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post #31 of 55
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Originally Posted by PureBlue View Post

So more story on the receiver. It is referb from factory so something was wrong at some point likely.
has nothing with it so I need mic, power cord, and remote. 30 day return but no warranty unless I buy it separate. Good deal still?

You can buy factory refurbished Denons and Onkyos at accessories4less.com and they come with all the goodies and a 1 year warranty. 30 days days and then you have to buy all the other components seems pretty weak.
post #32 of 55
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This is true, and I never suggested the Hsu's horn design would somehow exempt it from lobing issues.
Sorry Shady...I read your post wrong.
post #33 of 55
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

You can buy factory refurbished Denons and Onkyos at accessories4less.com and they come with all the goodies and a 1 year warranty. 30 days days and then you have to buy all the other components seems pretty weak.
I will also vouch for accessories4less.com. I have made a few purchases from them and have never had a problem.
post #34 of 55
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Originally Posted by PureBlue View Post

So more story on the receiver. It is referb from factory so something was wrong at some point likely.
has nothing with it so I need mic, power cord, and remote. 30 day return but no warranty unless I buy it separate. Good deal still?

Not me. I like fully equipped and warranty. Why no warranty? Factory refurb can be other reasons but usually comes with everything. Maybe just open box? Be one thing if you got documentation on reason for refurb but mostly that doesn't happen. Who's it from?
post #35 of 55
Thread Starter 
It was from best buy. I decided to pass on it. I just happened to see it while I was walking around.
post #36 of 55
Hi, I'm building my first 3.1 system with Dev Tech BP-8040's and am stuck on a center channel. The matching CS-8040 is way too large for my existing setup so before I jump out and by a new home theater stand, I was thinking that the Mythos XTR 40 maybe a good choice as it would fit ideally in front of the TV. Does the mythos line pair well with the BP's?

Thanks!
post #37 of 55
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Originally Posted by CaptainDingus View Post

Hi, I'm building my first 3.1 system with Dev Tech BP-8040's and am stuck on a center channel. The matching CS-8040 is way too large for my existing setup so before I jump out and by a new home theater stand, I was thinking that the Mythos XTR 40 maybe a good choice as it would fit ideally in front of the TV. Does the mythos line pair well with the BP's?
Thanks!

I don't think you are going to have much luck dropping into this thread with such a specific question that's unrelated to the post title (and unrelated to this conversation). Best to try asking in one of these two threads:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/625807/definitive-owners-thread
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1100995/definitive-technology-mythos-series-thread
post #38 of 55
Why 3.1? If the plan is to add over time, I'd put a few more $ into the main channels and got 2.1 or even 2.0 to start. Nothing wrong with "phantom center".
post #39 of 55
I would even say you can start out with a 2.1 in phantom center mode. However, you can do 4.1 cheap. My first system was a pair of Def Tech SM350s for Front L/R and HTD $40 a pair outdoor speakers. I ran the SM350s in phantom center and I don't think I have had a better center yet. Than includes my current Boston Acoustics VS325.
post #40 of 55
Thread Starter 
So if I did get a 2.1 to start with, how would that change the speakers to consider? The speakers mentioned thus far seem to be very respectable. I am assuming the reason to get 2.1 would be a superior speakers.
post #41 of 55
I agree. I don't think it would significantly make a difference to shift the budget to the speakers. But shifting the center channel budget to the subwoofer would be worthwhile. For instance, then you could afford the cmt340s and the HSU sub.
post #42 of 55
I'd invest most of that in the AVR and the subwoofer. For speakers, I'd hit thrift stores and pawn shops and look for a quality pair of speakers. $6 to $40 should get you something from a reputable brand. Or I might search pawnshops, online ads, etc, for something that was very popular, like an NHT Zero, PSB Alpha, and buy pairs or singles until there's enough for surround. I might not worry too much about finding matching rear speakers since even identical speakers don't sound the same when located in different parts of a room.

And for the subwoofer, I'd probably just buy a drive (or two or four) from somewhere like Creativesound.ca or Parts Express, get some 3/4" MDF, and spend a weekend making sawdust with the router. For the sub amp, the cheapest option could be to run a car amp from an ATX power supply, but a stereo receiver or integrated amp of reasonable power would do in a pinch. I'd try to obtain a basic power amp, like a Carver, NAD, Adcom, or a semi-pro amp. I lucked into a Behringer EP2500 for under $250 once; that's enough watts for even the criminally insane. Plate amps may be more convenient, but they aren't as good a deal as a used amp.

While touring the thrift stores, I'd keep an open mind in case I came across a used AV receiver. I've seen Dolby Digital receivers for $20 to $45. Down the road, upgrade to a proper HDMI receiver, preferably 7.2 Stereo subs could be good for music, but right now that feature seems limited to higher end models.
post #43 of 55
Thread Starter 
So cbm-170 with center channel or cmt-340 with phantom center? Which would everyone prefer? And which sub to go with this setup?
post #44 of 55
As long as you will add the center in 6 months or a year, I'd go with the CMT-340 now.

The HSU VTF-2 MK4 sub is a much better sub than the Energy S10.3. It goes lower before the frequency response starts to roll off, and it has more SPL for when you want to watch one of the four or five star movies from this list: The New Master List of BASS in Movies with Frequency Charts. The other comparable sub in that price range to consider is the Outlaw Audio LFM-1 Plus.
post #45 of 55
Phantom centers supposedly do not work as well for a wide seating area, but that has not been my own experience with it. That being said, there only thing you will gain by going with the CMTs over the CBMs is a bit more SPL. However, if you are going to push them hard enough where that difference comes into play, you really ought to be looking at other speakers anyway, the Hsu's would be better for that I would guess, but better still would be speakers with compression drivers. Honestly though, the CBMs are likely going to get loud enough for you or any normal person. I would just go with the CBMs personally, but either choice is going to get you a good setup. The Hsu VTF2 and Outlaw LFM-1 Plus are my first choices at that price point.
post #46 of 55
And the other consideration is that if you ever decide to move to a 5.1 setup, you can always move the CBMs to the rear and get CMTs for up front.

Still, probably the best place to get answers between what would suit you better is the Ascend forum. There you'll find people that have experience with both in their setup, and I'm sure you question about whether to go with CMTs or CBMs has been asked before.
post #47 of 55
Thread Starter 
I think I am going to go with the CBMs for left and right. I still am feeling the itch for a center channel. The center would likely be below the TV in the media stand on a shelf, enclosed on sides, top, and bottom but open in the back. Would the HTM-200 se be better for this or a center CMT? I noticed the HTM is sealed, so I don't know if that would be better for that application. Are reflections off the stand a problem with this setup? For a sub I like the looks of the HSU VTF-2 MK4. For a receiver I am liking the Denon AVR-2112CI. So I need to pick a center channel I should be good.
post #48 of 55
Once again, I'll steer you towards the Ascend Forum for questions like this about which Ascend speaker to get. As much as I like my fellow AVS members, that's where I'd go. Dave Fabrikant, the owner of Ascend Acoustics and designer of the speakers, joins into answer questions, too.

Reflections off the TV media stand shouldn't be a problem as long as you have the center sticking out just a little.

That Denon receiver will be a good one. If this is your first time setting up a Denon receiver and using Audyssey, I recommend AVS member batpig's Denon Setup Guide and FAQ page. Very, very helpful.
post #49 of 55
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I think I am going to go with the CBMs for left and right. I still am feeling the itch for a center channel. The center would likely be below the TV in the media stand on a shelf, enclosed on sides, top, and bottom but open in the back. Would the HTM-200 se be better for this or a center CMT? I noticed the HTM is sealed, so I don't know if that would be better for that application. Are reflections off the stand a problem with this setup? For a sub I like the looks of the HSU VTF-2 MK4. For a receiver I am liking the Denon AVR-2112CI. So I need to pick a center channel I should be good.

My HT in my smaller apartment living room consists of the CBM-170SEs (front R/L), CMT-340SE center, and HTM-200SEs (R/L surrounds). Unless your listening space is small I would highly recommend going with the CMT-340SEs up front. The CBM-170SEs are great speakers and fine for small to medium rooms but the CMT-340SE would work the best in a larger space. Ascend Acoustics offers an upgrade deal where you can purchase part of your home theater and then add speakers later for the complete setup. I think it has to be done in 12 months however. You could start with the CMT-340SEs up front and the HSU subwoofer and add the center and surrounds later.
post #50 of 55
I bought a refurb Marantz SR-6200 from accessories4less that was defective. They handled the shipping and fixed the unit in short order. It's worked like a champ ever sense. They were great people to deal with.
post #51 of 55
I highly recomment Onkyo receivers. I personally have a yamaha but we got a onkyo for my father in law and it is in a completely different league.

I would also say to look for speakers with a soft dome tweeter. I found that my Paradigm atoms are a little harsh because I have all tile flooring. However, the Paradigms do sound amazing when you can tame them down a bit.

If you have some good DIY abilities with wood, and you have the tools, these are a great option.

http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/2-way-speaker-kits/zaph%7Caudio-sr71-kit-pair-parts-only/

also, if you have the tools, you cant beat the performance of a sub you build for the money. however, I recomend HSU and SVS for your budget if you just want to buy.
post #52 of 55
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Originally Posted by PureBlue View Post

I went to best buy today and listend to some def tech speakers. I thought the def tech studio monitor 45 speakers sounded good. I also heard the pro 1000 center. The center sounded good, but I was concernered that it sounded a little thin. I am looking for more places that I can listen to speakers. Where do these def tech speakers sit in comparison to the other ones mentioned in this thread?

One thing about Def Tech speakers is that they need about 30 hours of break in time before they reach their normal sound. They sound great right out of the box but if you pay close attention they start "warming up" and sound richer and more "full". I've experienced this with every one of my Def Tech speakers and they end up sounding better after a few weeks of use. This is even mentioned in the owners manuals.

From the manual: "Your ProMonitors should sound good right out of the box; however, an extended break-in period of 20-40 hours or more of playing is required to reach full performance capability. Break-in allows the suspensions to work in and results in fuller bass, a more open “blossoming” midrange and smoother high frequency reproduction."
post #53 of 55
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Originally Posted by Five28 View Post

One thing about Def Tech speakers is that they need about 30 hours of break in time before they reach their normal sound. They sound great right out of the box but if you pay close attention they start "warming up" and sound richer and more "full". I've experienced this with every one of my Def Tech speakers and they end up sounding better after a few weeks of use. This is even mentioned in the owners manuals.

Most speakers will benefit from at least 20 to 30 hours of break-in. Or none will, for those that don't believe that break-in accomplishes anything significant. I tend to think it does, but that's subjective.
post #54 of 55
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Originally Posted by shadyJ View Post

I haven't heard them, but judging from the specs, I certainly wouldn't pay 200 per speaker for them. Deftech has a habit of exaggerating their specs too. As for the Legend sub, that has had reliability issues lately with their amplifiers, I would check the Epik thread in the subwoofer forum before I pulled the trigger on one of those. Personally, I would go with a Hsu or Outlaw sub anyway.

Perhaps the specs Def Tech claims for their speakers have valid arguments on either side of the 'exaggerating' fence. But, I can say that I have enjoyed their speakers since I bought my first pair BP 8's in 1993, I still use these as my surround side speakers in my 7.2 set up. I guess I became comfortable with Def Tech's sound, over-all quality, the whole nine yards. I took a different path with the bass though.

Yes, I do believe in the 'Break-in' theory.
post #55 of 55
PureBlue, if you have a Frys near you check out Infinity Primus speakers. Fry's has been running some great deals on these. Right now a pair of bookshelves for $107. And every other week the towers for $99 a piece. Thats $305 for your fronts and rears. 30 day return too so you can check them out in your house.

Check out the Primus Owners section on AVS and google reviews. People love these speakers and they get good reviews for their cost
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