of those mentioned above; it is obviously inferior in any dimension to a top camcorder for any video use I see. It is good, just not worth the weight and hassle.



I am the one selling the NX30 and buying the GH3. There is nothing wrong with the NX30, wonderful camera, it's the combination of my Nikon gear plus the NX30 that is no longer working for me. I shoot still and video, can't be happy with any camcorder for still. My Nikon is still only and weights a ton. I fully understand the advantage of a camcorder and the quality of a Nikon picture but carrying both became a problem to me. I expect good results with the GH3 and the lenses I will buy will make the "system" good enough for my needs. .
post #36 of 92
Low light ability of GH3 versus a typical camcorder: the GH3 could only be better in low light with a lens that is fast; but the video-enabled (non-power) zoom for the GH3 is very slow, and a camcorder, with its fast lens (f1.5, f1.8) beats it in low light handily.

Sure a Nockton f0.95 lens or a Leica Summilux f1.4 lens might do better, but the dof is so shallow wide open, such a lens is basically a one-trick, very expensive solution. And both lenses are too noisy to use in auto mode for video - they make grinding sounds when the aperture changes (makes the purr of camcorders and any fan noise seem even more trivial than they are).

Obviously, if you buy a specialized lens for every type of scenario, you might do better than an all-in-one camocorder, but that will cost maybe 10's of thousands and such an approach is not possible for any travel scenario, unless you are a full-time pro, which none of us here are.

I agree that for a serious photographer that takes stills and video, the GH3 system makes very good sense. But the hype makes it seem like the GH3 is better than a camcorder, which it is not.
post #37 of 92
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Originally Posted by markr041 View Post

I agree that for a serious photographer that takes stills and video, the GH3 system makes very good sense. But the hype makes it seem like the GH3 is better than a camcorder, which it is not.

The GH3 does not replace some camcorders but is better than many of them depending on the use. The Indie crowd would love to have a Cinealta with a bunch of expensive lenses but the budget is many times very low. The NX30 is very good for street shooting but is not a studio or movie camera. People like to be creative and like to use different kind of lenses. As I said, that's not the reason why I like the GH3, in my case I shoot a lot of stills and few videos. A camcorder can't do it and the GH3 can, period.
Pros are more and more using DSLRs to shoot video, look at the Canon 5D MK III and see how many professional videos have been made so far. The GH3 is no MK III but is almost there with a good lens.
I respect your opinions and love your posts but cameras loke the GH3 also have their niche.
post #38 of 92
I agree with everything you say, I just wanted to make clear that for pure video and for most video uses the GH3 is not superior to a camcorder. For set-up video shooting, with a static camera and controlled lighting, a system with lens choices is best, and the GH3 has set a new standard in videoquality among the DSLR0-type cameras. And for a stills photographer who does some video it is the best.

But this is a camcorder/video forum, where video is the priority. And not a forum for professionals really either, who do set-up shots and spend all day taking videos under controlled circumstances. The pros obviously do not care much about resolution or moire in choosing those Canons, but as many have said creative shooting trumps these technical aspects anyway.
post #39 of 92
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Originally Posted by slimoli View Post

I am the one selling the NX30 and buying the GH3. There is nothing wrong with the NX30, wonderful camera, it's the combination of my Nikon gear plus the NX30 that is no longer working for me. I shoot still and video, can't be happy with any camcorder for still. My Nikon is still only and weights a ton. I fully understand the advantage of a camcorder and the quality of a Nikon picture but carrying both became a problem to me. I expect good results with the GH3 and the lenses I will buy will make the "system" good enough for my needs. .

I think a lot of folks who shoot stills and video professionally (and semi-professionally) are going to sell $2000 camcorders and $3000 still cameras and buy a $1299 hybrid still/video GH3. Another interesting video from the always enthusiastic Will Crockett, who says he has bought his last full frame Nikon:

Cheers,

Bill
Hybrid Camera Revolution
Edited by brunerww - 12/7/12 at 4:22am
post #40 of 92
flintyplus: It's not the hard drive that would limit things unless of course your running out of space. It would be most likely the playback of your video from the device your using. With more and more cameras/camcorders coming out that can record in 1080p/60fps I am sure we will see some type of capture and hopefully editing device besides a computer that will allow playback of this frame rate. The GH3 supports a ton of different recording formats here is a link that shows them:

http://shop.panasonic.com/shop/model/DMC-GH3kbody?sc_sp=shop-l2-ilc_large-highlight_pcmna_2012-lumix-gh3kbody_10242012


A good comparison of the GH2 and GH3



http://www.noamkroll.com/gh3-vs-gh2-and-initial-thoughts/]

brunerww: Thanks for the info, I wish I would have known. LOL I just sent my D7000 in and lenses for review. Maybe I will have them send one of them back. LOL Those two guys are comparing a new D800 the megawopper to a Camera that is half the cost of more, you need a new computer system to read those huge files! I love Nikon for stills I am still keeping my P7000 which I have taken some great stills with, I am sure I will miss my D7000 but I don't t ton of different camera, nor can I afford them. I will shoot with the GH3 and the Olympus OM-D which should serve me fine for now.
Edited by Garman - 12/6/12 at 10:38pm
post #41 of 92
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Originally Posted by slimoli View Post

Not sure if I understand your post. The Bluray standard in USA is 1080/24P and in Europe is 1080/25P. It doesn't mean you can't shoot in 1080/50p and record on a BD media or any HDD/flash card. You can do everything you can do with the GH2.I can't see where the problem is, you can record 1080/25P (fully BD compatible) in .mov , at 50 Mbps .
Take a look at the specs for the UK model :
http://www.panasonic.co.uk/html/en_GB/Products/LUMIX+Digital+Cameras/LUMIX+G+Compact+System+Cameras/DMC-GH3/Specification/10546806/index.html?trackInfo=true

No you are wrong the BD STANDARD is 24P 720p and 1080i 50i in pal areas.

Regarding picture quality GH cameras are superior to canon 5D MK111s and why do wedding video people use them and not small consumer camcorders
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?297848-Took-The-GH3-Out-For-A-Test-Drive-Today personaly i dont know what the fuss was about but one thing i can say is my GH2 had more resoultion than a TM 900 i tried in a comparison test.
post #42 of 92
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flinty - I agree. My stock GH2 shoots about 850-900 lines of vertical resolution, while my TM900 shoots about 1000. My 55 year old eyes cannot see the difference.

Heck - the old GH2 did reasonably well on resolution charts against pro camcorders such as the AF100 (with Zeiss glass on it, no less):

What I can see is the creative effects I get from different lenses - and the depth of field control I get from changing aperture and focal length. If I want deep depth of field, like a camcorder, I can get it. If I want shallow depth of field to create an effect, I can get it easily (no more Letus adapters - remember those? smile.gif)

That said, a DSLM cannot match the video image quality or the functionality of a dedicated small-sensor camcorder - yet. But I see more and more similarities over time. The new GH3 has a headphone jack, much improved tracking autofocus, and, like earlier GH models, unlimited video clip length and a viewfinder that continues to work in video mode.

Someday, when you are able to pull a real long throw power zoom off your interchangeable lens micro 4/3 camcorder (similar to the one on the new Sony NEX-VG30) and put it on your GH3, no one will be able to tell whether your footage was shot on a camcorder or a DSLM smile.gif

Cheers,

Bill
Hybrid Camera Revolution
post #43 of 92
Flinty, you are mostly wrong.
"... the BD STANDARD is 24P 720p and 1080i 50i in pal areas."

More hogwash. Movies on Blu rays are 108024p in all regions - there is no PAL standard for bluray. I routinely play Blurays I acquire from Britain.

" Regarding picture quality GH cameras are superior to canon 5D MK111s"

This is true.

" and why do wedding video people use them and not small consumer camcorders"

This assumes a fact that is not true. Almost all wedding photographers use big camcorders, not DSLRs. And now some are supplementing that with consumer camcorders (and sometimes GoPros). Go to dvinfo.net and read what real professionals are saying about what they use. Some, of course, do use DSLRs.

"Today personaly i dont know what the fuss was about but one thing i can say is my GH2 had more resoultion than a TM 900 i tried in a comparison test."

Obviously you must have done something wrong or you had a bad TM900, as every professional review indicates that the TM has much higher resolution, whatever the importance of that. So, you were misled by that one incorrect finding.
Edited by markr041 - 12/7/12 at 6:36am
post #44 of 92
markr041: I agree that most Pro camcorders are still better that DSLRs, but things are slowly changing. I have seen some pretty amazing stuff come out of Wedding videos via Canon 5D Mark IIs and IIIs and GH2 cameras in the last couple of years, I have used a Canon 5D Mark II and a Canon Camcorder HG10 and both reproduce some pretty good quality. Even Hollywood has been embracing this so call fad to some, but I think the next wave will come with the new mirror-less camera systems. The whole wedding photographers using big camcorders in my area is not so true as my sister shoots with the 5D Mark II, but then again a lot of Weddings are shot with a still photographer and another person that does video, but I am seeing more still shooters using cameras like these that shoot video and pairing up with a video person who shoots specifically video. Mark I was like you, not thinking that cameras could even come close in quality, but I think that is changing quickly. Just an a opinion of course, as there are facts that support both formats.

http://canon5d.wonderhowto.com/inspiration/canons-5d-mark-ii-invades-hollywood-0129387/
Edited by Garman - 12/7/12 at 7:28am
post #45 of 92
I agree, the DSLRs (and P&S cameras) are improving fast in the video dimension, and I would expect more people, mostly pros who have the time and incentive to work hard at getting good video, to adopt them in place of specialized camcorders. Of course, talented people could always make great videos, from almost any camera.

I am only trying to keep straight what is true and not true about both types. The major technical challenge for big sensor cameras appears to be how to get high resolution and avoid artifacts and rolling shutter, the latter two issues being what still differentiates camcorders from the DSLRs, apart from ergonomics, power zooms, AF, dof and size, weight and expense.
post #46 of 92
Markr041: I agree, I think most of us on this thread are looking for a great camera that takes great still shots and does very good video, well that is where I am at. I don't like lugging a lot of gear around and the GH3 will fit the bill for me, I still have a few good camcorders but I am using them less and less lately. I just traded in my Nikon camera system for the GH3, I am hopeful I will like it on both ends.
post #47 of 92
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Originally Posted by markr041 View Post

Flinty, you are mostly wrong.
"... the BD STANDARD is 24P 720p and 1080i 50i in pal areas."
More hogwash. Movies on Blu rays are 108024p in all regions - there is no PAL standard for bluray. I routinely play Blurays I acquire from Britain.
" Regarding picture quality GH cameras are superior to canon 5D MK111s"
This is true.
" and why do wedding video people use them and not small consumer camcorders"
This assumes a fact that is not true. Almost all wedding photographers use big camcorders, not DSLRs. And now some are supplementing that with consumer camcorders (and sometimes GoPros). Go to dvinfo.net and read what real professionals are saying about what they use. Some, of course, do use DSLRs.
"Today personaly i dont know what the fuss was about but one thing i can say is my GH2 had more resoultion than a TM 900 i tried in a comparison test."
Obviously you must have done something wrong or you had a bad TM900, as every professional review indicates that the TM has much higher resolution, whatever the importance of that. So, you were misled by that one incorrect finding.

Yes i said 24P 720P and 50i are BD COMPATABLE so why do you say i am mostly wrong,recordings made in 50P or 25P will not even play back the raw files from the card in my BD player but they will capture and play to the players hard drive recorder,they will not play in a PS3 i have plus if i make BLU RAYS 50i 720P 24P and 25P in a wrapper are fine,25 and 50P are not compatable, i have tested and owned a Pana 700,my GH2 has more resolution .
One thing that is noticeable where i live is it is rare to see camcorders being used these days,even at events where there are a lot of people filming most are useing cameras and splitting stills and moving video with them.
http://forum.videohelp.com/threads/335782-HD-Video-File-(-1080-50P-)-from-Panasonics-TM700 An old thread

Anyway the main thing is to enjoy which ever way you go with filming.
Edited by flintyplus - 12/8/12 at 10:44am
post #48 of 92
brunerww: Thanks for the heads up for the adapter, after taking shots with the GH3 and OMD that I both own, I am going to retire my Nikon and I sold it for $1300 bucks with lenses on ebay in 3 minutes flat. I think DSLRs technolgy will be around for a few more years but I think Micro 4/3s will be around for some time to come, and I am sure we will see full frames in this area as well. The picture quality on the OMD is just as good as my Nikon D7000, the only advantage to me, is the menu system on Nikons was easier to use, but then again I am use to it over the last 15 years. I was able to get a good deal on the new 12-35mm lens and I will buy a better super zoom down the road. Any suggestions on better zooms for either OMD or GH3 I am all ears, and I must say the GH3 video is excellent!
post #49 of 92
For better zoom, you probably meant you want more reach. Theirs obviously the old 14-140mm lens which gives you enough range of a camcorder and then theirs the 100-300mm for $500 if you want a ton of reach. For something more affordable, theirs the 45-175. It had some bad publicity in the beginning and recently Panasonic has released a firmware update to fix a lot of what people were complaining about although some people will say that it's still not perfect. Still, the price used to be $450 and can be had now for $300. It has a zoom switch and the lens does not extend out. I do think it's a good value.
post #50 of 92
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Originally Posted by Garman View Post

I must say the GH3 video is excellent!
Panasonic made this informative 12 minute video to help GH3 users get familiar with the camera: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrLBJV4ttp0
post #51 of 92
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Garman - congrats on the GH3 and the 12-35 - look forward to seeing your results!

As far as lenses go, I'm saving a little money with old Panasonic and Olympus lenses for classic 4/3. They require an adapter, but have fully functional autoiris and autofocus. Autofocus isn't as fast as with modern micro 4/3 lenses, but they're half the price.

My next 4/3 lens will probably be the Olympus 50-200 f/2.8-3.5, which is about $800 used on Amazon, and less than that on eBay.

All the best,

Bill
Hybrid Camera Revolution
Edited by brunerww - 1/13/13 at 7:06pm
post #52 of 92
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Originally Posted by SD90 View Post

Panasonic made this informative 12 minute video to help GH3 users get familiar with the camera: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrLBJV4ttp0

Thanks for the link. I found this video also very interesting:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIMdxoGbNXU
post #53 of 92
brunerww: I just received the 12-35 and was able to get it for a grand as it was briefly on sale on Amazon but then shot up to 1144.00, I sold my Nikon gear in order to afford it, as I don't need 5 different types of cameras laying around. The good news is the Olympus and GH3 are interchangeable with no adapters need so I can use my 12-35 on my OMD as well. I did pick up a inexpensive lens that does very well with both cameras http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001ISKNKA/ref=pe_175190_21431760_M3T1_SC_dp_1 for a inexpensive but decent lens. I will buy one or two more lenses down the road most likely Olympus or Panasonic depending on value/price and how good they are for what I need. The Panasonic 20mm 1.7 is fantastic for close ups.

Slimoli,

Thanks for the helpful video on the GH3, I wish the guy would talk slower though! LOL wink.gif
post #54 of 92
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Wow - congrats on catching that great price on the 12-35! I just noticed they are starting to show up used for $1021 at Amazon Warehouse Deals. Maybe they'll get down below $1000 in a few months and I can sweet talk my wife into letting me get one smile.gif

I think you have hit on a great combination of cameras for stills (OM-D) and video (GH3).

All the Best,

Bill

P.S. I like the video too - but I didn't post it smile.gif
post #55 of 92
brunerww: Here are just a quick couple of test shots on stills, very impressed with it so far. I just picked up the 45-200mm Lens for a great price as well so now I am up to 3 Panasonic lens and one Olympus. I will buy one more nice Olympus lens and then be done for awhile. Only reason I could afford the jump is the sale of my Nikon Gear, which I loved but I am not regretting switching as the GH3 and Olympus seem easier to use and produces similar stills and much much better video!

Here are a couple of shots!
post #56 of 92
I bought all the lenses I wanted, 12-35,35-100.25mm 1.4 and 100-300mm. The problem is the camera, backordered. I pre-ordered it in 3 different places (cc will only be charged when. shipped) If anybody knows a reputable store with the GH3 in stock, please let me know.
post #57 of 92
I would try calling reputable camera stores around your area and see if they carry the GH3 and perhaps add yourself to their list if the next shipment they get is soon.

Here's a link I received when I was trying to see if anybody was selling an AC90 on a weekend since while I was still deciding, a potential gig pop up.
http://b2b.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs/stores/Locator/Search.jsp?modl_catg_id=170

Theirs probably a better link since this one says professional video but it's worth a try.

At least for now, you already have a nice set of lenses. That's all I gotta say.
post #58 of 92
Slimoli,

I happen to get lucky unlike when the GH2 came out it was limited supply, which if Panasonic should have learned make it available your more likely to make more money instead of people waiting! I would have been a GH2 and GH3 owner by now but they did the same thing with the GH2 limited supply which is annoying. Mine was the second waive of shipments and I am sure I got this camera because of some one like you who ordered it and most likely got sick and tired of waiting for it. Nice selection of lenses I decided to buy the 12-35mm first and got a steal on a 45-200mm which has very good ratings and is great, but I will buy the 35-100 when it comes down in price as that unit is the one that is excellent for video as well, and then I will get another Olympus first not sure if they make a decent 70-100mm in a good price range yet the great news is the lenses are interchangeable with no adapter needed.

Try Kenmore Camera in California and ask for Nick Ricci, they got five in and they sold within a matter of hours but he said he had more on order. 425-485-7447. I live in Wisconsin and we don't even have a dealer anywhere near, thats another issue as Canon/Nikon and now Sony have pretty much pushed Panasonic and Olympus and Pentex out the Specialty camera stores. Good news is Olympus Pen cameras and their new OMD have put more life into their brand, and they are producing some very nice stuff along with Panasonic as well.

Try Full Compass as well, they are not too far from me and usually get stuff in sooner or can get it sooner than B&H or Adorama at times. One thing I did notice verses the Video of the GH3 and the overall looks is they left the little gold "L" emblem off, not sure if this is for the USA version or the European version has the "L" on it because of Lecia.

brunerww: For stills the GH3 is almost as good as the OMD, but I haven't shot enough with both before I make that bold statement ! wink.gif
Edited by Garman - 1/15/13 at 10:48pm
post #59 of 92
Thank you guys. I will start calling everybody in my area.
I got the lenses today . The 12-30 and the 100-300 are made in Japan but the 35-100 is made in China. I would expect the cheap one to be made in China, not the 35-100. They look great, though. The 25 1.4 will be here today.
I sold all my Nikon gear, too heavy for me Being with Nikon since 1976, it's a huge change,
Edited by slimoli - 1/16/13 at 10:53am
post #60 of 92
Slimoli: I was a Nikon fan as well, not quite as long as you more like 1995 till now, and if you had a full blown D7000, D600 or D800 decked out, yes the gear can get heavy. The GH3 when you put a good lens on it and the battery grip along with another battery, it starts feeling and looking more like a DSLR. Odd that the 35-100 is made in China especially at that price. LOL wink.gif
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