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post #2821 of 4525
2/10/13 at 10:36am
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Perhaps because there are too many 3rd party choices that can do the job and have far more experience with the process. AFAIK, the only AVRs on the market today that can stream video via DLNA are the Sony flagship models.

Yes, but when you have a street price of more than 2300€ (in Italy), people might expect to be able to do that without having to buy yet another piece of HW...
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post #2822 of 4525
2/10/13 at 2:06pm
Can anyone confirm if this unit supports DSD direct in pure mode, no conversion to PCM
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post #2823 of 4525
2/10/13 at 2:15pm
^Yes it does, but then you get no Audyssey. That's usually a very poor tradeoff.

In fact, for MC SACD, we suggest you decode DSD in the player if you are not sending via DenonLink. This will assure the .1 channel is not 10 dB low.
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post #2824 of 4525
2/10/13 at 9:25pm
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Originally Posted by Nameless_87 View Post

I tried new cables, I resetted the PS3 3 times, I tried all ports on the Denon and I still get a black picture frown.gif

Putting the video settings on the PS3 in 1080i works, I just don't know why 1080p is not recognised as I am using it with my HTPC and that is fine!

On the PS3 RGB range should be Limited or Full? What about other settings?

Also, are there maybe any settings on the Denon that I should try?
What PS3 do you have?

I have a phat 80GB one, but I don't think that should effect anything as 1080p when connected to the TV is fine.

I have 1st gen PS3 Slim, I have looked at my Video output settings and have it set to Automatic,ypb/cbpr/cr superwhite on,rgb full range /full Drc ,auto and have no issues, I pl;ayed with settings and when I changed video out put from Automatic to RGb or soomething else the Denon had issues recognizing it, Changed it back and it works.. Try that!
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post #2825 of 4525
2/11/13 at 6:11am
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Originally Posted by Dreamliner View Post

When is the replacement to the 4520 coming?
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Originally Posted by Splicer010 View Post

HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHA!!! The 4520 was JUST released and you want it replaced already? eek.gifrolleyes.gif
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Originally Posted by sdrucker View Post

Who do you think this is, Pioneer?

...or Onkyo.rolleyes.gif
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post #2826 of 4525
2/11/13 at 6:22am
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Originally Posted by Nameless_87 View Post

I tried new cables, I resetted the PS3 3 times, I tried all ports on the Denon and I still get a black picture frown.gif

Putting the video settings on the PS3 in 1080i works, I just don't know why 1080p is not recognised as I am using it with my HTPC and that is fine!

On the PS3 RGB range should be Limited or Full? What about other settings?

Also, are there maybe any settings on the Denon that I should try?
What PS3 do you have?

I have a phat 80GB one, but I don't think that should effect anything as 1080p when connected to the TV is fine.

When you said you tried new cables, I assume you swapped both of them?
Not just the one going to the PS3 but the one from the denon to TV as well?
What is the total length of both cables?

Is the Denon set to passthrough (no video processing)?

1080i only out isn't the end of the world.
You really are not losing any picture information.
Your 1080p display will just do what the PS3 does anyway when outputting 1080i. (Deinterlacing to 1080p)

EDIT:
When you output 1080p is it 1080p/60 or 1080p/24?
Have you tried 1080p/24 yet?
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post #2827 of 4525
2/11/13 at 6:56am
Hi all,
I am getting a spot ready for my new 4520 and I am curious how much space to leave around the unit. I noticed in the showroom they only had about 2 inches on top and 1 inch along the sides (no idea about the back). If I leave 2 inches open at the top and sides and leave the back totally open will that be enough? If not should I get a fan?

Tim
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post #2828 of 4525
2/11/13 at 7:42am
Keeping equipment cool helps it to last longer. A quiet fan would be appropriate.

This is a generic statement: some individual systems will run hotter longer than others, but there's no way to predict it.

Usually a showroom replaces their equipment as soon as a new version is available, and getting replacements is relatively easy for them, so keeping a unit working for a long period of time isn't a high priority.

Usually home systems don't get upgraded as often, and getting a replacement can be a pain.
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post #2829 of 4525
2/11/13 at 8:19am
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Originally Posted by tkroeker View Post

Hi all,
I am getting a spot ready for my new 4520 and I am curious how much space to leave around the unit. I noticed in the showroom they only had about 2 inches on top and 1 inch along the sides (no idea about the back). If I leave 2 inches open at the top and sides and leave the back totally open will that be enough? If not should I get a fan?

Tim

With two inches on either side and the back totally open that should allow for enough ventilation - is your unit open in front as well? If so I personally wouldn't be worried. Denon AVRs do not run very hot - if this was an Onkyo (especially from a few years ago) it might be a concern - with Denon I think you should be fine. In fact, my Denon 4520 has similar clearance on either side but both the back and the front are open.

Also, to give you some piece of mind, I have also had a Denon 3310 in my other HT room for over 3 and a half years now in a closed BDI A/V stand - there's about an inch on either side of it and it sits on a ventilated shelf with about two inches below it and two inches above it. So far, no problems to speak of other than a network card failure and pretty much everyone who had a 3310 had a network card failure so I wouldn't attribute that to heat. Overall, that particular AVR is warm to the touch after its been running few a few hours but never uncomfortably so like my Onkyo 876 where even with 6 feet of open air above it you couldn't leave your hand on it as it was just too damn hot.
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post #2830 of 4525
2/11/13 at 8:44am
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Originally Posted by tkroeker View Post

Hi all,
I am getting a spot ready for my new 4520 and I am curious how much space to leave around the unit. I noticed in the showroom they only had about 2 inches on top and 1 inch along the sides (no idea about the back). If I leave 2 inches open at the top and sides and leave the back totally open will that be enough? If not should I get a fan?

Tim

I don't think it will be a problem for heat. That was my concern too. With the extra height of this unit, compared to my previous Onkyo, I have probably less than an inch clearance to the glass shelf above it. Since that is where the heat radiates, from the top, I was initially concerned but have found that this is not a problem. The unit generates much less heat for one thing than the Onkyo....I do have more open space to eithe side, a wall in back behind the shelf and an open front, just to give you some more perspective, but I think you will be fine with this Denon.
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post #2831 of 4525
2/11/13 at 9:09am
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

Keeping equipment cool helps it to last longer. A quiet fan would be appropriate.

This is a generic statement: some individual systems will run hotter longer than others, but there's no way to predict it.

Usually a showroom replaces their equipment as soon as a new version is available, and getting replacements is relatively easy for them, so keeping a unit working for a long period of time isn't a high priority.

Usually home systems don't get upgraded as often, and getting a replacement can be a pain.

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Originally Posted by EVT View Post

With two inches on either side and the back totally open that should allow for enough ventilation - is your unit open in front as well? If so I personally wouldn't be worried. Denon AVRs do not run very hot - if this was an Onkyo (especially from a few years ago) it might be a concern - with Denon I think you should be fine. In fact, my Denon 4520 has similar clearance on either side but both the back and the front are open.

Also, to give you some piece of mind, I have also had a Denon 3310 in my other HT room for over 3 and a half years now in a closed BDI A/V stand - there's about an inch on either side of it and it sits on a ventilated shelf with about two inches below it and two inches above it. So far, no problems to speak of other than a network card failure and pretty much everyone who had a 3310 had a network card failure so I wouldn't attribute that to heat. Overall, that particular AVR is warm to the touch after its been running few a few hours but never uncomfortably so like my Onkyo 876 where even with 6 feet of open air above it you couldn't leave your hand on it as it was just too damn hot.

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Originally Posted by sourbeef View Post

I don't think it will be a problem for heat. That was my concern too. With the extra height of this unit, compared to my previous Onkyo, I have probably less than an inch clearance to the glass shelf above it. Since that is where the heat radiates, from the top, I was initially concerned but have found that this is not a problem. The unit generates much less heat for one thing than the Onkyo....I do have more open space to eithe side, a wall in back behind the shelf and an open front, just to give you some more perspective, but I think you will be fine with this Denon.

Thank you all for your quick responses! That really puts my mind at ease as the front and back are all open.

T
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post #2832 of 4525
2/11/13 at 9:12am
After hearing the rumors of HDMI 2.0 being launched officially later this year, I am thinking Denon will be wanting to incorporate this into any of their future models.
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post #2833 of 4525
2/11/13 at 9:14am
Have nearly read through the whole thread, great to have such a bunch of people with in-depth knowledge.

The 4520 seems great, but how future proof is it?

- Will the 4K standard that has been announced change and render the 4520 redundant in that regard?

- How long before Dolby Atmos etc hits HT...something that I would want to definitely upgrade to.

Cheers.
Edited by Chris Albert - 2/11/13 at 10:28am
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post #2834 of 4525
2/11/13 at 10:38am
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Originally Posted by Chris Albert View Post

Have nearly read through the whole thread, great to have such a bunch of people with in-depth knowledge.

The 4520 seems great, but how future proof is it?

You should buy for what you need now, not what some marketing firm tells you you may need in the future. wink.gif
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post #2835 of 4525
2/11/13 at 10:53am
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Originally Posted by flyingvfreak View Post

I have 1st gen PS3 Slim, I have looked at my Video output settings and have it set to Automatic,ypb/cbpr/cr superwhite on,rgb full range /full Drc ,auto and have no issues, I pl;ayed with settings and when I changed video out put from Automatic to RGb or soomething else the Denon had issues recognizing it, Changed it back and it works.. Try that!

I will try that thanks smile.gif
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Originally Posted by bootman_head_fi View Post

When you said you tried new cables, I assume you swapped both of them?
Not just the one going to the PS3 but the one from the denon to TV as well?
What is the total length of both cables?

Is the Denon set to passthrough (no video processing)?

1080i only out isn't the end of the world.
You really are not losing any picture information.
Your 1080p display will just do what the PS3 does anyway when outputting 1080i. (Deinterlacing to 1080p)

EDIT:
When you output 1080p is it 1080p/60 or 1080p/24?
Have you tried 1080p/24 yet?

Yes I changed both cables... I had 2m and 3m cables and tried 2x 1m cables to keep the distance short and I still have the problem unfortunately
Denon is set to passthrough (i/p scaler is off, video conversion is on)
I have tried 1080p60, 1080p50 and 1080p24... everything works fine... except the PS3, the Denon is not recognising the signal for some reason.

I am not too fussed with 1080i vs 1080p as the games are 720p anyway (which works fine). The thing I want to know is if the fault is coming from the AVR or the PS3.. Cause the AVR is less than 2 months old!
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post #2836 of 4525
2/11/13 at 11:25am
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Originally Posted by Chris Albert View Post

Have nearly read through the whole thread, great to have such a bunch of people with in-depth knowledge.

The 4520 seems great, but how future proof is it?

- Will the 4K standard that has been announced change and render the 4520 redundant in that regard?

- How long before Dolby Atmos etc hits HT...something that I would want to definitely upgrade to.

Cheers.

Dolby Atmos is in its early infancy. I read on Dolby's website that they would be a few years away at the minimum to get any kind of consumer product released. Given that only a dozen theaters nationwide have them, I would not be concerned with this badge for now. Since 4K is also a few years away from being mainstream, I would say buying the 4520 now would be a good bet to last 3-4 years.

Since home theater processors are more of a changing spec than ever before, future proofing is next to impossible.
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post #2837 of 4525
2/11/13 at 11:49am
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Originally Posted by tkroeker View Post

Hi all,
I am getting a spot ready for my new 4520 and I am curious how much space to leave around the unit. I noticed in the showroom they only had about 2 inches on top and 1 inch along the sides (no idea about the back). If I leave 2 inches open at the top and sides and leave the back totally open will that be enough? If not should I get a fan?

Tim

I set my receivers on top of an open rack in order to let heat rise without any restrictions.
Ever since we switched from catholic tubes to solid state, heat has become our electronics number one enemy. Even during the old days resistors and capacitors used to fail because of heat.
Heat can also cause tiny cracks in and around circuit boards soldering causing intermittent failures almost impossible to locate because they make contacts on and off during cyclical expansions and retractions inside the unit due to heat.
I think consumer electronics products are designed to fail very conveniently shortly after warranty expiration to keep our fake consumption economy growing… In other words, whatever the manual suggests for heat dissipation clearance is to protect the manufacturer not the consumer.
I say keep them cool………..
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post #2838 of 4525
2/11/13 at 12:08pm
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Ever since we switched from catholic tubes....

 

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post #2839 of 4525
2/11/13 at 12:31pm
Ok hope someone can help
I have 4520 ci
Can you change the speaker levels on the fly
With out going back into the menus
I.E. to do a calibration disc?

Denon Tec I spoke to did not know what a thx set up disc was ?!!!!!!!!!
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post #2840 of 4525
2/11/13 at 12:42pm
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Originally Posted by howard68 View Post

Ok hope someone can help
I have 4520 ci
Can you change the speaker levels on the fly
With out going back into the menus
I.E. to do a calibration disc?

Denon Tec I spoke to did not know what a thx set up disc was ?!!!!!!!!!

 

No.  What is this calibration disk you are talking about?  Perhaps I am as ignorant as the Denon Tech...  confused.gif

 

Edit:  Are you talking about using a disk with test tones to set your 4520 channel levels?

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post #2841 of 4525
2/11/13 at 12:47pm
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

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Yea, catholic tubes? eek.gif I'm sorely tempted to make some jokes up about that typo. I'm certain he meant "vacuum tubes." smile.gif
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post #2842 of 4525
2/11/13 at 12:52pm
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Originally Posted by howard68 View Post

Ok hope someone can help
I have 4520 ci
Can you change the speaker levels on the fly
With out going back into the menus
I.E. to do a calibration disc?

Denon Tec I spoke to did not know what a thx set up disc was ?!!!!!!!!!

No, the only "official" way is to use the Denon GUI to access the internal test tones via the channel level menu.

That said there is really no reason to try and override these tones with an external calibration disc. Part of what Audyssey does is calibrate the levels for you, so if all you want to do is check the balance the internal test tones are the way to go.

You CAN change channel levels without going into the GUI if you use the web interface.

Alternately, if you have a programmable universal (URC, Harmony, etc) you can add discrete channel level commands to the remote.
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post #2843 of 4525
2/11/13 at 1:00pm
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Ever since we switched from catholic tubes...
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you know those priests and their catholic tubes, they're always heating up and getting into trouble...

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post #2844 of 4525
2/11/13 at 1:01pm
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Originally Posted by Theresa View Post

Yea, catholic tubes? eek.gif I'm sorely tempted to make some jokes up about that typo. I'm certain he meant "vacuum tubes." smile.gif

Either he's got topical news in his mind, or he's referring to tubes with a sophisticated, universal nature LOL biggrin.gif
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post #2845 of 4525
2/11/13 at 1:05pm
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Originally Posted by Nameless_87 View Post

I will try that thanks smile.gif
Yes I changed both cables... I had 2m and 3m cables and tried 2x 1m cables to keep the distance short and I still have the problem unfortunately
Denon is set to passthrough (i/p scaler is off, video conversion is on)
I have tried 1080p60, 1080p50 and 1080p24... everything works fine... except the PS3, the Denon is not recognising the signal for some reason.

I am not too fussed with 1080i vs 1080p as the games are 720p anyway (which works fine). The thing I want to know is if the fault is coming from the AVR or the PS3.. Cause the AVR is less than 2 months old!

It's hard to say what the issue is, I have a PS3 slim and it works just fine connected to my 4520 and through to my TV. I don't blame you for being concerned as you're trying to rule out if its an issue with your AVR that should be corrected. It's odd to being seeing handshake issues with modern devices - the last time I experienced a handshake issue was in 2006 with a Toshiba HDDVD player and of all things a Toshiba TV. The best I can think of is to borrow a friend's PS3 and see if that works - just in case it's an issue of some sort with your particular unit.
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post #2846 of 4525
2/11/13 at 2:22pm
Hi
Thanks for the reply
The remote codes to change the levels are not the same as all 3 of my last denon receivers


It would be nice to have some control
When you spend $2500
I have a long list of calibration discs
From dts THX ect
I can only use them for picture now

The sound is very good am happy
The set up feels a little dumed down
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post #2847 of 4525
2/11/13 at 3:12pm
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Originally Posted by howard68 View Post

Hi
Thanks for the reply
The remote codes to change the levels are not the same as all 3 of my last denon receivers


It would be nice to have some control
When you spend $2500
I have a long list of calibration discs
From dts THX ect
I can only use them for picture now

The sound is very good am happy
The set up feels a little dumed down

 

I still don't think we understand the issue.  When you run the Audyssey set-up, it sets the levels for each channel.  This set-up is probably much more accurate than you could achieve by running test tones and adjusting channel trims manually using an SPL.  Why is the Audyssey set-up not sufficient?

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post #2848 of 4525
2/11/13 at 4:04pm
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Originally Posted by farkem View Post


you know those priests and their catholic tubes, they're always heating up and getting into trouble...

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The thought got stuck in my mind while I was reading a classified internal memo about the reason behind the Pope’s resignation today… Fortunately I have guardian angels keeping me straight…My grammar that is…cool.gif
The heat is on…..
Edited by Joe6P - 2/11/13 at 4:12pm
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post #2849 of 4525
2/11/13 at 4:10pm
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Originally Posted by Theresa View Post

Yea, catholic tubes? eek.gif I'm sorely tempted to make some jokes up about that typo. I'm certain he meant "vacuum tubes." smile.gif
If I stick long enough around here I guarantee you I’ll make you “confess” your jokes.wink.gif
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post #2850 of 4525
2/11/13 at 7:00pm
I just wanted the option to change the levels at will
It is nice to have a car that can drive its self
However it is nice to take control too
My wife likes to have the center channel up more than me
I used to do this on on the fly
They have removed many personal controls
That I miss ):
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