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post #1891 of 7683
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Are you SURE about that? AFAIK nobody has confirmed that the "All Zone Stereo" function overrides the analog-only restriction for other zones.

It worked for Zone 2 on my system using a HDMI source.....double checked before I posted.
post #1892 of 7683
You sure you don't also have an analog cable connected from that source as well?
post #1893 of 7683
Thread Starter 
If true this is a really big deal. Can another 4520 confirm that All Zone Stereo will output a digital source in other zones?

Does it force the main zone to play in STEREO mode?
post #1894 of 7683
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Correct, only analog audio connected sources, USB, AM/FM Tuner, and network audio sources will pass to Zones 2/3. Zone 4 only passes the audio/video from the Zone4(HDMI) monitor out jack.
Your kitchen speakers "line up perfectly" in what respect? You can set them up as "Surr Back" speakers (if you only have a 5.1 setup) or as "Front B" speakers (to be set to ON/OFF as desired) and then play any audio playing in the main zone to them (HDMI or otherwise), otherwise as noted above, if setup as Zone 2/3 speakers, HDMI audio will not pass to them.

Thanks for the replies... by 'line up perfectly' I mean that the center point between the two speakers in the kitchen ceiling is in line with the center of the TV in the living room. My idea was to listen when in the kitchen without having to crank up the volume of the speakers in the living room (I do all the cooking in my family and spend time in the kitchen while the TV is on) - but the source is either Direct TV via HDMI or Blu-ray via HDMI so it looks like I won't be able to listen simultaneously in zone 2. I have 7.1 in the living room as its the main viewing area so ideally I'd like 5.1 playing with Direct TV or 7.1 for Blu-ray while getting a stereo downmix simultaneously in the kitchen.

The all channel stereo feature gets me there for music but not for audio coming from an HDMI source - I suppose I could redundantly connect the Direct TV receiver and the Blu-ray player via RCA cables to get the same audio playing in zone 2, I just hope there wouldn't be any sync issues.
post #1895 of 7683
^^
Well ..... hold on now ... based on Irwinroad's post just above, the "All Zone Stereo" may be the solution.
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Originally Posted by Irwinroad View Post

I as many here really appreciate the effort yourself and Batpig put in to answer
questions about Denon & Marantz as well as Home Theater in general.

Thanks. However, as neither of us owns the 4520CI we have only the manual and you owners as resources so thanks for the feature information.


Now, can we just get another owner to confirm the capability and whether the HDMI/optical source to the main zone must be stereo only? Thanks.
Edited by jdsmoothie - 12/27/12 at 8:29am
post #1896 of 7683
Quote:
Originally Posted by batpig View Post

If true this is a really big deal. Can another 4520 confirm that All Zone Stereo will output a digital source in other zones?
Does it force the main zone to play in STEREO mode?

Yes when you press the info button it says SOUND ALL ZONE STEREO

Then when you toggle back the main zone goes back to multi channel

Not sure what else I can do.......... but it works as advertised
post #1897 of 7683
So then you're getting multi channel DD/DTS 5.1 in the main zone while the same audio (stereo only) is playing in Zone 2?
post #1898 of 7683
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

So then you're getting multi channel DD/DTS 5.1 in the main zone while the same audio (stereo only) is playing in Zone 2?

5.1 system here. When I load up the Disney WOW disc on the media player and go to 5.1 Speaker ID test
In the Main Zone I get Left Center Right Right Sur Left Sur LFE as usual Nothing in Zone 2

When I toggle the ALL ZONE Stereo On on the Denon and try the same test I get "Right Side" from
the Right Surround Right Front and Center. "Left Side" registers on the Left Front Center and Left Surround
LFE does not register. Zone 2 gives me Left Side Right Side.
post #1899 of 7683
Okay, then it does indeed down mix the main zone to multi channel stereo. Thanks.

Still would like one of you other owners with a Zone 2 setup to confirm. Thanks. smile.gif
post #1900 of 7683
I am currently very annoyed with Denon and their lack of customer support. As a long time Denon customer, they used to stand behind their products and actually care about customer opinions and comments.

I recently purchased the 4520, and had opened tickets on their web site support area about a month ago on several issues. (the Pandora issues, the fact that several times my unit has reverted to prior settings, whenever I do a firmware update as well as other times, as well as other issues. )

After 3-4 weeks without answering the emails, today I got email responses to all of my tickets saying that they were sorry about the delay of answering and basically that due to the volume of emails they get, they cannot answer. I got the same generic answer to ALL of my tickets, It suggested that if there were still issues, if I wanted, I could call.

They then listed all of the open tickets that I had as "Completed". It does not even look like they chose to read any of these bug reports or questions.

With support like this, they are sure to lose customers unless they change their ways.
Edited by Tachy - 12/27/12 at 9:28pm
post #1901 of 7683
Hi jdsmoothie

This is my 1st post

i am in UK....I have had a little play around with my UK 4520 with all zone stereo (option)
main zone will not pass HDMI audio to zone 2/3 but it will pass optical/coax audio to zone 2/3 from main
zone in all zone stereo & main zone....main zone switches to multi channel stereo
this has no effect on zone 4 whats so ever when selected
i have tried this with internal zone amp and also zone line out to another amp
post #1902 of 7683
Welcome to AVS Forum! smile.gif

Thanks for the followup willyone. So no HDMI .... hmmm. Seems strange the European model would have a different design.

Any other USA/CA owners care to comment on whether the "All Zone Stereo" will pass a main zone HDMI and/or optical/digital coax source to Zone 2? Thanks.
post #1903 of 7683
dose the USA model pass audio from HDMI to zone 2/3 ?
my findings was with just HDMI connection
when i selected all zone stereo nothing...once i connected the optical/coax
bingo....

thanks for the welcome....been following the thred for along time now and its helped
in many ways b4 i picked up the 4520 last week

cheers
post #1904 of 7683
Hi willyone

What firmware version is in your AVR. Mine is 3325 0792 1424.

I also have Aux3-Aux7 enabled.

Thanks
Edited by Irwinroad - 12/28/12 at 5:49am
post #1905 of 7683
Thread Starter 
Well you definitely wouldn't expect it to have any effect on Zone 4 because that is dedicated to the matrix HDMI output.
post #1906 of 7683
hi Irwinroad

same version..updated yesterday

batpig

your definitely correct....
post #1907 of 7683
Welcome, Willyone! We have had plenty of international representation on this thread from Down Under. It's nice to have someone from Up Top.... wink.gif
post #1908 of 7683
I'm a Christmas A/Ver. The 4520 replaces my much loved but failing B&K AVR-317. I was skeptical that the new piece would sound as good, but I was hands-down wrong. It made a huge difference that everyone in the family has noticed. My B&W 804Ns just love it. I've also now eliminated the BFD for equalization. The Audessy 32 did a better job. I was also considering a Marantz 7701 and the new 7 channel power amp but could tell no difference in the sound. For 2 grand less and the functionality of the much more expensive 8801 it made more sense to go with the Denon piece. If later I want a separate power amp I can certainly add it and use the Denon for a Pre. Maybe even just a high-end 2-channel separate for music. Plus the Denon has an 11 instead of only 7 channel Pre-amp capability of the 7701.. It has PLENTY of power to push my 804s (another concern going in) with just two channels but I intend to bi-amp them soon with the extra 2 channels left over on my 7.1 setup to see if there is some sound quality improvement there. So far, a Very Happy camper here.
post #1909 of 7683
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Originally Posted by Irwinroad View Post

No analog cable connected. I tried with an optical from a satellite receiver
as well as HDMI from a media player.
I have a discrete code programmed to turn on "All Zone Stereo On"
When playing a digital only source in the Main Zone the only way I
can get sound in Zone 2 is by going to option then "All Zone Stereo On"
It works as advertised in the Owners Manual
I as many here really appreciate the effort yourself and Batpig put in to answer
questions about Denon & Marantz as well as Home Theater in general.

Do you have the choice of using amp assign for zone 2&3 or using the pre-outs with this?
Does the main/zone2/zone3 all have independent volume correct when using the all zone stereo?

Thanks
post #1910 of 7683
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Originally Posted by Guinness77 View Post

Do you have the choice of using amp assign for zone 2&3 or using the pre-outs with this?
Does the main/zone2/zone3 all have independent volume correct when using the all zone stereo?
Thanks

I am using the 4520 in Pre-Amp mode Page 111 of the Owner's manual shows how to connect
Zones by speaker output.

I only have Zone 2 connected and yes the independent volume for Zone 2 works using All Zone Stereo.
post #1911 of 7683
Thanks, that is great news.
post #1912 of 7683
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Okay, then it does indeed down mix the main zone to multi channel stereo. Thanks.
Still would like one of you other owners with a Zone 2 setup to confirm. Thanks. smile.gif

I can confirm that it works.I played a disc with DTS HD Master audio in the main zone and I could hear front Left and Right channels in Zone 2. I don't have any analog connections either.
post #1913 of 7683
^^
Thanks for this confirmation. And the main zone is then converted to Multi CH Stereo?
post #1914 of 7683
Long story short, I'm suppose to receive my replacement 4520 today. Any good recommendations on a networking device, so I can use my iphone or ipad as a remote? I currently have Motorola Surfboard 6580 for the main modem/router, but do not know what would be compatible to network?
post #1915 of 7683
Well, first of all, the AVR-4520 is already controllable with the iPhone/iPad. Just download the Denon App from the App Store. But if you want a device that will allow to control all you AV gear from your iPhone/iPad, I suggest to go with the Logitech Harmony Link. I use it for my secondary AV system so I control the music from my outdoor speakers with my iPad even if the AV receiver is inside the house. I like it a lot. It connects to your wifi and you just need to download the harmony Link app on your iDevice.It is around 99$ and it is super easy to setup thanks to Logitech's Harmony system that will set everything up itself just by telling the device what gear you have.
post #1916 of 7683
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Originally Posted by Irwinroad View Post

Hi willyone
What firmware version is in your AVR. Mine is 3325 0792 1424.
I also have Aux3-Aux7 enabled.
Thanks

This is the same version noted after the last update back in November.
post #1917 of 7683
I know this is a weird question, but for adding a record player (phono) since we have a dedicated input on the AVR-4520ci should I be looking for something without or with a built in pre amp?

I was looking at this :

http://www.amazon.com/Audio-Technica-AT-LP120-USB-Direct-Drive-Professional-Turntable/dp/B002S1CJ2Q/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=2BVJII77O6GM2&coliid=I2Z2UQ7B9A2ZSG

Trying to stay under $400 range for a phono to play all my Dad's records he left me when he passed last week.
post #1918 of 7683
That item appears to have a built-in pre amp such that you can simply connect it to any analog input on the AVR (except the PHONO input), otherwise it says it is "selectable" possibly meaning you can turn it off and then you would need to connect it to the PHONO input. So with the 4520CI it doesn't matter whether the turntable has a built in pre-amp or not. smile.gif
post #1919 of 7683
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Originally Posted by Mark1000 View Post


Are you sure about this? I have to turn on "Always ON" to make a successful backup, because without that, the connection is lost before the save starts writing to a local file on my computer. After a save, I set it back to "Off in Standby" because it leads to network errors in my setup.

 

Mark,

 

The network save functionality on Denon receivers has always been somewhat quirky.  There have been a number of postings regarding which network setting results in a successful save, whether the resulting save is a valid file or nothing but zeros, and whether the save actually completes or not.  Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be a "right" answer.  The recommendation is to experiment until you find a repeatable process for a successful save, and then make sure you actually do periodic saves, especially if you have made significant changes to the AVR, such as running a fresh calibration, adding a new device, etc.

 

In my case, the "Off in Standby" produces consistent results.  But, as I reported in my previous post, and which I confirmed in subsequent testing, one must remember that the "Off in Standby" mode shuts off network connectivity to any other devices that are connected to the 4-port network hub.

post #1920 of 7683
^^
Noted. Post #3 updated to include this info. Thanks AJ.
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