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post #31 of 581
being that i like the clancy books with jack ryan in them you can see why i like this.
post #32 of 581
Very interesting and intense! I like it and will be tuning in.
post #33 of 581
And one other dumb thing they did (just like in Mission Impossible 4) the show has no idea how nuclear missiles work. Tridents have how many warheads capable of striking how many targets? Yet here was another missile that did not release the individual warheads and exploded in the water like it was a rocket.

At least it didn't bounce off a building.
post #34 of 581
This pilot had just enough intrigue and action to keep it from being another "Grey"s Anatomy" knockoff(the signs are everywhere), ABC does love their romantic relationship shows, then again, it is just the pilot.

I agree with others that this show has "13 and done" written all over it, I don't see how they can drag this out for a full season, much less multiple seasons.
post #35 of 581
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Originally Posted by VisionOn View Post

And one other dumb thing they did (just like in Mission Impossible 4) the show has no idea how nuclear missiles work. Tridents have how many warheads capable of striking how many targets? Yet here was another missile that did not release the individual warheads and exploded in the water like it was a rocket.
At least it didn't bounce off a building.
There were some glaring errors with regard to the submarine, submarine operation, the capabilities of the Trident missile and the launch sequence. As has been mentioned eariler in this thread, a certain amount of artistic license is needed to make normally dull submarine life exiciting enough for a series. I will mention a few of the big errors; there is no 'Artic network' to pass launch orders, there is no self destruct on a Trident, after the impact to the ocean floor at 1500 ft depth (or whatever it was) the volume of water at that pressure (660 psi) would have flooded the boat in minutes. All that being said, the premise is interesting and different, I will suspend belief on the submarine/ Navy 'mistakes' as artistic license and continue to watch.
post #36 of 581
This was one of the best premiere episodes for a new show I have seen in a long time. Very intense and riveting. However, I do not see how they can keep a series like this going episode after episode year after year. Seems like its already played out. But I am in for the ride, hopefully I am wrong. Looking forward to see where they go with this.
post #37 of 581
Pacing was too fast. Thought it would have been better as a two hour pilot. I mean he goes from subcaptain, to relieved of duty to subcaptain finds an island and now is a dictator in about seven minutes. Overall liked it and will be watching.
post #38 of 581
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Originally Posted by ltownsend View Post

Very interesting and intense! I like it and will be tuning in.
You and me both brother!
post #39 of 581
I liked it.
post #40 of 581
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Originally Posted by tonycsmoke View Post

Pacing was too fast. Thought it would have been better as a two hour pilot. I mean he goes from subcaptain, to relieved of duty to subcaptain finds an island and now is a dictator in about seven minutes. Overall liked it and will be watching.

Not forgetting the start of a nuclear war in the first forty minutes! I wonder if it was edited for time?

I did like Braugher going overboard as the insane dictator in his video and the show then cleverly pulling a callback to the "crazy" speech at the last minute.
post #41 of 581
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The scene in which the SEAL explained how he's going to shoot down the group in detail reminded me of an identical scene in something I've seen recently, but I can't remember what.

The Abyss??
post #42 of 581
I thought the episode sucked. First, the dialog was horrible. I don't mean just script, it was hard to make out what they are saying. Charactors would talk and
the music was mixed so loud that we couldn't make out what they were saying. That, combined with fast delivery by bad actors trying to sound excited left my
wife and i wondering WTF is going on? A good example it when that hot chick, during sex is explaining her great magnetic invisible invention!
Another thing is how they casted charactors to try to break stereotypes.
They wanted to really be politically correct. For example, the captain is black because hey, aren't most sub captains black? (are there ANY black sub black captains in the navy???), the seal guys are all white and evil, the sub has 6 women with one of them being tough and the designer of the special sub thingy on the mainland is a hot looking chick. My dad was an engineer for 40 years working on all kinds of secret radar crap and not once did he work or meet a female engineer, much less a hot looking one.
Loved how they made that sub looked so spacious too. I also thought the same thing about the self destruct mech on the missiles- there isn't one! Once launched,
you wait until the cities are blown (aren't they mirv's?).
post #43 of 581
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Originally Posted by VisionOn View Post

The scene in which the SEAL explained how he's going to shoot down the group in detail reminded me of an identical scene in something I've seen recently, but I can't remember what.

A truth serum induced Arnold Schwarzenegger in True Lies?
post #44 of 581
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Originally Posted by CPanther95 View Post

A truth serum induced Arnold Schwarzenegger in True Lies?

Hey, that might be it!
post #45 of 581
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Originally Posted by VisionOn View Post

Hey, that might be it!

If not, I'm sure we can come up with more James Cameron movies. wink.gif
post #46 of 581
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Originally Posted by dclark View Post

I thought the episode sucked. First, the dialog was horrible. I don't mean just script, it was hard to make out what they are saying. Charactors would talk and
the music was mixed so loud that we couldn't make out what they were saying. That, combined with fast delivery by bad actors trying to sound excited left my
wife and i wondering WTF is going on? A good example it when that hot chick, during sex is explaining her great magnetic invisible invention!
Another thing is how they casted charactors to try to break stereotypes.
They wanted to really be politically correct. For example, the captain is black because hey, aren't most sub captains black? (are there ANY black sub black captains in the navy???), the seal guys are all white and evil, the sub has 6 women with one of them being tough and the designer of the special sub thingy on the mainland is a hot looking chick. My dad was an engineer for 40 years working on all kinds of secret radar crap and not once did he work or meet a female engineer, much less a hot looking one.
Loved how they made that sub looked so spacious too. I also thought the same thing about the self destruct mech on the missiles- there isn't one! Once launched,
you wait until the cities are blown (aren't they mirv's?).

thank you! I felt the same way after seeing the pilot. I have no idea what the hot chick was rambling about, and why she got a text message from the sub. I didn't get the gun fight on the island either between the seals and the crew. who shot who and why? the whole thing seemed rushed to me.

I did like the seal guy though. his scene in the bar with the local was funny. and when the trident launched, he said something like "this isn't going to end well."

I think I'm going to need to watch it again.
post #47 of 581
I really enjoyed the opener but could see some issues as the series continues. To me the main thrust of the show should be the deadly intrigue occurring in Washington DC. From the brief news report that the sub's crew was watching, it almost seemed like a "Seven Days in May" scenario was unfolding with the resignation of some of the joint chiefs. Gradually exposing that and the players involved could have some real legs along with the lethal chess match between Capt. Chaplin and those powers in the shadows. It seems likely that the USS Illinois launched the two, what I assume were, Tridents at Pakistan but why and on whose order? How was the National Command Authority breeched? There are tons of questions that could make this a first class political-military thriller. What worries me is the part of the story that takes place on the island. This could deteriorate into some real second rate drama if the writers aren't careful. One thing that seemed odd to me (And I'm no expert to be sure) was having a Boomer sub on a Seal team pickup mission. Somehow I can't quite see that one, although in a absolute emergency extraction I suppose it could happen. Another was the having the Illinois which, based on it's likely missle launch at Pakistan, was also a Boomer, then being tasked with hunting and killing Chaplin's boat with a cruise missle. Again, I don't profess to know that much about these matters but it did seem a bit off to me.
post #48 of 581
I like the episode. I have been a fan of Braugher since Homicide, and I think he is highly underrated. The show could go in a lot of different directions, but I am on board to see where they take it. They even opened up the option for a sci fi bend with the mention of the "prototype" on the sub.
post #49 of 581
I liked it, especially after the parade of new shows we've been watching lately, at least this one felt a little different (especially on the sub). I agree about the comments about the hot engineer (hot sub crew, etc), though--their need to cast these generic pretty girls as super achievers in every occupation known to man gets boring after a while. You could hear the network brass yelling "More appeal for our target demo!". OK, but couldn't you cast a LITTLE more realistically? It turns out people WILL watch plain women (the show 'Girls' comes to mind). It might even make the show more engaging.

For me, when the show got off the sub, it went off the rails. A submarine adventure is something I would tune into week after week. An island or Washington soap? Not so much.
post #50 of 581
It's TV. The people are pretty.
post #51 of 581
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Originally Posted by dclark View Post

Another thing is how they casted charactors to try to break stereotypes.

I am at a loss to understand why that is a bad thing.
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For example, the captain is black because hey, aren't most sub captains black? (are there ANY black sub black captains in the navy???),

And you think the problem is the show, if that's the case? Seriously?

Maybe they cast Andre Braugher because he is a seriously awesome actor, and the part needs a seriously awesome actor more than it needs to be a specific race or ethnicity?
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the sub has 6 women with one of them being tough

I think it's a little early to jump to the conclusion that only one of them is "tough." It would seem to me that if you're a groundbreaker, one of the first people going someplace that people like you have previously been forbidden, you are probably by nature going to have a certain toughness and strength of character. Otherwise, you're just pretty dumb and naive.
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and the designer of the special sub thingy on the mainland is a hot looking chick.

Yes, hot people on TV. How groundbreaking. The first officer is also hot. Are there any hot submariner XO's in the Navy? If not, fire this guy immediately. (And edit Denzel out of Crimson Tide, while you're at it...)
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My dad was an engineer for 40 years working on all kinds of secret radar crap and not once did he work or meet a female engineer, much less a hot looking one.

And again -- you think the problem here is the TV show?
post #52 of 581
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Originally Posted by Whitearrow View Post

It would seem to me that if you're a groundbreaker, one of the first people going someplace that people like you have previously been forbidden, you are probably by nature going to have a certain toughness and strength of character.

... or your Daddy is a high ranking Admiral.
post #53 of 581
When will we see the massive Tidal Wave From the nuke, that hits the Eastern Seaboard & Western Europe ...
Next Episode ??
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post #54 of 581
Women on submarines is something that began last year. So the show isn't stretching the truth there.

http://www.kitsapsun.com/news/2012/jun/16/first-female-submariners-find-few-obstacles/

The attractive main female lead is there partly because of who she is, not what she knows. So being pretty, but not qualified might fit her character.

I almost forgot Autumn Resser in her lingerie! That was definitely a highlight! biggrin.gif
post #55 of 581
Although one of the villains here is the island "pimp" guy... and he's not white...

One odd thing, the Colorado had 4 targets on the orders, afterwards only 2 missiles launched from somewhere else (perhaps the Illinois like someone mentioned), maybe they didn't have th 4 ?

Also why NUCLEAR missiles Vs. Pakistan? I didn't know they had nuke power, if it was North Korea or something..

The conspirators seem to be everywhere, even visitiong the families of the crew to intercept phone calls and all..

I only see a 13 episode series, just like "Missing" and they would claim is a mini-series..
post #56 of 581
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Also why NUCLEAR missiles Vs. Pakistan? I didn't know they had nuke power, if it was North Korea or something..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
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Estimates of Pakistan's stockpile of nuclear warheads vary. The most recent analysis, published in the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists in 2010, estimates that Pakistan has 70-90 nuclear warheads. In 2001, the U.S.-based Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC) estimated that Pakistan had built 24–48 HEU-based nuclear warheads with HEU reserves for 30-52 additional warheads. In 2003, the U.S. Navy Center for Contemporary Conflict estimated that Pakistan possessed between 35 and 95 nuclear warheads, with a median of 60. In 2003, the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace estimated a stockpile of approximately 50 weapons. By contrast, in 2000, U.S. military and intelligence sources estimated that Pakistan's nuclear arsenal may be as large as 100 warheads.

The actual size of Pakistan's nuclear stockpile is hard for experts to gauge owing to the extreme secrecy which surrounds the program in Pakistan. However, in 2007, retired Pakistan Army's Brigadier-General Feroz Khan, previously second in command at the Strategic Arms Division of Pakistans' Military told a Pakistani newspaper that Pakistan had "about 80 to 120 genuine warheads."

They not only are a nuclear nation, but that place is full of all kinds of crazy - and they were harboring the most wanted man in the world (who we only caught after we stopped telling Pakistan about our operational plans in their country).

While I'm not sure we would go so far as a nuclear response, I wouldn't find it unbelieveable that Pakistan might launch on someone we like a lot.
Edited by NetworkTV - 9/28/12 at 1:07pm
post #57 of 581
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Originally Posted by dclark View Post

You don't get it. I am tired of the liberal hollywood establishment trying to portray minorities as something they are not. for example, they'll often cast the science genus with a black (or afro american for you pc obsessed people) but when was the last time a black person won a nobel peace prize in science? And, don't forget how the villains are always played by white people.

Do you not realize how racist and bigoted that sounds? If that statement represents your actual thinking then you are an embarrassment to this, and I suspect all non-"liberal" human beings. I'm not "PC-obsessed" I merely prefer to judge people based on their behavior, not based on my prejudices.

By the way, you may want to read about Wangari Muta Maathai, while it was only the Nobel Peace Prize, it was due to her work as a biologist.

Or maybe this page would enlighten you: https://webfiles.uci.edu/mcbrown/display/faces.html
post #58 of 581
Oh yeah, sorry I confused it with Afghanistan.. my bad.. :P
post #59 of 581
I have enough faith in the showrunners here to believe they've written a fairly comprehensive "bible" that will give them enough plotline options to carry them through follow-on seasons. But it's going to be tough. This isn't LOST where the narrative liberties offered by science fiction and paranormal fantasy gave them virtually unlimited options. Nor is it like '24' which conveniently rebooted every season and only had to protect the continuity of one character. But this could be fun if they can pull it off.
post #60 of 581
But unlike 24, the damage here is done, nukes should be flying out everywhere it seems in retaliation.. after reading that wiki I see that Pakistan has a second strike capability, they should be sending nukes to the US like ASAP..
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