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post #3031 of 4518
2/18/13 at 11:41am
Does anyone know if Audyssey LFC™ (Low Frequency Containment) works on all (full Range) channels or only on the Sub Outputs. I am considering using this unit in a Condo Installation with full range L-R Speaker and NO SUBS. The LFC makes this unit very attractive for Condo installs with neighbors near but I need it to affect full range speaker LF output. Please advise.

Chucka
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post #3032 of 4518
2/18/13 at 11:57am
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When an AVR is rated as 150W/9 CH it doesn't mean that 150W is available with all 9 CH playing, rather as I noted in my previous post likely closer to 70W/CH. The rating a mfr markets for an AVR is generally only powering 2CH and not all 5, 7, or 9. Yes, you can use the 2809CI to add those additional 2 CH (as already indicated you MUST use external amplification to go from 9.2 to 11.2).

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post #3033 of 4518
2/18/13 at 1:41pm
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Originally Posted by Chucka View Post

Does anyone know if Audyssey LFC™ (Low Frequency Containment) works on all (full Range) channels or only on the Sub Outputs. I am considering using this unit in a Condo Installation with full range L-R Speaker and NO SUBS. The LFC makes this unit very attractive for Condo installs with neighbors near but I need it to affect full range speaker LF output. Please advise.

Chucka

 

Hey Chuck, I ran the following test for you:

 

- Set Left and Right fronts to Large.

- Set subwoofers=none

- Played one of my bass-heavy test tracks.

- Toggled LFC On and Off, and adjusted the LFC level slider up and down.

 

Result:  LFC does work in a no-sub, full-range main speaker configuration.  It is actually quite effective.  Good luck in the condo!

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post #3034 of 4518
2/19/13 at 8:22am
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Originally Posted by turnne1 View Post

if that is the only difference...then it sounds like D&M Holdings is really trying to pad their bottom line

on another note....since the 8801 is not truly fully balanced one would think that the deduction of the amps and the addition of the quasi balanced outputs would be a wash in price...and it would be( or near) the same price as the 4520




Warren

My assumption is D&M figured anyone seeking a high caliber preamp (and even knowing about one) would be an audiophile with a budget high enough to afford separate amps. The fact that the 4520 has a designated preamp-only stage, and it shares the same DACs as the 8801, should make it clearly obvious that they recycled this platform.

I am surprised there are not any more observations of this. Imagine if Denon released a "5520" with the only difference being the XLRs.
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post #3035 of 4518
2/19/13 at 9:29am
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

Hey Chuck, I ran the following test for you:

- Set Left and Right fronts to Large.
- Set subwoofers=none
- Played one of my bass-heavy test tracks.
- Toggled LFC On and Off, and adjusted the LFC level slider up and down.

Result:  LFC does work in a no-sub, full-range main speaker configuration.  It is actually quite effective.  Good luck in the condo!


Thank You for running this test. This makes this unit quire attractive for use in a condo installation.

Chucka
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post #3036 of 4518
2/19/13 at 11:53am
Hello,
I have a question to you fellow denizens of the AVR-4520CI Thread. Sunday night in the middle of watching The Walking Dead all of a sudden the AVR shut off and the red standby light was flashing. When I turned off the AVR it went back to being a solid red.

When I turned it back on it would power up, but if I adjusted the volume or anything else really it would go back into protection. This went of for about 30 minutes until I did a Microprocessor Reset. It did shutdown probably 4 or 5 times while setting up the AVR again after the reset. And then it started working again for the rest of the evening I did leave it on Sunday night and did wake up in the middle of the night and it again was flashing red.

However, since then it has been acting normally. As I have posted before, I have the AVR set to Preamp Only Mode and there are no loose connections or anything like that as it had been working fine for a few weeks and has been working fine since.

The thing is I am somewhat gunshy about keeping it as I am now constantly concerned the other shoe is going to drop, Regardless, it was fine before Sunday night and has operated flawless since.

So I suppose my question to you all is should I exchange it'? For the life of me I cannot understand what would have caused it to do that on Sunday. The internal amplifiers are turned off and the AVR is on the very top of an AV Stand with as much clearance as imaginable.
Any insights would be greatly appreciated.
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post #3037 of 4518
2/19/13 at 12:05pm
I would definitely return it/rma etc..
I had something similar happen with a onkyo if mine which turned our to be a widespread problem. I sent it off for repair and received it back in working condition.

The main reason I just ordered my 4520 is mainly wanting to go with a different brand. I have heard that denon is a better overall product I side be out.

I'm assuming this isn't something that is a issue with these units?
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post #3038 of 4518
2/19/13 at 12:19pm

I would return/exchange it as well.  There haven't been too many reports of hardware issues.  However, my first 4520 had a dead surround channel, and I was forced to ask for a replacement.  Nothing wrong with my current 4520.

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post #3039 of 4518
2/19/13 at 12:33pm
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Originally Posted by nezff View Post

I would definitely return it/rma etc..
I had something similar happen with a onkyo if mine which turned our to be a widespread problem. I sent it off for repair and received it back in working condition.

The main reason I just ordered my 4520 is mainly wanting to go with a different brand. I have heard that denon is a better overall product I side be out.

I'm assuming this isn't something that is a issue with these units?

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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

I would return/exchange it as well.  There haven't been too many reports of hardware issues.  However, my first 4520 had a dead surround channel, and I was forced to ask for a replacement.  Nothing wrong with my current 4520.

Hello,
My sincerest thanks for your replies, I think you are both correct and that I should return it. It is just strange that it happened like that and has been fine since.
Cheers,
AD
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post #3040 of 4518
2/19/13 at 12:48pm
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Originally Posted by Audiodork View Post

Hello,
I have a question to you fellow denizens of the AVR-4520CI Thread. Sunday night in the middle of watching The Walking Dead all of a sudden the AVR shut off and the red standby light was flashing. When I turned off the AVR it went back to being a solid red.

When I turned it back on it would power up, but if I adjusted the volume or anything else really it would go back into protection. This went of for about 30 minutes until I did a Microprocessor Reset. It did shutdown probably 4 or 5 times while setting up the AVR again after the reset. And then it started working again for the rest of the evening I did leave it on Sunday night and did wake up in the middle of the night and it again was flashing red.

However, since then it has been acting normally. As I have posted before, I have the AVR set to Preamp Only Mode and there are no loose connections or anything like that as it had been working fine for a few weeks and has been working fine since.

The thing is I am somewhat gunshy about keeping it as I am now constantly concerned the other shoe is going to drop, Regardless, it was fine before Sunday night and has operated flawless since.

So I suppose my question to you all is should I exchange it'? For the life of me I cannot understand what would have caused it to do that on Sunday. The internal amplifiers are turned off and the AVR is on the very top of an AV Stand with as much clearance as imaginable.
Any insights would be greatly appreciated.
AD

Sounds like a hardware issue since it kept on doing it after the reset.
I don’t think the problem will go away by itself. In some cases it’s a bad socket contact but most of the time it’s a microscopic crack in a circuit board soldering that is very hard to locate. Temperature variation inside the unit exasperates the problem.
If it’s under warranty I’d definitely insist on a replacement unit not just a fix.
It is very important to report such issues to the manufacturer to be documented. In some cases, and due to poor assembly equipments setups, an entire batch of circuit boards comes out with the same problem.
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post #3041 of 4518
2/19/13 at 1:05pm
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Originally Posted by Audiodork View Post


It is just strange that it happened like that and has been fine since.

AD

You can try smothering the unit temporarily causing it to build up internal heat quickly and find out if it fails again and how long it takes to fail.
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post #3042 of 4518
2/19/13 at 1:14pm
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Originally Posted by Audiodork View Post


Hello,
My sincerest thanks for your replies, I think you are both correct and that I should return it. It is just strange that it happened like that and has been fine since.
Cheers,
AD

Return that lemon! tongue.gif
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post #3043 of 4518
2/19/13 at 4:40pm
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Originally Posted by Joe6P View Post

... Temperature variation inside the unit exasperates the problem...
or, more pedantically put, it exacerbates the problem which in turn exasperates the owner. wink.gif
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post #3044 of 4518
2/19/13 at 5:02pm
Hey guys,
For those of you who have set up all 11 speakers, did you set up the heights according to the Dolby or Audyssey diagrams? Has anyone tried both options and have any preferences?
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post #3045 of 4518
2/19/13 at 5:24pm
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Originally Posted by Audiodork View Post

So I suppose my question to you all is should I exchange it'? For the life of me I cannot understand what would have caused it to do that on Sunday. The internal amplifiers are turned off and the AVR is on the very top of an AV Stand with as much clearance as imaginable.
Any insights would be greatly appreciated.
AD

Note the internal amps are always on,, rather in pre-amp mode there is simply no signal going to them. Note also that a quick flashing red light (2/sec) generally means either a loose speaker wire touching another post or amp failure, while a slower flashing red light (every 2 sec) means a ventilation issue. If none of the above applies, then replacement is likely your best bet. frown.gif
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post #3046 of 4518
2/19/13 at 10:32pm
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Originally Posted by Audiodork View Post

So I suppose my question to you all is should I exchange it'? For the life of me I cannot understand what would have caused it to do that on Sunday. The internal amplifiers are turned off and the AVR is on the very top of an AV Stand with as much clearance as imaginable.
Any insights would be greatly appreciated.
AD

To add to this, there simply is no manufacturer that can guarantee a 0% fault tolerance rate on their products. There is always that one unit that passes QA that for whatever reason just fails. That might be one of the reason a lot of manufacturers in the audio world have 5 year warranties on speakers, and typically 2-3 years in electronics. I noticed the 4520 now has a 3 year warranty. I believe Denon AVRs typically have 2 years.

Given this flagship status, I would imagine Denon service should take care of you without much grief.
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post #3047 of 4518
2/20/13 at 5:36am
Thanks to everyone for their feedback in this post! I got my 4520 in yesterday that replaced an aging B&K 307 for my little theater room. After going through all the setup and watching/listening to some of my older standards, Eagles Hell Freezes Over and Steely Dan's Two Against Nature, I can say that I am quite the happy camper!

Details to come as I play with it a bit more.
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post #3048 of 4518
2/20/13 at 9:36am
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Originally Posted by SoundofMind View Post

^No, Audysey is applied only in the main zone.


However...you can do a calibration for the 5.1 and use network save. Then do one for 2.0 and Network Save. It takes only a few minutes to switch between them using Network Load.

I havent received my 4520 yet. Will be here friday. I looked in the manual, but didnt see the network save option? Can you explain?
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post #3049 of 4518
2/20/13 at 10:46am
I ordered a 4520 on Monday, it should be in either Friday or Monday. Can't wait! It will be replacing a 3311 and an AS-EQ 1, which I won't need now because of xt32 and SubEq in the 4520. The 3311 will be moved to another set up in the house, and the AS-EQ1 will be for sale soon.
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post #3050 of 4518
2/20/13 at 10:49am
^^^
You do it from the web interface on your Mac/PC.

Look for the IP address if the Denon on your router and type that into your browser.

When the web GUI appears, select “Setup”, and then “General”. On the left side, click either “Load” or “Save”.
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post #3051 of 4518
2/20/13 at 10:57am
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Originally Posted by Chris Albert View Post

^^^
You do it from the web interface on your Mac/PC.

Look for the IP address if the Denon on your router and type that into your browser.

When the web GUI appears, select “Setup”, and then “General”. On the left side, click either “Load” or “Save”.

thanks!!
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post #3052 of 4518
2/20/13 at 11:01am
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Originally Posted by nezff View Post

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Originally Posted by SoundofMind View Post

^No, Audysey is applied only in the main zone.


However...you can do a calibration for the 5.1 and use network save. Then do one for 2.0 and Network Save. It takes only a few minutes to switch between them using Network Load.

I havent received my 4520 yet. Will be here friday. I looked in the manual, but didnt see the network save option? Can you explain?
thanks

 

Here is the detailed procedure:  http://www.avsforum.com/t/1430049/the-official-denon-avr-4520ci-thread/330#post_22487485

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post #3053 of 4518
2/20/13 at 11:29am
^Jerry, thnx for linking to that great post on Network Save/Load.
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post #3054 of 4518
2/20/13 at 12:08pm
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

Here is the detailed procedure:  http://www.avsforum.com/t/1430049/the-official-denon-avr-4520ci-thread/330#post_22487485

So this network save basically saves your whole config on the 4520? HDMI labeling, Audyssey config etc..?

On a side note, Im pretty sure I know the answer but wanted to ask since I will be a first time Denon user. With my Onkyo 5508, after Audyssey XT32 finished, you could bump up the xover values from say 40hz to 80hz without any problem or voiding the whole Audyssey procedure. Im assuming this is the same on the Denon?
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post #3055 of 4518
2/20/13 at 12:19pm
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Originally Posted by nezff View Post

So this network save basically saves your whole config on the 4520? HDMI labeling, Audyssey config etc..?

On a side note, Im pretty sure I know the answer but wanted to ask since I will be a first time Denon user. With my Onkyo 5508, after Audyssey XT32 finished, you could bump up the xover values from say 40hz to 80hz without any problem or voiding the whole Audyssey procedure. Im assuming this is the same on the Denon?

Yes, you can do that with Denon too. This is actually necessary just to set your AVR up as Audyssey intends as they generally recommend setting all speakers to small and setting your crossover to 80Hz. I have never saved my settings to the network but my understanding is that you can do so - it's a feature that both my 4520 and my now almost 4 year old 3310 has as well but i've never bothered to use it on either.
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post #3056 of 4518
2/20/13 at 12:31pm
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Originally Posted by nezff View Post

So this network save basically saves your whole config on the 4520? HDMI labeling, Audyssey config etc..?
... With my Onkyo 5508, after Audyssey XT32 finished, you could bump up the xover values from say 40hz to 80hz without any problem or voiding the whole Audyssey procedure. Im assuming this is the same on the Denon?
Yes and yes.
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post #3057 of 4518
2/20/13 at 12:42pm
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Originally Posted by Bigstew View Post

Thanks to everyone for their feedback in this post! I got my 4520 in yesterday that replaced an aging B&K 307 for my little theater room. After going through all the setup and watching/listening to some of my older standards, Eagles Hell Freezes Over and Steely Dan's Two Against Nature, I can say that I am quite the happy camper!

Details to come as I play with it a bit more.


Hell Freezes Over is one of my go to DVDs for auditioning new hardware or speakers. Especially love the DTS only track at the end, Seven Bridges Road.
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post #3058 of 4518
2/20/13 at 2:46pm
Does anyone know what is the best price for the 4520CI, and where can I find one? Please feel free to PM me.

Thanks!
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post #3059 of 4518
2/20/13 at 3:38pm
AVS sells them
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post #3060 of 4518
2/20/13 at 6:11pm
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Does anyone know what is the best price for the 4520CI, and where can I find one? Please feel free to PM me.

Thanks!

Give avscience.com a call. smile.gif
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