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post #61 of 581
9/28/12 at 1:14pm
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Originally Posted by DrLar View Post

Oh yeah, sorry I confused it with Afghanistan.. my bad.. :P
No worries - it gave me a chance to read that article, which is a very scary read.

It's easy to confuse all these wannabe nuclear powers, from North Korea, India, Iran and even China. That's a lot of firepower in areas of the world whose governments probably wouldn't flinch if half their citizens got nuked - as long as the heads of state got to their bunkers.

Having said that...if conditions were still the same in Afghanistan as they were in the 80's, it's likely Russia (AKA: the USSR) would have attempted to put some warheads there. We almost had WWIII over them attempting to do it in Cuba. Our whole trouble started over there when we were competing with the Russians as to who could arm their puppet armies the most (then leave them all to fight it out).
Edited by NetworkTV - 9/28/12 at 1:19pm
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post #62 of 581
9/28/12 at 1:25pm
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Originally Posted by NetworkTV View Post

It's easy to confuse all these wannabe nuclear powers, from North Korea, India, Iran and even China. That's a lot of firepower in areas of the world whose governments probably wouldn't flinch if half their citizens got nuked - as long as the heads of state got to their bunkers.

I don't really think that's true. Bunkers wouldn't protect them. Nearly everyone has some sort of preservation instinct, and no leader wants to be the one to annihilate his own country. (Hitler excepted, perhaps.) And that's what would happen if one of these rogue states were to launch a nuclear attack on the U.S. or Russia.
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post #63 of 581
9/28/12 at 1:32pm
Keep the action and suspence,lose the romance. Enjoyed the first episode,better than another crime drama.
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post #64 of 581
9/28/12 at 1:32pm
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Originally Posted by VisionOn View Post

And one other dumb thing they did (just like in Mission Impossible 4) the show has no idea how nuclear missiles work. Tridents have how many warheads capable of striking how many targets? Yet here was another missile that did not release the individual warheads and exploded in the water like it was a rocket.
At least it didn't bounce off a building.

That was odd to me as well. Each modern Trident has, I think, 8 MIRV warheads. A Trident strike with one warhead would seem unlikely. The two strikes on Pakistan appeared to be single warhead hits also. Also, how could the Captain have reprogrammed one Trident's targeting to Washington on his own? I suppose we could tear the show's technical missteps apart ad nauseum but in spite of them, the episode was very intriguing so I'll just roll with it.
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post #65 of 581
9/28/12 at 1:37pm
just finished watching it without commercials and enjoyed it.. Andre is one of my favorite actors, was waiting for Gene Hackman and Denzel to appear on the sub. (Crimson tide), as suggested by a previous poster..I will stick with it for a few more episodes, I like subs. Agreed , that sub has plenty of room, what deck is the Home Theater on?
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post #66 of 581
9/28/12 at 1:41pm
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Originally Posted by archiguy View Post

I don't really think that's true. Bunkers wouldn't protect them. Nearly everyone has some sort of preservation instinct, and no leader wants to be the one to annihilate his own country. (Hitler excepted, perhaps.) And that's what would happen if one of these rogue states were to launch a nuclear attack on the U.S. or Russia.
Have you checked in with Syria lately?

Some of these leaders are complete loony-bags that will flatten their citizens if it suits their position - then claim it's all the work of terrorists or whoever else they can blame. Further, these guys have very good friends in other countries who are more than happy to harbor them while all hell breaks loose in their own land. The bunkers don't have to be at home.
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post #67 of 581
9/28/12 at 1:45pm
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Originally Posted by taxman48 View Post

just finished watching it without commercials and enjoyed it.. Andre is one of my favorite actors, was waiting for Gene Hackman and Denzel to appear on the sub. (Crimson tide), as suggested by a previous poster..I will stick with it for a few more episodes, I like subs. Agreed , that sub has plenty of room, what deck is the Home Theater on?

Can someone clarify if it's normal engineering to have a CPU cooler and fan externally mounted to panels in a Ohio-class submarine?

There was one conversation scene and I couldn't help staring at the background scenery and wondering. biggrin.gif
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post #68 of 581
9/28/12 at 2:12pm
that fan bothered me too. I don't even remember what the conversation was about.
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post #69 of 581
9/28/12 at 2:48pm
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Originally Posted by VisionOn View Post

Can someone clarify if it's normal engineering to have a CPU cooler and fan externally mounted to panels in a Ohio-class submarine?
There was one conversation scene and I couldn't help staring at the background scenery and wondering. biggrin.gif

There were hundreds of problems with the interior of the Submarine. If my boats looked as nice as that, with hotties dancing on the conn when we crossed the equator, I would have re-enlisted tongue.gif
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post #70 of 581
9/28/12 at 3:18pm
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Originally Posted by DrLar View Post

But unlike 24, the damage here is done, nukes should be flying out everywhere it seems in retaliation.. after reading that wiki I see that Pakistan has a second strike capability, they should be sending nukes to the US like ASAP..

They don't have any strike capability against the US - if they want to retaliate, it'd take a couple weeks to get to the US by shipping container.
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post #71 of 581
9/28/12 at 3:24pm
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Originally Posted by NetworkTV View Post


While I'm not sure we would go so far as a nuclear response, I wouldn't find it unbelieveable that Pakistan might launch on someone we like a lot.

The only way we would retaliate with a nuclear attack is if they had "sunk" the Colorado with nuclear weapons.
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post #72 of 581
9/28/12 at 3:30pm
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Originally Posted by DrLar View Post

One odd thing, the Colorado had 4 targets on the orders, afterwards only 2 missiles launched from somewhere else (perhaps the Illinois like someone mentioned), maybe they didn't have th 4 ?

My assumption was that they were going to target 4 cities and then blame the Colorado for a rogue strike against Pakistan - then sink the Colorado with the Illinois. Since it didn't work, they could only justify two cities in retaliation for Pakistan sinking the Colorado.

At least that's how my mind filled in the gaps when I was questioning the same thing.
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post #73 of 581
9/28/12 at 3:31pm
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Originally Posted by CPanther95 View Post

The only way we would retaliate with a nuclear attack is if they had "sunk" the Colorado with nuclear weapons.
I'm referring to someone we like more than that - like Israel. We might even do it for England. France...well, we'd feel bad for them...
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post #74 of 581
9/28/12 at 3:49pm
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Originally Posted by NetworkTV View Post

I'm referring to someone we like more than that - like Israel. We might even do it for England. France...well, we'd feel bad for them...

I see what your saying. I agree - accept possibly for the feeling bad. smile.gif
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post #75 of 581
9/28/12 at 4:06pm
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Originally Posted by NetworkTV View Post

I'm referring to someone we like more than that - like Israel. We might even do it for England. France...well, we'd feel bad for them...

I don't think they can reach Israel, but the first guy to do so gets "glassed over" by us or the Israelis. Watching that will end a lot of nuclear aspirations.
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post #76 of 581
9/28/12 at 4:21pm
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Originally Posted by CPanther95 View Post

I see what your saying. I agree - accept possibly for the feeling bad. smile.gif
Well, they did give us that statue...and helped save our butts during the Revolutionary war. Plus, we'd be overrun with snails if they didn't eat them...
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post #77 of 581
9/28/12 at 4:24pm
can someone tell whether or not they are going to replay thursday nites episode as i was watching the ravens game.
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post #78 of 581
9/28/12 at 4:32pm
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Originally Posted by rviele View Post

can someone tell whether or not they are going to replay thursday nites episode as i was watching the ravens game.
Uh, the entire episode is on-line now.

I also just saw on ABC-TV that the episode will be repeated tonight at 9:00PM after Shark Tank.
Edited by BoilerJim - 9/28/12 at 5:05pm
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post #79 of 581
9/28/12 at 5:06pm
Crossing the Equator for the first time in the Navy is a big celebration. Any Navy members out there?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line-crossing_ceremony
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post #80 of 581
9/28/12 at 5:17pm

Well, I can pick a nit off of a show as well as anyone - just look in on the Revolution or Falling Skies threads - but, I cut this one some major slack.  Really, complaining about the sub being a bit (or even a lot) too big?  Do we really want to watch a drama unfold in a cramped space using shaky cams in order to hew to reality quite that much?  I don't.  And I doubt most people know, or care much about the MIRV nature of Tridents, which is pretty sophisticated knowledge for the general public.  It's not quite the same as airliners simply flat spinning out of the sky like in Revolution.  Or maybe it is and I just don't care much because they did it in an entertaining and mostly non-ludicrous way.  I thought the pilot was fast paced excitement and that they laid out enough plot lines to feed several types of stories and conflicts for a while.  The long term issue I do agree with is the overarching story of the nuclear war and rogue gov't.  That sort of thing likely wouldn't occur so fast or easily and would solve much more quickly, based on the actions taken so far.  But, I'm in for now and hope they are creative enough to keep it going. 

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post #81 of 581
9/28/12 at 6:32pm
Did any one else have audio issues during the show? My audio volume would dip big time during action scenes and get louder during non action scenes. It was very annoying.
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post #82 of 581
9/28/12 at 7:12pm
Oh yes - very annoying.
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post #83 of 581
9/28/12 at 7:12pm
i just watched the first episode again and since washington wasn't destroyed as i thought why was the colorado fired on?
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post #84 of 581
9/28/12 at 7:18pm
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Originally Posted by rviele View Post

i just watched the first episode again and since washington wasn't destroyed as i thought why was the colorado fired on?

They tried to sink the Colorado when it refused to launch against Pakistan. They then blamed Pakistan for the (failed) sinking to justify launching in retaliation.
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post #85 of 581
9/28/12 at 7:49pm
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Originally Posted by rolltide1017 View Post

Did any one else have audio issues during the show?

I had to set the volume much higher than normal. The show seemed to suffer from poor mixing, but whoever does the score gets major kudos from me. It's a lot better than most shows' music. It's too bad they wouldn't let that person score an opening sequence... sigh.

IMHO the fact that this show's plot seems unsustainable is a good sign, assuming the writing is competent. If they can keep up the suspense from week to week, it will make for an excellent series. It will be a pity if the story turns out to be truly unsustainable and causes the show to fail, but I'd rather watch a show that starts out ambitious and has the chance to achieve greatness, rather than a show that settles for something safe and mediocre from the start.
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post #86 of 581
9/28/12 at 8:17pm
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Originally Posted by CPanther95 View Post

They tried to sink the Colorado when it refused to launch against Pakistan. They then blamed Pakistan for the (failed) sinking to justify launching in retaliation.
For those of us old enough, it sure sounded like a Gulf of Tonkin scenario didn't it? Of course why anyone, outside of India, would go to a nuclear shooting war with Pakistan using such an elaborate pretext is mystifying.
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post #87 of 581
9/28/12 at 10:21pm
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Originally Posted by taxman48 View Post

Crossing the Equator for the first time in the Navy is a big celebration. Any Navy members out there?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line-crossing_ceremony

Oh yeah....destroyers and ammo supply ships during the Nam era. I still remember the "ceremony", but no babes mad.gif
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post #88 of 581
9/28/12 at 11:01pm
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Originally Posted by Cal1981 View Post

For those of us old enough, it sure sounded like a Gulf of Tonkin scenario didn't it? Of course why anyone, outside of India, would go to a nuclear shooting war with Pakistan using such an elaborate pretext is mystifying.

Yeah, the phantom part of Tonkin was similar.

In today's climate however, this would be difficult to pull off. You have NATO monitoring stations like the one pictured - plus I believe Pakistan is now part of our NATO forces in that region which should make it difficult to pull off this ruse.
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post #89 of 581
9/28/12 at 11:06pm
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Originally Posted by VisionOn View Post

And one other dumb thing they did (just like in Mission Impossible 4) the show has no idea how nuclear missiles work. Tridents have how many warheads capable of striking how many targets? Yet here was another missile that did not release the individual warheads and exploded in the water like it was a rocket.
At least it didn't bounce off a building.

First thing was they'd have to re-target the missile and what about all of the other W/Hs on the bus? Just vaporize in the blast?
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Originally Posted by Gandu View Post

There were some glaring errors with regard to the submarine, submarine operation, the capabilities of the Trident missile and the launch sequence. As has been mentioned earlier in this thread, a certain amount of artistic license is needed to make normally dull submarine life exciting enough for a series. I will mention a few of the big errors; there is no 'Arctic network' to pass launch orders, there is no self destruct on a Trident, after the impact to the ocean floor at 1500 ft depth (or whatever it was) the volume of water at that pressure (660 psi) would have flooded the boat in minutes. All that being said, the premise is interesting and different, I will suspend belief on the submarine/ Navy 'mistakes' as artistic license and continue to watch.

I felt like it was Crimson Tide meets the Hunt For Red October. wink.gif
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Originally Posted by dclark View Post

My dad was an engineer for 40 years working on all kinds of secret radar crap and not once did he work or meet a female engineer, much less a hot looking one.

I worked on secret stuff as an engineer for 35 years and worked w/ several hot female engineers. Of course they were about 20 years younger but hot none the less. wink.gif

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Originally Posted by DrLar View Post

One odd thing, the Colorado had 4 targets on the orders, afterwards only 2 missiles launched from somewhere else (perhaps the Illinois like someone mentioned), maybe they didn't have th 4 ?
Also why NUCLEAR missiles Vs. Pakistan? I didn't know they had nuke power, if it was North Korea or something..
The conspirators seem to be everywhere, even visiting the families of the crew to intercept phone calls and all..
I only see a 13 episode series, just like "Missing" and they would claim is a mini-series..

I think the premise is the President is in political trouble and needs a diversion so he nukes Pakistan.
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Originally Posted by taxman48 View Post

Crossing the Equator for the first time in the Navy is a big celebration. Any Navy members out there?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line-crossing_ceremony

Forty four years ago I crossed the Equator and believe me, the ceremony wasn't even close to what they were doing on the sub. More like a fraternity initiation on steroids. Took an hour to get the gun grease out of my hair. eek.gif
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post #90 of 581
9/28/12 at 11:55pm
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Originally Posted by Wytchone View Post

Can't wait but I will. Want to see it in it's full HD Glory smile.gif

720p is not HD is its full glory. Watching it in 1080p is another matter. No commercials, no bugs, no snipes. And yes, that is how I watched it (took the 1080i and IVTC recoded to 23.976).

Don't ask where I got the 1080i from. I'm invoking my old NavSecGru Top Secret clearance (never went to sea during my 6 yrs and 1 day enlistment). biggrin.gif
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