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post #1381 of 4475
12/5/12 at 10:16am
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Originally Posted by mtbdudex View Post

...In my old 4308CI I could show graphs, seems like Denon dropped those from this 4520, or are they burried somewhere?..
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

They are still there...
And about as useful- IOW to detect a bad mic or blown tweeter. As I'm sure you know, Mike, you'll need to crack out the XTZ at some point to really see what's goin on.
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post #1382 of 4475
12/5/12 at 11:28am
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Originally Posted by mtbdudex View Post

...In my old 4308CI I could show graphs, seems like Denon dropped those from this 4520, or are they burried somewhere?..
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

They are still there...
And about as useful- IOW to detect a bad mic or blown tweeter. As I'm sure you know, Mike, you'll need to crack out the XTZ at some point to really see what's goin on.

Thjx Jerry and Rich for quiuck response.
My understanding of those charts is that is the filters (roughly) that Audyssey is applying onto your signal to try and get a desired in room response, like you said not the actual in room response chart.

Yep, get out my EMC8000 and REW and some late night fun smile.gif
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post #1383 of 4475
12/5/12 at 3:43pm
^^^

you have an "interesting" idea of fun... tongue.gifbiggrin.gif

for those interested in zone 4... here's data point for signal strength... finally got everything semi glued together for that... i'm running it with a 40 foot blue jeans series 1 cable, standard speed... no problems passing 1080p60... that's a good sign... smile.gif

other stuff:

edid info seems to pass unmolested... i tested this with multiple sources and sinks...

it handshakes gracefully when the reported display resolution changes, as well as on source changes...

use zone 4 discrete codes for power on and off... especially "off"... also, you may need to increase the power on delay for zone 4... when the main zone is off, a zone 4 "on" command takes a bit longer than expected... i had to increase the delay to 2 seconds before a subsequent zone 4 command would reliably work...

i hope to get zone 2 implemented by the weekend... we will see... i don't expect any issues there...
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post #1384 of 4475
12/5/12 at 5:27pm
Firmware update - Dec 6

The firmware update to resolve the current Pandora connection issue is due out tomorrow Dec 6 for the 4520CI.
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post #1385 of 4475
12/5/12 at 6:12pm
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Firmware update - Dec 6
The firmware update to resolve the current Pandora connection issue is due out tomorrow Dec 6 for the 4520CI.

Any other fixes included in this release, JD?
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post #1386 of 4475
12/5/12 at 6:14pm
Not likely as it's only 3 minutes long on the lower level models, but I'll check to confirm.

Edit: Nope, just the Pandora fix.
Edited by jdsmoothie - 12/6/12 at 2:24am
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post #1387 of 4475
12/5/12 at 7:34pm
The FW update is already available for the 4520. I have downloaded it successfully. I would test the Pandora fix, however I don't use the 4520 to stream Pandora (I am a Sonos user).
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post #1388 of 4475
12/5/12 at 9:02pm
I am coming from a. A100 and a 4311 so it's been a bit of shock and awe for menu changes Lets see if others experience degregatio in sound qulasuli
Edited by mariob33 - 12/5/12 at 9:11pm
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post #1389 of 4475
12/6/12 at 2:40am
Network Reset vs. Full Factory/Deep Reset

On past year's 33XXCI and higher models, I have used the terms "Network" and "Deep" reset interchangeably to refer to the process that resets the network settings and also does a microprocessor reset as well. This process should still work on the 4520CI; however, going forward we'll only use the term "Deep" or "Full Factory" reset to describe it.

On the 4520CI, there is now a true "Network only" reset, which can be initiated by pressing/holding the DIMMER/INFO buttons while powering on the AVR.


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post #1390 of 4475
12/6/12 at 2:41am
Firmware did fix the Pandora issue. Not sure why, but even with this pandora fix, it still remembers the pandora password and logs right in, yet with each of the two firmware updates I have done on the 4520, including this morning, you have to log in fresh for spotify?

I don't remember, is there any way to arrange the pandora stations alphabetically like you can in the online version, or rearrange them.

I do know that if you manually arrange the Spotify folders online, they are in that arrangement on the Denon menu as well, but the same does not seem to be true of Pandora.

I do wish they would get the ability to play Spotify radio stations. Not sure why this is not included?
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post #1391 of 4475
12/6/12 at 2:51am
Need some more source name labels?

For those of you who are using the RS-232 serial codes with a RS-232 controller (ie. Chris), you likely noticed the section that describes the additional source name labels: AUX3, AUX4, AUX5, AUX6, and AUX7.





Here's a nice little tidbit for those of you not using a RS-232 controller. To add and be able to access these additional source labels to your unit using either the Denon or Harmony remote, simply press/hold the DOWN arrow and BACK buttons while powering on the AVR, Enjoy! smile.gif



Edited by jdsmoothie - 12/6/12 at 2:58am
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post #1392 of 4475
12/6/12 at 3:19am
Are there 3 levels of reset now?

Full, MP and Network?

Is this correct:

Network reset is info/dimmer while powering on
MP reset: Power/info/back

Can someone please briefly restate the levels of reset and perhaps in which situation you would do each? I have tried finding this answer by searching this thread but am still not certain.

I assume that none of them reset settings to factory defaults?

Thanks
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post #1393 of 4475
12/6/12 at 3:29am
Also, after each firmware reset, I have noticed my Audyssey settings have totally changed. I keep the Dynamic Volume on Light and Audyssey LFC ON, and after each firmware update, when checked, the Dynamic Volume has reverted to Medium and the Audyssey LFC seems to get turned OFF.

Does this suggest that I need to do the auto setup for the Audyssey again? Does it change those settings as well? I do have a backup, but it is from a couple weeks ago and other things have changed since then as well.

I should have probably done a backup first or at least taken some photos of the existing settings, but you know how that goes.
Edited by Tachy - 12/6/12 at 3:36am
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post #1394 of 4475
12/6/12 at 3:35am
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Originally Posted by Tachy View Post

Are there 3 levels of reset now?
Full, MP and Network?
Is this correct:
Network reset is info/dimmer while powering on
MP reset: Power/info/back
Can someone please briefly restate the levels of reset and perhaps in which situation you would do each? I have tried finding this answer by searching this thread but am still not certain.
I assume that none of them reset settings to factory defaults?
Thanks

Full - NIC and MP
Network - NIC only
MP - MP only


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Originally Posted by Tachy View Post

Also, after each firmware reset, I have noticed my Audyssey settings have totally changed. I keep the Dynamic Volume on Light and Audyssey LFC ON, and after each firmware update, when checked, the Dynamic Volume has reverted to Medium and the Audyssey LFC seems to get turned OFF.
Does this suggest that I need to do the auto setup for the Audyssey again? Does it change those settings again. I do have a backup, but it is from a couple weeks ago and other things have changed since then as well.

It's always a good idea to have a current "valid" (ie. non-zero) backed up config file, although firmware updates generally do not change these settings. You should be able to simply reset the settings that changed and then make a new backup.
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post #1395 of 4475
12/6/12 at 3:42am
And what is the button combo for the full reset? Is it power/up/down? Did I mention the correct ones for the other 2?

Thanks
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post #1396 of 4475
12/6/12 at 5:05am
@jd... yes, i did notice those... haven't quite figured out what they are for though... it's on my list of things to play with as i'm exploring the various features... smile.gif

btw, i found out by accident last night that hdmi passthrough with the avr off works... smile.gif the default setting for the avr is "passthrough on" and "last source", if anyone cares...
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post #1397 of 4475
12/6/12 at 8:14am

Response from Denon Support regarding issue "On AVR-4520, can't access 2CH Playback Menu"

 

Discussion Thread From Submitted Question

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Response Via Email(NJ Customer Service & Support) - 12/06/2012 09:48 AM

Hi Jerry,

 

We're sorry for the delay to your inquiry.  We have emailed Japan to find out the answer to this since we can't access it either with our AVR-4520CI.  Once we have a response we will be in contact with you.

 

 

Thank you,

 

Technical Support/Custom Install

D+M Group

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post #1398 of 4475
12/6/12 at 8:25am
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Need some more source name labels?
For those of you who are using the RS-232 serial codes with a RS-232 controller, you likely noticed the section that describes the additional source name labels: AUX3, AUX4, AUX5, AUX6, and AUX7.]


Does this mean I can plug say another media player in an empty HDMI input and associate it with AUX3?

Will I then be able to rename the source?

The only way then to access the Aux3-Aux7 is by a discrete code.
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post #1399 of 4475
12/6/12 at 9:53am
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Need some more source name labels?

For those of you who are using the RS-232 serial codes with a RS-232 controller (ie. Chris), you likely noticed the section that describes the additional source name labels: AUX3, AUX4, AUX5, AUX6, and AUX7.





Here's a nice little tidbit for those of you not using a RS-232 controller. To add and be able to access these additional source labels to your unit using either the Denon or Harmony remote, simply press/hold the DOWN arrow and BACK buttons while powering on the AVR, Enjoy! smile.gif




wowza! how did you find that out?! tongue.gif inside chat with Denon engineers?

Also, in terms of the reset, do you know if the "three levels" of reset applies to other current (xx13) models or just the 4520ci? And I assume you will add the instructions for the three resets to the beginning of this thread?
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post #1400 of 4475
12/6/12 at 11:33am
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Have you tried calling around to authorized dealers? You might be surprised at the prices that are currently available.

I was able to get 20% off list at BestBuy
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post #1401 of 4475
12/6/12 at 11:40am
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

Response from Denon Support regarding issue "On AVR-4520, can't access 2CH Playback Menu"

Discussion Thread From Submitted Question

Response Via Email(NJ Customer Service & Support) - 12/06/2012 09:48 AM
Hi Jerry,

We're sorry for the delay to your inquiry.  We have emailed Japan to find out the answer to this since we can't access it either with our AVR-4520CI.  Once we have a response we will be in contact with you.


Thank you,

Technical Support/Custom Install
D+M Group

hopefully a minor "oops" in the firmware...

geez, responses both to this AND the pro issue... go buy lottery tickets, its your lucky day.. biggrin.gif
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post #1402 of 4475
12/6/12 at 11:59am
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Originally Posted by lentiman View Post

I was able to get 20% off list at BestBuy

That's not bad, but 25% off MSRP is possible. At least one person managed to get 29% off MSRP on a local black friday sale from an authorized dealer. Prices and willingness to discount seem to change as time flies by.

But, be careful with respect to authorized dealers. From what I understand, Denon distinguished between vendors that are authorized to sell to a local area around a brick and mortar store and those vendors that are authorized to sell and ship units outside of their local area (these are called authorized internet retailers). Just because a vendor is authorized to service a local market doesn't mean they can sell and ship units outside of their area. Has anyone heard anything different ? I'm new to Denon, so I am relying on what I was told by both a Denon customer service representative and several authorized internet retailers.

- Steven
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post #1403 of 4475
12/6/12 at 12:43pm
Just got this delivered. Trying to set up audyssey without turning the projector on. Does the front screen of the 4520ci show instructions like the onkyos do or do you just have to follow blindly. The projector fan would seriously alter the calibration.
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post #1404 of 4475
12/6/12 at 1:11pm
I generally like consistency, especially when it pertains to the behavior of my audio equipment. The 3-minute FW update last night caused my 4520 to revert to a previous calibration, just as after the last FW update, as I reported in this post: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1430049/the-official-denon-avr-4520ci-thread/990#post_22604500. How do I know it reverted? There are always one or more "tells" that identify a particular calibration, e.g. a particular trim or distance setting, or one of the graphs in the EQ display.

So, while this behavior is consistent for me, no one else has reported a similar experience. It is possible that it is because my calibrations are Audyssey Pro calibrations. It's conceivable, although somewhat far fetched, that a Pro calibration is stored in the AVR differently. So, I look to my friend Chris to check carefully before and after he upgrades the FW to see if he experiences this same issue, since he is one of the few others using Pro on the 4520.

Of course, since I always have a configuration backup, a simple re-load fixed things quickly.
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post #1405 of 4475
12/6/12 at 1:15pm
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

I generally like consistency, especially when it pertains to the behavior of my audio equipment. The 3-minute FW update last night caused my 4520 to revert to a previous calibration, just as after the last FW update, as I reported in this post: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1430049/the-official-denon-avr-4520ci-thread/990#post_22604500. How do I know it reverted? There are always one or more "tells" that identify a particular calibration, e.g. a particular trim or distance setting, or one of the graphs in the EQ display.
So, while this behavior is consistent for me, no one else has reported a similar experience. It is possible that it is because my calibrations are Audyssey Pro calibrations. It's conceivable, although somewhat far fetched, that a Pro calibration is stored in the AVR differently. So, I look to my friend Chris to check carefully before and after he upgrades the FW to see if he experiences this same issue, since he is one of the few others using Pro on the 4520.
Of course, since I always have a configuration backup, a simple re-load fixed things quickly.

I would have checked my non-pro if I had known this was a potential issue. I will check next update for sure now. I'm also going to run my calibration again just in case.
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post #1406 of 4475
12/6/12 at 1:19pm
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Originally Posted by 7channelfreak View Post

I would have checked my non-pro if I had known this was a potential issue. I will check next update for sure now. I'm also going to run my calibration again just in case.

You can save time, and provide peace of mind, by simply making a note of the results of a calibration (e.g. distances and trims). Usually, each successive calibration results in some small variance in these values due to mic positioning, so comparing the current AVR settings to the last known good settings will reveal if something has happened.
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post #1407 of 4475
12/6/12 at 1:22pm
@jerry...

will do... smile.gif once i get my network issue squared away, i'll do the firmware update and see what happens...
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post #1408 of 4475
12/6/12 at 2:42pm
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Originally Posted by scbartling View Post

Also, you don't need to go with high tech and expensive solutions to reduce temperatures.
In my prior setup, I just purchase 120MM 110V muffin fans (1000 - 1200 RPM) and plugged them into the switched 110V switched outlets on the back of older receivers. These cost about $10 each and were both silent and effective.
Since I did not want fans on all the time and the 4520 does not have a switched AC outlet on back anymore, I decided to upgrade to the coolerguys 12V DC temperature control unit and fans.
- Steven

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Originally Posted by petetherock View Post

I bought some USB operated fans, and just taped them onto the shelves near the Denon, and another for my TV. Works like a charm, no fuss for $5 each. From my sitting position, I can't hear them at all.

Just a heads up...the workaround I did since we don't have a switched outlet was use a USB CoolerGuys fan (like what I used before) but I then had to switch OFF Networking on Power Off since Denon decided to link USB power and Networking.
Edited by mrkalel - 12/6/12 at 2:49pm
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post #1409 of 4475
12/7/12 at 3:41am
Borrowed a 4520 to try out as strictly as a pre-amp in my system. My previous unit, Onkyo 5508, quit on me for the third time since I purchased it in April. I must say that after running the Audyssey Pro(with the help of a good friend) the results were amazing.. In fact, for whatever reason, the Denon did a better job than the 5508....which has me scratching my head since they are the same Audyssey software.

This test was done to see if I should wait it out for the new Marantz AV8801. I thought I would miss not having the XLR inputs running to my Sunfire Amp, but I don't. Plus it doesn't make that HORRIBLE clicking noise the Onkyo did. It looks like I will be adding this unit full time to my setup to use as a pre-amp.

Having owned several Denon units, most recently the 4810, this appears to be my favorite since the 3802 I had for several years...

Just my opinon..
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post #1410 of 4475
12/7/12 at 3:58am
I also found the 4520 to have better steering effects than the 4311, even though both had XT 32. Can't explain it...
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