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post #241 of 4478
10/4/12 at 1:31pm
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I need to get one so I can compare it to the 5010. smile.gif

Thanks in advance Joe. I can't wait!
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post #242 of 4478
10/4/12 at 1:40pm
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Originally Posted by sonic debauchery View Post

Question to 4520 owners: the video chip set in the 4520 is an Anchor Bay set if i am not mistaken. The HQV/QDEO in the Onkyos is said to be superior? Is this what you are seeing. I know one member had a 3009, so curious as to his opinion?

I am curious about this, too.
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post #243 of 4478
10/4/12 at 5:07pm
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Originally Posted by TazExprez View Post

I am curious about this, too.

The 4520 uses the same Analog Devices chipset as the other xx13 series receivers. The quality on my 3313 is just fine, though I'm mostly playing 1080p content anyway.
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post #244 of 4478
10/5/12 at 1:23am
U.S. version of the owner's manual is now available on the Denon product page.
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post #245 of 4478
10/5/12 at 6:21am
Wow, just saw this:

For proper heat dispersal, do not install this unit in a confined space, such as a bookcase or similar enclosure.
• More than 12 in. (0.3 m) is recommended.
• Do not place any other equipment on this unit.

As a comparison, the 3010/5010 days this:

18. If you install the apparatus in a built-in installation, such as a bookcase or rack, ensure that there is adequate ventilation.
Leave 20 cm (8") of free space at the top and sides and 10 cm (4") at the rear. The rear edge of the shelf or board above the apparatus shall be set 10 cm (4") away from the rear panel or wall, creating a flue-like gap for warm air to escape.


Does the Denon run that much hotter than the Onkyo that it needs between 1.5 and 2.5 times the air gap? The Denon even has fans inside the unit to help keep it cool!
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post #246 of 4478
10/5/12 at 6:43am
^^
Denon has been including that warning in all model AVR owner manuals going back at least 5 years. As is the case with most AVR brands, providing at least 3-4" clearance is generally sufficient and if the unit is located in an enclosed space, using a small PC fan (or two) to exhaust any warm air will suffice.
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post #247 of 4478
10/5/12 at 7:34am
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Originally Posted by mastermaybe View Post

The hyperbole needle in this forum has to be redlining every second of everyday.
Yeah how many degrees do you think ANY avr will raise your living room temperature?
Unreal.
James

You've obviously never used a Denon 5805 in an enclosed home theater room in South Texas. During August. To answer your specific question, three degrees.
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post #248 of 4478
10/5/12 at 10:05am
Sweet.... Just got an order update email from Amazon...hopefully should see it by next week! Can't wait...
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post #249 of 4478
10/5/12 at 12:25pm
I've been looking over the 4520 and it looks good, @ 2500 it should be very resonable with discounts in a year, maybe just 200 or 300 more than the best pricing for the 4311. I see it weighs in at 36 pounds is that a misprint ? It should be in retailer show rooms very soon for a demo. I just downloaded the manual from denon usa. Can the amps be configured anyway I wish, by that I mean can I turn off the mains and center ampsand just use the balance of the amps for surround?
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post #250 of 4478
10/5/12 at 12:31pm
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Originally Posted by joehonest View Post

I've been looking over the 4520 and it looks good, @ 2500 it should be very resonable with discounts in a year, maybe just 200 or 300 more than the best pricing for the 4311. I see it weighs in at 36 pounds is that a misprint ? It should be in retailer show rooms very soon for a demo. I just downloaded the manual from denon usa. Can the the amps be configured anyway I wish, by that I mean can I turn off the mains and center ampsand just use the balance of the amps for surround?

 

Yes, you can configure the amps as you describe.  The amp assign capabilities of the 4520 are quite flexible.

 

As for the weight of the 4520, this has no relevance to performance or sound quality.  It falls into the same category as a plastic face plate--WGAF?

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post #251 of 4478
10/5/12 at 12:35pm
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

Yes, you can configure the amps as you describe.  The amp assign capabilities of the 4520 are quite flexible.

As for the weight of the 4520, this has no relevance to performance or sound quality.  It falls into the same category as a plastic face plate--WGAF?

What about the power transformer, is this amp a digital type ? Anyway I'm happy they can pack powerful amps into a lightweight package. I'm getting to old to deal with onkyos at this point in my life, as these are a backbreaker to move around.. Like you said "weight no relevance to performance or sound quality' time to think with a open mind,,, and a good demo
Edited by joehonest - 10/5/12 at 1:00pm
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post #252 of 4478
10/5/12 at 12:58pm
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no, Denon doesn't use class D amps.

just to be clear, you can't "turn off" unused amps selectively. You can leave them unused, but they will still be "on" and idling.
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post #253 of 4478
10/5/12 at 1:25pm
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

no, Denon doesn't use class D amps.
just to be clear, you can't "turn off" unused amps selectively. You can leave them unused, but they will still be "on" and idling.

So then I could use the denons 9 amps for surround and use a crown poweramp for the mains FL / FR ?
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post #254 of 4478
10/5/12 at 1:31pm
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yes, that's not even one of the "fancy" configurations, the 4311 can do that too. The base selection for 11ch mode is to have a 2ch amp powering either the front mains or front heights, with the other 9 channels powered internally.
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post #255 of 4478
10/5/12 at 1:37pm
If no speaker is used in a sound mode is that amp off or idling ?
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post #256 of 4478
10/5/12 at 1:44pm
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they never turn off (i.e. power disconnected), it just will receive no signal and thus be idling.
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post #257 of 4478
10/5/12 at 2:03pm
Dam I missed seeing that years ago in the 4311 manaul " 9.2 + fronts pre out ' It might of been a game changer... Now that onkyo removed BTL capability form there flagships, denon is looking real good.
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post #258 of 4478
10/5/12 at 2:12pm
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well, they only have 9 amps built in so when you run 11 channels two of them have to use an external amp right?

BTW here is the snip from pg 95 of the 4311ci manual smile.gif

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post #259 of 4478
10/5/12 at 2:20pm
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Originally Posted by sonic debauchery View Post

Question to 4520 owners: the video chip set in the 4520 is an Anchor Bay set if i am not mistaken. The HQV/QDEO in the Onkyos is said to be superior? Is this what you are seeing. I know one member had a 3009, so curious as to his opinion?
 
Originally Posted by TazExprez View Post


I am curious about this, too.

I don't do very much scaling with my 4520 but the little I have done appears to be no better/worse than my Onkyo 3009.  The Denon no longer uses Anchor Bay chipsets.

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post #260 of 4478
10/5/12 at 2:23pm
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Originally Posted by cybrsage View Post

Wow, just saw this:
For proper heat dispersal, do not install this unit in a confined space, such as a bookcase or similar enclosure.
• More than 12 in. (0.3 m) is recommended.
• Do not place any other equipment on this unit.
As a comparison, the 3010/5010 days this:
18. If you install the apparatus in a built-in installation, such as a bookcase or rack, ensure that there is adequate ventilation.
Leave 20 cm (8") of free space at the top and sides and 10 cm (4") at the rear. The rear edge of the shelf or board above the apparatus shall be set 10 cm (4") away from the rear panel or wall, creating a flue-like gap for warm air to escape.
Does the Denon run that much hotter than the Onkyo that it needs between 1.5 and 2.5 times the air gap? The Denon even has fans inside the unit to help keep it cool!


Not in my experience. In fact, the opposite is true.  I found the Onkyo 3009 to run a bit hotter than the Denon 4520.  Now this isn't a scientific measurement of the temp, just my feeling of the exhaust air from the fans on top of the 2 receivers.  The Onkyo seemed to me to be warmer than the Denon, but not significantly so.  They were both mounted in the open on an equipment rack in a dedicated room and not tightly enclosed.  YMMV.

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post #261 of 4478
10/5/12 at 2:24pm
The flow chart on pg 94 just made it clear to me.. I need 250+ per channel in stereo for music to be happy..
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post #262 of 4478
10/5/12 at 2:30pm
flint350 since you have both 4520 amd a 3009 whats the sound like, first impressions and all, if you'd be so kind. What about the new Audyssey Low Frequency Containtment (LFC) and the Dialogue Enhancer are they useful ?
Edited by joehonest - 10/5/12 at 2:38pm
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post #263 of 4478
10/5/12 at 2:45pm
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

Now I have to decide--do I get a refund and just keep my 4311, or do I get a replacement 4520?  I am 50/50 right now.

Jerry,

Sorry to hear that the 4520 is defective frown.gif. It is frustrating especially since you when through all the work of moving the 4311 to another room. Then to take the time to set both units up only to find the 4520 is defective. Well the good thing is you have the 4311 to fall back on which is nice to have. I'll be interested to see if you get another 4520 or not.

Bill
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post #264 of 4478
10/5/12 at 2:49pm
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

3. The 4520 and XX13 models lost a number of icons formerly displayed at the top of the front panel display which makes room for a larger font size for the text.

I can see why Denon dropped many of the icons as some of them were a bit redundant. Probably no need to have a decoder symbol when you have it in text on the information display as well. However, I do find it a bit odd to combine the input and output channel indicators into one as I personally find it useful to be able to see both at the same time.

From what I can tell, there is no quick way to make the switch other than drilling down into the menu. I wonder if you could program one of the macro buttons to do it.

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post #265 of 4478
10/5/12 at 2:49pm
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Originally Posted by joehonest View Post

flint350 since you have both 4520 amd a 3009 whats the sound like, first impressions and all, if you'd be so kind. What about the new Audyssey Low Frequency Containtment (LFC) and the Dialogue Enhancer are they useful ?
He's already done that here and here
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post #266 of 4478
10/5/12 at 2:53pm
Is it possible to run 9.2 and bi-amp the front L/R if you have an external 2 ch amp?
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post #267 of 4478
10/5/12 at 3:08pm
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Originally Posted by DANNER View Post

He's already done that here and here
Thanks
I wonder if the Audyssey Low Frequency Containtment (LFC) is anything like the THX "BGC" settings ?
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post #268 of 4478
10/5/12 at 3:41pm
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Originally Posted by DANNER View Post

Is it possible to run 9.2 and bi-amp the front L/R if you have an external 2 ch amp?

well what are you using the external amp for? If you are using it for the front L/R why would you want to bi-amp also? If you are going to use an ballsy external amp just use that for L/R mains and forget about bi-amping.
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post #269 of 4478
10/5/12 at 3:44pm
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Originally Posted by DANNER View Post

He's already done that here and here
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I wonder if the Audyssey Low Frequency Containtment (LFC) is anything like the THX "BGC" settings ?

it's really not the same thing at all. BGC (boundary gain compensation) applies a specific correction to deal with the extra room gain that you get when placing a subwoofer close to a wall/corner. AFAIK it is just tapering off the lowest freq's to maintain flat response. It doesn't claim to reduce transmission of bass to adjacent rooms at all.

LFC is a totally different beast -- it (according to the product literature) selectively filters out specific frequencies that are prone to travel through walls, then uses psychoacoustic processing to "fill in" the missing bass perceptually.

they are different techs which attack different problems. One way to think of it is that BGC helps correct for boominess in the room, whereas LFC corrects for boominess in OTHER rooms.
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post #270 of 4478
10/5/12 at 3:56pm
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

well what are you using the external amp for? If you are using it for the front L/R why would you want to bi-amp also? If you are going to use an ballsy external amp just use that for L/R mains and forget about bi-amping.
I'm thinking of using the denon for both Front L/R and a low-power external amp (an emotive mini-X a-100) to fill out the surrounds. I'd like to see if using the denon as the "crossover" makes any difference.
Edited by DANNER - 10/5/12 at 4:45pm
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