The **OFFICIAL** DENON AVR-4520CI thread - Page 93

Originally Posted by Nameless_87 

I tried another HDMI cable as I had a spare one (high speed) and same problem

Then I tried the Reset PS3 method...

I noticed some things... The screen appears in 576p saying that it found an HDMI... when I press yes, nothing... black screen again.

I tried it a second time and same thing happens, then I tried switching input and back to GAME input and it appeared with the message 1080p, do you want to keep... I say yes and everything seems fine.

I turned everything off then and started normal power up... TV, AVR on correct input and then PS3 and nothing is visible, just blank screen with STEREO audio... I change to another input and back to GAME and screen comes on for 1 second and then turns black again...

I tried to connect the HTPC(1080p) and Dreambox (1080i) to GAME input to see if the problem is with the AVR and both worked good... I played Avatar on HTPC and played flawlessly as well!

At this point I have no idea what to do and I don't know what the problem is!

Any help

Originally Posted by ss9001 

... I don't know if Denon owners tend to feel the same or just shrug it off. but it really put me off when I was considering going to Denon last year...

Originally Posted by EVT 

...I recall an occasion where a salesman at a high-end A/V store demoed the previous version of Denon Link for me and I just wasn't hearing the difference that he so eloquently described...
My somewhat cynical opinion on the matter is that Denon Link is a marketing gimmick to sell a player that offers less for more, at least when compared to the performance/value proposition offered by Oppo.

Originally Posted by batpig 

Yes, the receiver supports a total of FOUR zones. There is the main zone, then Zones 2 and 3 support basic stereo audio output (although you can also send HD video via component if desired), and then Zone 4 is exclusively the HDMI matrix output (#3 out).
The key thing to understand is that the receiver only has NINE amps. Although there are eleven speaker posts, once you are using the "core" 5 channels in the main zone, you only have four amps left for other zones. So your plan wouldn't work as stated because those three pairs of speaker posts would not all be active.

What you will do is set the amp assign to "5.1ch + Zone 2/3". This will leave the 5.1 active in the main zone, and reassign the other four amps, with two each to Zone 2 and Zone 3. Each of those zones can play an independent audio source.

With this setting, the Surr.Back speakers will put out the Zone 2 signal, and the Wide speakers will put out the Zone 3 signal. The Height speaker posts will be muted.

If you want to play TWO pairs of speakers off one of these zones (e.g. so the kitchen and dining room will put out the same signal) then you can use an impedance matching speaker splitter/selector to hook them all up to the two amps. In this case the bathroom would then be the independent Zone 3, and the kitchen and dining room would be conjoined as Zone 2. You could still output HDMI to the bedroom display as Zone 4 HDMI.

You might also consider adding a secondary 2ch amp to power one of the zones, which would allow you to expand to 7ch in the main zone. A separate stereo receiver with A/B speaker posts would allow you to easily power the kitchen + dining room and switch them on/off independently (although it would be the same source of course) while leaving the Denon powering the bathroom as Zone 3.

Originally Posted by flyingvfreak 

Did you check the hdmi cable from Ps3 to Recv, from Recv to Tv, Also make sure that the Recv Video up conversion is NOT! set on 4k ,if it is you will not get a Signal!!

Originally Posted by SoundofMind 

Well DenonLink hasn't really been an effective marketing gimmick, has it? Hardly anyone has heard of it and fewer still bother with it! It's true that HDMI sounds pretty darn good, as does analog from top players.

I was quite skeptical of DenonLink-after all, as someone here recently posted, if DL is that good, why wouldn't more people use it? So I started a thread "Does DenonLink really matter?". Enough posters spoke positively of it that I bought a Denon DBPA100/4010 and did fairly extensive level-matched A/B tests of DenonLink vs Oppo83SE HDMI. I posted the results in the 4010 thread. Sold the Oppo, kept the Denon. YMMV.

Originally Posted by batpig 

If you already have the amp lying around you can answer the question for yourself definitively. Anything we tell you will be speculation.

I can tell you with confidence though that its not likely to be a "great" benefit. Especially not if you are only using 5 channels.

Originally Posted by EVT 

Interesting, were the differences noticeable to you in movies as well or just music?

Originally Posted by SoundofMind 

For me, it was not noticeable in movies, just music. It need not be high rez, but well recorded. Highly compressed crappy recordings still sound crappy over DL!

See this post on RBCD and just scroll down the page for my posts on SACD and DVDA.
Interestingly, I did not hear SQ anything significant improvement from DVD and BluRay music or film or see PQ improvement. Others have reported they did. I bitstreaming everything possible. YMMV

I'd like to hear from folks who duplicate such tests as I feel they are better-controlled than many of the reports we see.

Originally Posted by kbarnes701 

Bonjour mon ami!

It's interesting that you see the 'tweakings' of the unit's frequency response as positives. I see them as huge negatives and would never, ever deliberately buy a unit that was introducing 'tone controls' in this way. What I want is total transparency to the source, nothing added and nothing taken away.

I am not suggesting you are 'wrong' - just that your aims are diametrically opposed to my own.

I do in fact own a stereo amp that adds 'emotion' and 'warmth' and so on to the input source. It sounds wonderfully seductive. But it is not accurate and these days (I have owned this amp for over 20 years) I wouldn't buy such a unit.

Amicalement... K

Originally Posted by Hugo S 

Bonjour Keith,

+ + , merci pour la leçon.

But in my case I HATE (sound) colored products. So this is a preaching for an already converted person...

Now I stand by what I said, the 8801 is superbly "natural", "credible"... and "transparent". But then "transparent" is a word that can often be associated with "clinical", which is not the 8801's case.

Does this mean that an 8801 will embellish "clinically" mixed tracks? No as in my (recent) experience, a 8801 will just precisely reproduce EVERYTHING which it is fed with, but without adding or substracting anything, though the "emotion" I felt.

A "natural credibility", which is something I personally directly associate to some specific audiophile stereo memorable listenings of my youth.

Amitiés à Toi,

Hugo

Originally Posted by Nameless_87 

i/p scaler is off so I don't think that's it.

Originally Posted by batpig 

have you tried turning off the "Deep Color" setting on the PS3? This has been reported in the past to successfully resolve video issues with the PS3 passing through Denon AVR's.

Originally Posted by GardenVariety 

Hey guys, wanted to get some thoughts on using an external amp for this receiver. I purchased the 4520 a week ago and am loving the sound so far. I am running Mythos ST's, Mythos Ten and Gem XL's in a 5.1 configu
ration. These are obviously very efficient speakers. My question is would I get a benefit in using my Outlaw 7125 that I having lying around or should I just stick with the receiver. I would rather just use the receiver alone but if I will get great benefit then I will connect the external amp. Thanks.

Originally Posted by Nameless_87 

I found the problem and I am 100% sure that the denon somehow is not recognising the ps3 signal cause it says unrecognised signal everytime.

The funny thing is that the signal input is exactly as my HTPC with the same settings which is 1080p60, RGB 4:4:4

The frustrating thing is that 1080p from PS3 directly to TV works and I just cannot understand why the signal is not unrecognised!

Any idea what to do next? Can this be solved by a firmware update or do you think there is a problem with the Denon hardware?

Originally Posted by jdsmoothie 

Confirm again that the Deep Color Output setting on the PS3 is set to OFF and then try resetting the PS3 (press/hold the power on button for longer than normal). Also try connecting to the other HDMI inputs as well as swapping the HDMI cable out with another cable.

Originally Posted by flyingvfreak 

IDK, I have no Issues with my Ps3 to my 4520 in the Game input , output to my Sony 1080P LCD, Everything works Flawlessly as it should.

Originally Posted by jdsmoothie 

Are all your cables "High speed" cables? Try using the cable currently used with the HTPC. Also try resetting the AVR (p. 201).

Originally Posted by flyingvfreak 

Hoook it up and Find out for yourself, If not you can send me the 7125 and I will tell you.. I think I can use the extra 25 watts. been looking for a 7125

Originally Posted by GardenVariety 

Hey guys, wanted to get some thoughts on using an external amp for this receiver. I purchased the 4520 a week ago and am loving the sound so far. I am running Mythos ST's, Mythos Ten and Gem XL's in a 5.1 configuration. These are obviously very efficient speakers. My question is would I get a benefit in using my Outlaw 7125 that I having lying around or should I just stick with the receiver. I would rather just use the receiver alone but if I will get great benefit then I will connect the external amp. Thanks.

Originally Posted by Joe6P 

Thanks for sharing this with me.
I think what attracts me the most to the 5010 is its multiple and separate power supply: one for audio, one for video and the toroidal transformer with two huge capacitors to drive its power amps. Its 12.4Amps AC power input vs. 6.5Amps in the 5420ci means double the power outputs not to mention Onkyo does not avoid mentioning 4ohms ratings. All reviewers admit Denon sounds better than Pioneer but Onkyo sounds better than all of them.

Originally Posted by Joe6P 

Thanks for sharing this with me.
I think what attracts me the most to the 5010 is its multiple and separate power supply: one for audio, one for video and the toroidal transformer with two huge capacitors to drive its power amps. Its 12.4Amps AC power input vs. 6.5Amps in the 5420ci means double the power outputs not to mention Onkyo does not avoid mentioning 4ohms ratings. All reviewers admit Denon sounds better than Pioneer but Onkyo sounds better than all of them.

On the other hand, I’m concerned about degrading my picture when running it from my OPPO trough Denon’s HDMI to my projector because unlike Onkyo, Denon does not incorporate the state of the art Marvell's Kyoto-G2H video processor with the latest generation Qdeo technology. Kyoto-G2H is what OPPO employs for its HDMI-1 section. HDNI-2 is a lower grade processor.

Originally Posted by Joe6P 

Thanks for sharing this with me.
I think what attracts me the most to the 5010 is its multiple and separate power supply: one for audio, one for video and the toroidal transformer with two huge capacitors to drive its power amps. Its 12.4Amps AC power input vs. 6.5Amps in the 5420ci means double the power outputs not to mention Onkyo does not avoid mentioning 4ohms ratings. All reviewers admit Denon sounds better than Pioneer but Onkyo sounds better than all of them.
The only reason I replaced my AVR-5803 with the 5420ci was to fix that 180ms lip-sync problem that plagues OPPO-103. Denon took care of the problem since it can be manually set up to 200ms or in auto mode plus up to 100ms. Onkyo can do manual adjustment up to 800ms…
I prefer the Denon remote control, the front display, the versatility in its speaker configuration AND the 7.1 analogue input for SACD players that Onkyo doesn’t have.
On the other hand, I’m concerned about degrading my picture when running it from my OPPO trough Denon’s HDMI to my projector because unlike Onkyo, Denon does not incorporate the state of the art Marvell's Kyoto-G2H video processor with the latest generation Qdeo technology. Kyoto-G2H is what OPPO employs for its HDMI-1 section. HDNI-2 is a lower grade processor.

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