The **OFFICIAL** DENON AVR-4520CI thread - Page 81

So you are basing your conclusion on the setting on the master volume? How do you know that the master volumes are calibrated the same across two AVR's from different vendors? Have you done any objective measurements?

Oh yeagh I ran Audyssey first thing I did.. Like I said earlier I Blast/play Loud!! and MY old Set up with Amps was Loud!! 200 watts a channel and it was overkill , I then downsized to the 7100 and that was plenty.. Ill report back in a couple days..& btw I sold that set up and went to this cause I wanted to Simplify my set up goin back to a powered Recv with 150 x 9 xt32 etc, I guess I got spoiled w/ Sep Amps!!

Well kinda & its probably silly too.. but the only way I could do that if I still had the AV7005 and did a side by side..Im just basing on prev experience with my personal Vol Levals .. It seems turning this 4520 up to 80+ seems a lot, I thought I would get that db at 50 with this!! I only had this 2 weeks too..Honestly I wanted to get away from Amps, they take up a lot of Juice and My rack is nice and Clean and tidy with Amps out!

^ you will find that most owners set the master volume to read as an offset from zero, which is "reference". So, for example, I listen to most of my content at between -20 and -10. Anything louder than -10 is really loud on my system.

By using this MV setting, you can compare MV values across receivers, because Audyssey calibrates a system to have a specific volume at "reference". You might want to try it.

Anyone out there have a harmony remote with this 4520. I find the harmony 650 (just got it Sunday) to be a bad joke personally, so far my up/down arrows or enter button haven't been programmed right from the software(tried 4520 and 4311 settings). The thing is my old Sony vmxxx remote set up for the 3808 can do the whole setup with just a 4 digit code. Also what is the deal with no activity for blue ray or digital media player etc.? I see they vcr dvd laserdisc media pc etc, this thing is old school does it have a clicker that can control a1960's remote set too.

Anything louder than -20 and my wife starts yelling.

Seriously though does anyone else have a @^#@^#!! harmony remote and find the arrow keys are only working left to right not up and down and no enter???? Really disappointed with this remote.

It is possible that the up/down and enter buttons are assigned to something else in the Logitech profile. Try teaching those three codes using the original Denon remote. I have a Harmony 1100 and the PC software is kind-of glitchy. After I use the software to reprogram the remote, I will have problems with other functions/buttons that will stop working. Logitech makes decent remotes but their software sucks. I have better luck just using the original remote to learn new/additional keys I might need later on.

Two models that have both run Audyssey and set the "reference level" to 0db/80 would each have the same master volume settings regardless of their power rating.

You can customize any button to do anything.
I would suggest visiting the harmony threads for additional details.

if the previous receiver wasn't calibrated so that zero equals reference, comparing volume control levels is entirely meaningless. the difference between 80 and 90. on your current receiver, is ten times the power. FWIW, output power doesn't tell you how much input you need to achieve that power, and there's no industry standard so it can vary. DOesn't matter with a receiver because the input to the power stage is in the same box anyway.

In the end, it's just a difference in the way the two receivers were calibrated, and you probably should just get used to it because it means absolutely nothing in terms of which amp was putting out more power or had more headroom etc.

This is really strange. I use the Harmony One, and the standard database commands result in fully-functioning up and down arrow keys. I have my remote set up for a number of activities, such as DirecTV, Oppo Blu-ray, Sonos, Apple TV. It works flawlessly, but takes a bit of customization to arrive at a happy place.

When I get a 4520 eventually, I already plan to set it to preamp mode only as I have no intention of using any AVR to run my speakers. With that said, I would be curious to see your observations of your Outlaw vs the 4520.

Even Logitech support couldn't make this remote usable with my 4520 it turns on all zones every time I turn on my receiver and most buttons do not work. I guess it goes back to the store.

The harmony software seems outdated to me no BD button (makes you pick watch DVD), has vcr and laser disc icons but no apple tv or other player of this type. I realize they need legacy support still, but could they be much more up to date on devices people actually use now also.

Been trying all day with this thing, thanks for the power tip that solves one of my problems... the other big one that I can't get past though is that it turns on my Sharp projector and selects an input rather than just leaving the input selection alone, because input never ever changes, and it has no option to stop it from doing this and because of it has to re-handshake every time and it is slow to do this. If I could fix that I would be pretty happy I guess. At least I won't have to hassle with returning it.

I'll give it a try, Thanks. Do you happen to know if I could just set all of the input buttons on the device to blank, or would I actually want to teach a new command that does nothing instead?

FWIW Logitech has announced they will be selling off their Harmony line due their overall poor numbers over the last year: LINK

Hey, let me know if that works. I just picked up my 4520 on the way home tonight and will be setting it up. All my components are connected to the AVR and I don't need it to select an input as the same input will be used each time so this would be a bit plus for me too.

Yes you cannot leave a command blank (from experience) I just went in to the setting that it keeps selecting and changed the ir signal to the disc button of my old Technics 5 disc changer(yes the one that opens like a turntable lid) since it is long retired from my setup.

Oh and thanks again Batpig! As always you have been a great help.

So thanks to your helpful Harmony page I just added all of those nice hex codes I wanted. Also Harmony should be paying you for doing their support better than they do it.

Well I got the Outlaw 7100 hooked up and turned the 4520 into a prepro, I must say the Power Amp is noticeably different, It is more Punchier , Cleaner and crisp! as far as power I would say this 100x7 is giving the internal amps 150 x9 a run for the Money! Im gonna leave it as a pre pro set up for now to get my ears used to it . I may look for a better 5 channel at least 125-150 Watts and drive my main 5 and use the Internals for the S Backs and Heights! Either way this 4520 Smokes my AV7005!
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Its because the Outlaw is rated for all speakers driven at once. If I didn't have Emotiva amps I'd get myself an Outlaw.