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post #1981 of 4880
1/3/13 at 6:16am
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Originally Posted by Theresa View Post

If they can be driven by an iPhone to decent levels than your response is not pertinent as he was asking about less efficient headphones. I'll let you know if it can drive my Senn HD600s when I get the 4520.

Bigger=less efficient? I'll be careful not to post responses that are not pertinent in the future.
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post #1982 of 4880
1/3/13 at 6:30am
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Bigger=less efficient? I'll be careful not to post responses that are not pertinent in the future.
Please forgive me for any unintentional offense. I equated "bigger" with less efficient. I would still like to know if my "bigger" Sennheiser's will be driven to adequate levels by the 4520.
Edited by Theresa - 1/3/13 at 6:37am
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post #1983 of 4880
1/3/13 at 6:55am
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Please forgive me for any unintentional offense. I equated "bigger" with less efficient. I would still like to know if my "bigger" Sennheiser's will be driven to adequate levels by the 4520.

 

Bygones....  :)   I suspect you will know soon enough.

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post #1984 of 4880
1/3/13 at 6:59am
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Bygones....  smile.gif   I suspect you will know soon enough.
Not soon enough for me.
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post #1985 of 4880
1/3/13 at 7:37am
Hello,

I'm new to the 4520 party. Received the unit last night and was surprised how light it was. Set it up and gave it a listen. I was curious if anyone knew what type of Amplifier they use in these units? Also, do they use a switching power supply? I replace an Outlaw 990 and Adcom 7707 and the tonality is different, so it made me curious.
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post #1986 of 4880
1/3/13 at 8:19am
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Originally Posted by Theresa View Post


Not soon enough for me.


I just plugged my HD600's into the 4520 and it sounds just fine to me.  Plenty of headroom, starting at the same volume I watch bluray movies and up to 0 reference level.  I also have a separate headphone amp (Creek OBH-11SE) that I occasionally use and the Denon works just as well.

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post #1987 of 4880
1/3/13 at 8:25am
That's good to hear.
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post #1988 of 4880
1/3/13 at 4:15pm
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Originally Posted by Theresa View Post

No ETA, just that they have shipped from the Denon warehouse.

I just got word that my credit card was charged for the 4520
Shouldn't be long now
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post #1989 of 4880
1/3/13 at 5:58pm
Yup, just got my tracking number smile.gif
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post #1990 of 4880
1/3/13 at 7:23pm
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None of the discrete codes I'm aware of list one for the vertical stretch.  It takes a minimum of 5 or more button presses to get to it and a macro will not work since the cursor position changes based on the previous use.

Oh man. eek.gif I really wish I could buy this AVR and remove the DVDO Edge from the signal chain. That would have been sweet. Perhaps we can hope for the additional codes to be included in a future firmware release.biggrin.gif

Thanks for the confirmation.

T.Wells
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post #1991 of 4880
1/4/13 at 2:30am
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Yup, just got my tracking number smile.gif
I hope I get my tracking number today.
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post #1992 of 4880
1/4/13 at 4:32am
My card was charged as well, but no tracking number yet. So excited!
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post #1993 of 4880
1/4/13 at 5:07am
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My card was charged as well, but no tracking number yet. So excited!

Its good to know I'm not alone.
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post #1994 of 4880
1/4/13 at 6:07am
The recent talk about headphones/jack/amp made me start thinking about it at my way home from work.. (Yay, friday! biggrin.gif)

I hardly use my headphone amp (connected to my computer in the work room, Denon AH-D7000 phones). Perhaps by having it connected to the 4520 in the living room, I would use it more often - especially at night for tv series and what not when I can't (or shouldn't!) disturb my girlfriend.

The questions is; what is the best way to connect my (NuForce Icon HDP) headphone amp to the 4520? confused.gif
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post #1995 of 4880
1/4/13 at 6:26am
^I can't answer the HP amp connection part, but in case you've not tried these features, I'll take the opportunity to draw your attention to the Dynamic Volume which acts to keep the volume from getting too loud or soft. On midnight (strongest setting) it keeps even soft dialog audible but prevents explosions from getting loud. There is also the new Audyssey LFC (low frequency containment) that I've no experience with but is supposed to contain the bass in the room.
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post #1996 of 4880
1/4/13 at 7:34am
Hi,

Yesterday after some room modifications, I made a new Audyssey Pro calibration of my 4520.

So willing to write down the individual distance and trims as I have 2 subs, immediately after finishing, I took the values directly from the 4520 onscreen (projected) Menu.

But then today - not having the initial paper on hand - I wanted to file the values on my computer, I though opened the Network Menu interface of the 4520 and that's where weird things start...

Actually on this interface the distance for SW(1) is totally different and incoherent with what I found directly (and which is still present, I checked) in the 4520's Menu...

As in the internal Menu I have SW1 = 2.28m. and SW2 = 3.60m, when in the Network Menu SW = 0.22m. eek.gif and SW2 = 3.60m. Knowing that when I try to modify this SW = 0.22m. value, it's not possible to modify it, when all others are modifiable... rolleyes.gif

So is this an Audyssey Pro bug or is this a 4520 (2 subs handling) bug?

Could somebody have a check? Many thks for your returns.

And best wishes for this rising New Year 2013.

Hugo
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post #1997 of 4880
1/4/13 at 7:46am
Hi again,

In addition to my previous post, when I just changed (in the 4520 Menu) the SW1 value to 3.00m. the Network Menu now indicates SW = 0.30... pffff...

Now I hope that the internal calibration values are adequate, as this seems to be a "calculation" bug... rolleyes.gif

Hugo
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post #1998 of 4880
1/4/13 at 7:53am
SoundofMind
Thanks, we use Dyn volume(heavy) and LFC during late nights and it seems to work pretty well -- when we both are up late. smile.gif


The obvious answer to the reason for my question above is to connect my phones directly to the 4520. It feels like a waste not using the headphone amp though smile.gif
Unfortunately, I have no experience with the zone features in the Denon amp but perhaps analogue line level out "ZoneX" from the 4520 (perhaps stereo down mix is included? smile.gif) to the headphone amp would be best? (to be able to disable main zone(speakers), enable ZoneX to use only the phones and headphone amp, still controlling volume with 4520?confused.gif)

I better pour me a bit of rum and think on it some more smile.gif


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Hugo S, I'm getting the same error displayed in the web page. My SW and SW2 distances in the Denon "Web Controller" ( /SETUP/SPEAKERS/f_speakersetup.asp) are
0.46m and 4.62m.
In the TV menu, "check results\distance" they are
4.26m and 4.62m.

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(edit again: SoundofMind, I don't have the pro calibration on my unit so I guess the bug isn't limited to Pro but only an issue if you run Pro calibration?)
Edited by trallala - 1/4/13 at 8:37am
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post #1999 of 4880
1/4/13 at 8:06am
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Originally Posted by Hugo S View Post

...So is this an Audyssey Pro bug or is this a 4520 (2 subs handling) bug?
Could somebody have a check? Many thks for your returns.
And best wishes for this rising New Year 2013.
Hugo
Hi Hugo. You should join us on the Audyssey Pro Kit thread where an extensive discussion has taken place on that sub distance "bug" issue with Pro (most recently revisited starting here). That issue is also found in other models such as the 4311. There aresimple workarounds. I run a 1 position non-Pro cal to get the sub distances and levels and after running a Pro cal, I enter those values manually into the AVR.
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post #2000 of 4880
1/4/13 at 8:56am
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Originally Posted by SoundofMind View Post

Hi Hugo. You should join us on the Audyssey Pro Kit thread where an extensive discussion has taken place on that sub distance "bug" issue with Pro (most recently revisited starting here). That issue is also found in other models such as the 4311. There aresimple workarounds. I run a 1 position non-Pro cal to get the sub distances and levels and after running a Pro cal, I enter those values manually into the AVR.

SoM, the issue Hugo is reporting has nothing to do with the Pro SW distance "bug".

Hugo, I am seeing exactly what you see. The web interface reports distances of 1.1ft and 2.8ft for subs 1and 2, respectively. The distances in the AVR on-board menu are 13.4ft and 3.8ft, respectively. Clearly this is a bug in the web interface. The distances in the on-board menu are correct with my system. I don't normally use the web interface for configuration, so I had not noticed this discrepancy.
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post #2001 of 4880
1/4/13 at 8:58am
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Originally Posted by trallala View Post

The recent talk about headphones/jack/amp made me start thinking about it at my way home from work.. (Yay, friday! biggrin.gif)
I hardly use my headphone amp (connected to my computer in the work room, Denon AH-D7000 phones). Perhaps by having it connected to the 4520 in the living room, I would use it more often - especially at night for tv series and what not when I can't (or shouldn't!) disturb my girlfriend.
The questions is; what is the best way to connect my (NuForce Icon HDP) headphone amp to the 4520? confused.gif

If you want to use the DAC in the Nuforce, connect with either toslink or coax. If you want to utilize the DAC in the 4520, use the analog outs.
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post #2002 of 4880
1/4/13 at 9:47am
If I can add my thoughts on the web interface bugs discussion:
The web interface is full of bugs, some values are displayed wrong (most of the time divided by 10 compared to the on screen GUI), some fields you change do not make a difference and return to the original value after the page reloads, plus the fact that you can't do a save if the network is set to always ON which is totally stupid and should be fixed. I reported all of these to Denon a while back and never got any feedback. So "technically", they are aware of them, but seems like either they do not understand what I meant because they do not speak English ( probably Japanese), or they just do not know how to fix them. I am really disappointing in these little annoyances that make the product look bad. The product is performing super well on the audio and video side, but the interface has a couple bugs. As a firmware engineer myself, these should be easy to fix so I do not know what they are waiting for to fix them.
Edited by kaphely - 1/4/13 at 12:06pm
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post #2003 of 4880
1/4/13 at 9:50am
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Originally Posted by kaphely View Post

I I can add my thoughts on the web interface bugs discussion:
The web interface is full of bugs, some values are displayed wrong (most of the time divided by 10 compared to the on screen GUI), some fields you change do not make a difference and return to the original value after the page reloads, plus the fact that you can't do a save if the network is set to always ON which is totally stupid and should be fixed. I reported all of these to Denon a while back and never got any feedback. So "technically", they are aware of them, but seems like either they do not understand what I meant because they do not speak English ( probably Japanese), or they just do not know how to fix them. I am really disappointing in these little annoyances that make the product look bad. The product is performing super well on the audio and video side, but the interface has a couple bugs. As a firmware engineer myself, these should be easy to fix so I do not know what they are waiting for to fix them.

 

Add to your list:  in the Web interface, you can access the 2CH configuration page, which is not accessibly from the on-board GUI, and which Denon has responded as "not supported" on the 4520.

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post #2004 of 4880
1/4/13 at 12:08pm
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Originally Posted by bfreedma View Post

If you want to use the DAC in the Nuforce, connect with either toslink or coax. If you want to utilize the DAC in the 4520, use the analog outs.
Yeah, that's what you would think at first and where the problems start smile.gif Thanks for your suggestion though!

There is no digital out on the 4520. What I would like is in fact a digital out as you suggest + it should be an option to have it always downmixed to stereo out + constant output level (so master volume wouldn't change the output level). That way i could simply mute or lower the master volume and use the headphone amp all night long. edit: most headphone amps (such as mine) doesn't support multi channel input - why I'd like a stereo downmix (to avoid having to select a 2 ch audio output setting such as stereo, when playing 5.1 media).

When "using analog outs" I assume you mean pre out front for L/R speakers? I don't think you can mute the speakers and get output to the headphone amp at the same time using that connection. That's why I'm thinking using another zone pre out could possibly work - as long as you can disable/mute the main zone (speakers) while having zone2/3 output active (preferably down mixed to stereo if mc content is played!). I can't say the manual is cooperating with me..This will take a lot more rum to sort out smile.gif



after a bit more rum, I realize this isn't only a "how to connect a phoneamp" question. It could also be a "I'd like to playback this dvd that only have a 5.1 track on it in zone2, where i have a power amp and stereo speakers. I'd also like to do it while the main zone is off or muted"-question. smile.gif
Edited by trallala - 1/4/13 at 12:22pm
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post #2005 of 4880
1/4/13 at 2:50pm
Hi guys. Denon 4311 owner here and trying to figure out if a problem that exists with Denon's older receivers (including the 4311) has being address with the new 4520. I did search but couldn't find anything.

I know using Cable boxes, Tivos and Direct TV receivers through a AVR can be a challenge, and certainly when I'm using a Tivo, where you are sending the native resolution for a channel (720p or 1080i), to the 4311 from the Tivo causes all sorts of fun and games.

If you attempt to upscale to 1080p, when you change from a 1080i to 720p channel, the scaler gets kicked off, and even if you don't have upscaling turned on, you will still loose the on-screen menu overlay (like volume control), when a channel changes that has a different resolution. If you watching a 1080p/24 amazon vod movie, and then go back to a 1080i tv channel, again the 4311 has a meltdown.

You can overcome many of these issues by fixing the output on the Tivo, but that's not ideal, as the scaling inside a Tivo isn't very good. (720p channels looks soft when they are changed to 1080i, or 1080i channels don't look as good when they are changed to 720p)

Can anyone comment on if you have a Tivo/DirectTV or cable box sending native resolution for a channel out, and you upscale to 1080p on the 4520 , it behaves as you expect.

Thanks.
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post #2006 of 4880
1/4/13 at 2:53pm
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

Mark,

The network save functionality on Denon receivers has always been somewhat quirky.  There have been a number of postings regarding which network setting results in a successful save, whether the resulting save is a valid file or nothing but zeros, and whether the save actually completes or not.  Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be a "right" answer.  The recommendation is to experiment until you find a repeatable process for a successful save, and then make sure you actually do periodic saves, especially if you have made significant changes to the AVR, such as running a fresh calibration, adding a new device, etc.

In my case, the "Off in Standby" produces consistent results.  But, as I reported in my previous post, and which I confirmed in subsequent testing, one must remember that the "Off in Standby" mode shuts off network connectivity to any other devices that are connected to the 4-port network hub.

Thanks for your response; I was away for a few days, so this comes a little late. It is strange that it is so difficult for Denon to implement a working regular network interface. It seemed somewhat logical, the behavior in my setup, but it isn't apparently. I did check for all zero's, but that is okay luckily.
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post #2007 of 4880
1/4/13 at 2:56pm
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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post

Hi guys. Denon 4311 owner here and trying to figure out if a problem that exists with Denon's older receivers (including the 4311) has being address with the new 4520. I did search but couldn't find anything.

I know using Cable boxes, Tivos and Direct TV receivers through a AVR can be a challenge, and certainly when I'm using a Tivo, where you are sending the native resolution for a channel (720p or 1080i), to the 4311 from the Tivo causes all sorts of fun and games.

If you attempt to upscale to 1080p, when you change from a 1080i to 720p channel, the scaler gets kicked off, and even if you don't have upscaling turned on, you will still loose the on-screen menu overlay (like volume control), when a channel changes that has a different resolution. If you watching a 1080p/24 amazon vod movie, and then go back to a 1080i tv channel, again the 4311 has a meltdown.

You can overcome many of these issues by fixing the output on the Tivo, but that's not ideal, as the scaling inside a Tivo isn't very good. (720p channels looks soft when they are changed to 1080i, or 1080i channels don't look as good when they are changed to 720p)

Can anyone comment on if you have a Tivo/DirectTV or cable box sending native resolution for a channel out, and you upscale to 1080p on the 4520 , it behaves as you expect.

Thanks.

AFAIK this issue only affected the models with ABT video processor (xx10 and xx11). I have never heard this reported on an xx12 or newer model (which now use Analog Devices video chips) so I think it's not an issue anymore.
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post #2008 of 4880
1/4/13 at 3:09pm
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Originally Posted by petetherock View Post

Something odd happened recently..
My 4520 couldn't start up, and I had to turn it off at the power socket switch, then it works well.
Had to do this thrice over the past couple of weeks.
I haven't changed anything, apart from adjusting the location of my Juice Bar which has the power cables from the Denon, the TV and my MF A5.5 (powering the front two channels).
Any ideas?
Thanks

I had some irregular freezes too. At first I linked it to the last firmware upgrade. No response at all, not with the remote, not with the power button on the device itself. Only removing the power cable worked. I tried different things (and made some other adjustment too, so I am not completely sure it is only this), but since I turned off Network Always On, it never happened again. Maybe give it a try?
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post #2009 of 4880
1/4/13 at 3:20pm
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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post

Hi guys. Denon 4311 owner here and trying to figure out if a problem that exists with Denon's older receivers (including the 4311) has being address with the new 4520. I did search but couldn't find anything.
I know using Cable boxes, Tivos and Direct TV receivers through a AVR can be a challenge, and certainly when I'm using a Tivo, where you are sending the native resolution for a channel (720p or 1080i), to the 4311 from the Tivo causes all sorts of fun and games.
If you attempt to upscale to 1080p, when you change from a 1080i to 720p channel, the scaler gets kicked off, and even if you don't have upscaling turned on, you will still loose the on-screen menu overlay (like volume control), when a channel changes that has a different resolution. If you watching a 1080p/24 amazon vod movie, and then go back to a 1080i tv channel, again the 4311 has a meltdown.
You can overcome many of these issues by fixing the output on the Tivo, but that's not ideal, as the scaling inside a Tivo isn't very good. (720p channels looks soft when they are changed to 1080i, or 1080i channels don't look as good when they are changed to 720p)
Can anyone comment on if you have a Tivo/DirectTV or cable box sending native resolution for a channel out, and you upscale to 1080p on the 4520 , it behaves as you expect.
Thanks.

I have both the 4311 and the 4520. Both have connected DirecTV DVR's, which are set to output in native mode. Both AVR's are set to up convert to 1080P, with video convert set to On.

I can't provide any insight regarding the issue you are having because I have never experienced it with either AVR.
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post #2010 of 4880
1/4/13 at 3:46pm
Ok folks, ordered the Denon 4520 and moving up (over or down?) from the 5800. Very appreciative of everyones advice and information about this unit. Please stand ready to assist with my questions during initial setup, because I am sure I will have some. Happy New Year to all.
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