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post #2281 of 7677
Had 4311 and just upgraded to 4520. I thought that my 4311 had independent source adjustments for speaker level. For instance I turned up the sub level for the network audio and left the rest With the mic'ed settings. I don't see this ability with the 4520. Can any one confirm this with the 4311 as mine is gone now?
post #2282 of 7677
Sub and center channel volume adjustments still exist on the 4520CI.
post #2283 of 7677
In the web interface select AUDIO. There is a sub level adjustment there. The 4311 had a speaker level button on the remote that allowed adjustment of speaker levels. Perhaps its still there but no button for it.
post #2284 of 7677
This has come up before on this thread, search "CH Level" and you'll find posts where this has been discussed and some workarounds suggested.
post #2285 of 7677
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

For some reason it's hidden under the Internet Radio settings (p. 80). confused.gif



Thanks . I'll go try it. I would never found that back in there...So every time I fire up the second zone I have to put this on. Will it make the zone in the main stereo too. ? I will be using it for music anyway and the main zone is always playing as I walk from garage through the house so its not a problem, but are you locked into that mode only? ie no switching between dolby this and that, in the main and zone's?
post #2286 of 7677
Correct. the main zone reverts to Multi CH Stereo with stereo in the zones 2/3.
Edited by jdsmoothie - 1/20/13 at 5:55pm
post #2287 of 7677
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Originally Posted by Eric Porter View Post

I stopped by one of the local Best Buys (Downers Grove IL South) the other night to see if they had the 4520 and they told me the same thing about it being deleted from their system. The guy I talked to said it may be because it is higher end than what they usually carry at that store and they are shifting all of the more expensive units to their design centers. Chicago was the closest store that had one but I may take a ride down one day next week to check out the design center, he said it was pretty nice.

Your Right not all Best Buy Magnolia will carry the 4520, they stop at the 3313
Im in the 4520 and had to Purchase it from Santana Row Magnolia Witch is a Designer Hi End Store of the 3 located in San Jose, However they should be able to Order it for you!
post #2288 of 7677
I am not usually an expensive remote guy, generally prefer to put everything moneywise into high quality cables etc. rather than fancy remote controls....but with all of this stuff that the 4520 can do that is not on the remote; I feel like I need one of these Harmony things now. It seems like less of a toy and more of a necessity to me all of a sudden.
post #2289 of 7677
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Originally Posted by avatar9 View Post

I am not usually an expensive remote guy, generally prefer to put everything moneywise into high quality cables etc. rather than fancy remote controls....but with all of this stuff that the 4520 can do that is not on the remote; I feel like I need one of these Harmony things now. It seems like less of a toy and more of a necessity to me all of a sudden.

Money is better spent on a remote than on cables.
post #2290 of 7677
Up until now I could do everything on my 3808 with my Denon remote. When the4520 gets here that's a different story. IMO high quality speaker cable is pretty up there as far as extras go you can fork over some significant cash on good speaker cable. I have a sony remote that was under $30 and up until now was perfect it has 4 macro buttons and you could very easily do what you wanted. Now there are things I am going to want to toggle on and off as well as the stuff that cannot be accessed with the Sony. Even some features are not accessible, from what I understand you need the 4311 remote to get access to features that are not in the 4520 remote plus you can program some other functions. Now which remote to get, got any suggestions?
post #2291 of 7677
Harmony is a good option. Batpig has some information on Denon remote codes for the Denon.
post #2292 of 7677
I’m debating switching from my 4311 to the 4520. I know it’s been beat to death in this thread…I’ve looked at every post with ‘4311’ in it. rolleyes.gif

It looks as though it will cost me roughly ~$600 to get into the 4520.

I currently have a 11.2 setup using a 3310 to power the additional 2 channels.

The reasons I have to get a 4520 is NEO:X, the slight power bump and 4k, also the thought of getting about what I paid back from my 4311 is nice too.

I’m nervous that if I hang onto my 4311 the value will be way less soon and it will cost significantly more to upgrade later.

I’ve also thought that getting a 4K receiver will have me ready for when I upgrade my projector when 4k sources and content become mainstream. When will that happen? 2 years, 3? 4? …will I want a new receiver regardless?

I never cared about the display information as my receiver is in another room. Until recently when I upgraded to 11.2, now I look at the input/output speaker layout all the time, to make sure all the speakers are outputting signal, etc. I also use the CH LEVEL occasionally to adjust the subwoofer levels. I also do not have this connected to any other zones…

When I really knock it down, my main reasons for upgrading are NEO:X and resale value of my current 4311.

I'll never use multi-zones or Internet radio, I don't have many movies that support NEO:X and by the time 4K projectors & sources/source material becomes readily available, I will probably need a newer version of 4K to use it anyhow.

I think I just talked myself out of the 4520. frown.gif

Arg.
post #2293 of 7677
I really don't think 4k will happen that soon, with much content anyway. I think NEO:X will up-code 7.1 or 5.1 into an 11.2 channel sound field, it doesn't have to be coded for neo X but can be is my understanding of that technology.
post #2294 of 7677
Does anyone know which Harmony is best for the 4520. Which remotes can you add commands to via hex key???
post #2295 of 7677
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by avatar9 View Post

Does anyone know which Harmony is best for the 4520. Which remotes can you add commands to via hex key???

It's really a meaningless question, no individual model will be "best" for a given receiver, as they all have the same functionality. The only difference between Harmony remotes are ancillary features like touchscreen vs normal buttons, how many total devices can be controlled, ergonomics, charging cradle vs normal batteries, etc. For example if you prefer a "tablet" style remote vs the standard "wand" style you want the 1100.

The only real potential functional difference is whether you need RF support for gear that is hidden and not in line of sight. If you require this then the 900 and 1100 are the only ones afaik that support it.

None of the Harmony remotes officially support the raw hex code, it's done either by emailing tech support and having them do it for you or using the 3rd party software to "hack" it into your account (which works with any model).
post #2296 of 7677
so if I don't need rf support I could use the harmony 650 and do everything i need if i only have 5 devices to control? Awesome, that really helps I can get one real quick from the Radio Shack.
post #2297 of 7677
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Originally Posted by avatar9 View Post

I really don't think 4k will happen that soon, with much content anyway. I think NEO:X will up-code 7.1 or 5.1 into an 11.2 channel sound field, it doesn't have to be coded for neo X but can be is my understanding of that technology.

Oh trust me, the displays WILL come.
The OEMs need the new tech to continue their profit margins.

So you just may need a way to upconvert blurays to 4K.
post #2298 of 7677
Oh yeah I forgot about scaling to 4k I was thinking of actual 4k content with HD cameras and new production of movies and tv which surely will take quite a bit of time.
post #2299 of 7677
Thread Starter 
Well if the display comes then it will have its own scaling built in. So you still don't "need" it in the receiver.
post #2300 of 7677
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by avatar9 View Post

so if I don't need rf support I could use the harmony 650 and do everything i need if i only have 5 devices to control? Awesome, that really helps I can get one real quick from the Radio Shack.

Correct, the only difference between a basic 650 and a fancy One is extra stuff like the changing cradle, touchscreen LCD, support for more devices, etc. The core functionality and setup / use is identical.
post #2301 of 7677
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Originally Posted by avatar9 View Post

Oh yeah I forgot about scaling to 4k I was thinking of actual 4k content with HD cameras and new production of movies and tv which surely will take quite a bit of time.
Some older movies were restored in 4K (Taxi, for example), I'm sure new movies are just 'a click away' from a 4K disc. I'm sure they are just waiting for 4K media/players/display to be widely available.

I wouldn't be surprised if all new titles have a 4K master along with the 1080 version just waiting for mass duplication.
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Well if the display comes then it will have its own scaling built in. So you still don't "need" it in the receiver.
I've never been a fan of 'scaling,' well, I wouldn't pay extra for it. If the source is 1080, I can't imagine it looking significantly better 'scaled' to 4K. It's also significantly more convenient to connect everything to your AVR with a single cable going to your display.



I was considering upgrading to 4K simply for future-proofing. I have a feeling though, by the time a 4K projector, player and media become available in my price range, the receiver will have outdated 4K technology anyhow. rolleyes.gif

I think I'll stick with my 4311 for awhile. frown.gif
post #2302 of 7677
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Well if the display comes then it will have its own scaling built in. So you still don't "need" it in the receiver.

True, but you still need 4k pass thru if you get a 4k source.
(most likely pc based at first)
post #2303 of 7677
Thread Starter 
Well a 4k source is a different matter. The comment I was responding to was you specifically saying that one would "need a way to upconvert blurays to 4K".

If you only have up to 1080p / 3D sources then that's not true. Any fixed pixel display inherently requires the ability to scale inputs to the native resolution of the display.

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Originally Posted by Dreamliner 
I've never been a fan of 'scaling,' well, I wouldn't pay extra for it. If the source is 1080, I can't imagine it looking significantly better 'scaled' to 4K. It's also significantly more convenient to connect everything to your AVR with a single cable going to your display.

Again, let's keep a distinction between 4k source material and 4k displays.

The specific point was that sticking with your 4311ci would not prevent you in any way from upgrading to a 4k display.
post #2304 of 7677
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

The specific point was that sticking with your 4311ci would not prevent you in any way from upgrading to a 4k display.
100% correct. Though personally, it'd be unlikely for me to invest in a 4K display without a 4K source, etc...all at once I say! rolleyes.gif

I still really want the 4520, though I don't think I can convince myself its worth it. I have a hard time believing when 4K blu-rays are commonplace in say, 3-5 years, that I'd still want to be rockin' the 4520.

4520'ers, live long and prosper. tongue.gif
post #2305 of 7677
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Originally Posted by Dreamliner View Post

I’m debating switching from my 4311 to the 4520. I know it’s been beat to death in this thread…I’ve looked at every post with ‘4311’ in it. rolleyes.gif

It looks as though it will cost me roughly ~$600 to get into the 4520.

I currently have a 11.2 setup using a 3310 to power the additional 2 channels.



Arg.

I had a 4311, sold it and paid about US$ 500 more. It was a no brainer. Consider that a few steaks with a bunch of mates later, I would have spend a similar amount, the amount spent was small considering the fun I am having.
Not a lot of difference in SQ, TBH, but the HT experience is significantly better.
You can read about my review in my blog, cheers.
post #2306 of 7677
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Originally Posted by Theresa View Post

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Originally Posted by avatar9 View Post

I am not usually an expensive remote guy, generally prefer to put everything moneywise into high quality cables etc. rather than fancy remote controls....but with all of this stuff that the 4520 can do that is not on the remote; I feel like I need one of these Harmony things now. It seems like less of a toy and more of a necessity to me all of a sudden.

Money is better spent on a remote than on cables.

 

Or indeed on pretty much anything :)

post #2307 of 7677
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

Or indeed on pretty much anything smile.gif

True. What remote would you recommend? I know it's probably Harmony but what model? I used to have a Pronto but sadly that remote is no more.
post #2308 of 7677
4520 owners,

Did any of you compare to the 3313 before buying? I ask as I'm debating whether an additional $850+tax is worth it to upgrade to a 4520.

I'm currently trying out a 3313 in my HT and it's driving my 8ohm Polk RTi towers, and matching centre, surrounds, and back surrounds and the 3313 seems to play very nicely at reference level in my 2,650 cubic foot room.

Although I may consider adding a second sub to the room (if placing one at the back of the room is effective - no room in the front) I doubt I will be able to get the wife to buy into heights from an aesthetic standpoint and the room can't accommodate wides. So for me the feature upgrades are basically XT32 and possibly SubEQ HT. If any of you have tried the 4520 and 3313, is the 4520 significantly more powerful? I see that max power consumtpion is only an extra 110w (780 vs 670) is this what the difference in power boils down to or is there more to it?

If any of you 4520 owners have any insight on the performance advantage of the 4520 in a room such as mine running similar speakers it would be very helpful, as the price for the Denon 4520 is from a retailer with a very limited returns policy (no opportunity to try it out).

Thanks.
post #2309 of 7677
I posted a similar question on the Oppo page, but since I am close to pulling the trigger on the 4520 thought I should post here as well. What impressions of sound (analog/digital) performance of the 4520 versus an Oppo 105?
post #2310 of 7677
Anyone know if I can use the Media Player Record Out RCA's on the AVR-4520ci (using the zone/rec function) to output my PHONO input to an external sound card for digital conversion of LPs?

I got my new toy showing up today, Marantz TT-15S1 Reference series, woo hoo!
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