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post #3361 of 7730
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Originally Posted by Djoel View Post

Thanks that makes a whole lot of sense for my situation.
Hockey puck, I rather use my magic bricks on top of my Denon to purge out all impurities in the signal...wink.gif
Hope you're being fictitious eek.gifbiggrin.gif

Djoel

I am. smile.gif
post #3362 of 7730
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Originally Posted by pgor888 View Post

Hey, anyone have a problem with low pre out volume scales on their 4520cis? I am using my 4520ci as a preamp only and am cranking it at 60 (0 to 99 scale) to really get any nice volume out of it. It is being used as a pre for 3 Emotiva x series amps so there is no lack of available power on the amp side. I know the amps and speakers are capable of much more because before the 4520ci came I hooked up the amps directly to the analog outs on my Key Digitial matrix switcher and the volume range was crushing on the Key Digital controls. I have the audio level outs of the Key Digital set to 95% but am still on the factory default input levels for the Denon. Should I just crank up the Denon input levels all the way? Very surprised on how little push I am getting here from the set up and am wondering if I am missing something on the Denon set up or my Denon has a defect. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

Try a re-cal?
No issue with my 4520 and XPA - 3. In fact it was too much gain IMO.
post #3363 of 7730
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Originally Posted by pgor888 View Post

Hey, anyone have a problem with low pre out volume scales on their 4520cis? I am using my 4520ci as a preamp only and am cranking it at 60 (0 to 99 scale) to really get any nice volume out of it. It is being used as a pre for 3 Emotiva x series amps so there is no lack of available power on the amp side. I know the amps and speakers are capable of much more because before the 4520ci came I hooked up the amps directly to the analog outs on my Key Digitial matrix switcher and the volume range was crushing on the Key Digital controls. I have the audio level outs of the Key Digital set to 95% but am still on the factory default input levels for the Denon. Should I just crank up the Denon input levels all the way? Very surprised on how little push I am getting here from the set up and am wondering if I am missing something on the Denon set up or my Denon has a defect. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

Im using a 1000w x 3 for my front stage and Im up around 60 to get any decent volume

All my speakers are set at 75db
post #3364 of 7730
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Not a problem, that's normal operation. After Audyssey calibration 80 is reference, so 60 is 20db softer than reference. Turn it up! smile.gif

Thanks. That is good to hear and very helpful.
post #3365 of 7730
Thread Starter 
A lot of people are initially confused by the digital, logarithmic volume scale on newer receivers. They are used to older units where 1/2 way on the volume was blasting the roof off. On a modern unit after calibration you will send most of your time in the upper 1/2 of the volume range, don't be afraid to push it up to 70-80 especially with external amps.
post #3366 of 7730
I'm considering upgrading to the 4520CI from my 3308CI. In an effort to save money, I saw that Crutchfield have open box and scratch and dent units available for $250 and $375 less than retail respectively. These both have a 60-day return period with a $7 return shipping charge (important for a large heavy item) and the 3 year factory warranty. There is also a Denon factory refurbished unit from Accessories4Less that is $800 less than retail but only has a 1-year warranty (extendable to 3 years for $85). Furthermore, it has a 30-day return policy with a 15% restocking fee plus whatever costs they incurred to ship and my costs to ship back (I can see this being $80 each way).
What are the thoughts on these options?
post #3367 of 7730
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Originally Posted by dsayed View Post

I'm considering upgrading to the 4520CI from my 3308CI. In an effort to save money, I saw that Crutchfield have open box and scratch and dent units available for $250 and $375 less than retail respectively. These both have a 60-day return period with a $7 return shipping charge (important for a large heavy item) and the 3 year factory warranty. There is also a Denon factory refurbished unit from Accessories4Less that is $800 less than retail but only has a 1-year warranty (extendable to 3 years for $85). Furthermore, it has a 30-day return policy with a 15% restocking fee plus whatever costs they incurred to ship and my costs to ship back (I can see this being $80 each way).
What are the thoughts on these options?

Contact Mike Garret (AVS Sales) for price of a new unit. You may be pleasantly surprised!
post #3368 of 7730
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

Hey Dan,

I'm holding on to my 4311 till the price of the 4520 hits $1200 wink.gif. Even then I'm not sure if I would switch from the 4311. I think you should hold on to your 4311 and spend the upgrade money on SACDs biggrin.gif.
I would really miss the on the fly channel level settings. Has anyone ever tried the 4311's remote with the 4520 to see if the channel level function works? I only have a 5.1 system so the 4520 might be overkill when I already have the 4311.


Bill

I see a lot of long time Onkyo owners of many years( in this thread) swinging on the Denon bandwagen......

I havent made the switch yet...but contemplating joining the D&M side of the fence

Though quite frankly that Marantz 8801 is the one that has my eyes open

to use Bill's analogy...I will wait until the Marantz hits $1800...then I am good with getting rid of the 5508 and that "farking" clicking..as well some inconsistent HDMI issues that seem to happen occasionally

guess I would keep the Onkyo receivers...they were either
A. fire sale price
B. a warranty replacement from Onkyo



Warren
post #3369 of 7730
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Originally Posted by turnne1 View Post


Though quite frankly that Marantz 8801 is the one that has my eyes open

Any particular advantage you like about the 8801 over the 4520?
post #3370 of 7730
Bummer!
I decided to pull the trigger on the 4520 yesterday and I went to BB to buy it. When I got there I measured the face and it is a full 7.75" high. My shelf only has 7.5" of clearance before it hits the support brace for the shelf above it.
So my options are: get a new TV stand which is harder than it sounds due to aesthetics, WAF, and finding a stand that has the room necessary for my components, change brands (Pioneer SC-68?) or get a 4311 and give up DTS Neo:X which is one of the main reasons for the upgrade.
post #3371 of 7730
Don't forget that you also need quite a few inches of clearance above any receiver for cooling. A fan is an alternative if that much space isn't available.

In other words, you need to consider replacement shelving, unless you can set the receiver on the top, open to the air.
post #3372 of 7730
Any suggestions on fans to use? Can the fan be temp controlled or power controlled?
post #3373 of 7730
Yes, there's a support bar that's 7.5" above the shelf but there's another 1.5" past that bar so I actually have 9" except for where the bar runs across. So I have 1.5" clearance above the top of my receiver and I also use a little USB powered 4" fan that cools the back of the AVR.
post #3374 of 7730
ellisR63,
Search USB powered fans at Amazon, there's a bunch to choose from.
post #3375 of 7730
Refurb or new purchase?
Would you buy a return from an authorized Denon return online reseller? The 4520 is significantly less as a refurb
purchase. Is a three year warranty that important?
post #3376 of 7730
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Originally Posted by mo0sic View Post

Refurb or new purchase?
Would you buy a return from an authorized Denon return online reseller? The 4520 is significantly less as a refurb
purchase. Is a three year warranty that important?
Hello mo0sic-speaking from personal experience, I would go new, if at all possible. I have gone refurb on two units:one was great and one had the dreaded "intermittent" problem-not to mention a shortened warranty period. Though units, returned to Denon for problems, are tested, if an intermittent problem was the cause of the return, it could very well slip through a second time-and then the trials and tribulations begin. Secondly, a full warranty period (in this case 3 years) gives much more protection, in case of an HDMI board failure-they are in the 550 and up range, not including labor. You might give Mike Garret, at AVS science, a call and get a price over the phone, on a new unit-you might be pleasantly surprised
post #3377 of 7730
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Originally Posted by fordf250 View Post

Hello mo0sic-speaking from personal experience, I would go new, if at all possible. I have gone refurb on two units:one was great and one had the dreaded "intermittent" problem-not to mention a shortened warranty period. Though units, returned to Denon for problems, are tested, if an intermittent problem was the cause of the return, it could very well slip through a second time-and then the trials and tribulations begin. Secondly, a full warranty period (in this case 3 years) gives much more protection, in case of an HDMI board failure-they are in the 550 and up range, not including labor. You might give Mike Garret, at AVS science, a call and get a price over the phone, on a new unit-you might be pleasantly surprised


You were right. I called and spoke to Mike and placed an order with him. Got a great price considering the refurb price + extended warranty is.
post #3378 of 7730
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Originally Posted by DougReim View Post

ellisR63,
Search USB powered fans at Amazon, there's a bunch to choose from.
What fans do others use? There are a lot on Amazon but I have no idea which ones are noisy or unreliable.
post #3379 of 7730
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Originally Posted by ellisr63 View Post

What fans do others use? There are a lot on Amazon but I have no idea which ones are noisy or unreliable.

Try www.rackfans.com-and once on the site, look at the AV fans; I use them and they are a great application for my system.
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post #3381 of 7730
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Originally Posted by fordf250 View Post

Try www.rackfans.com-and once on the site, look at the AV fans; I use them and they are a great application for my system.

I'm thinking the Procool AV280t should be enough... My rack is open on all four sides but I only have a inch or 2 for clearance above the 4520.
post #3382 of 7730
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Originally Posted by DougReim View Post

http://www.amazon.com/IO-Crest-Powered-Desktop-SY-ACC65055/dp/B006L6ZL8I/ref=sr_1_3?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1363052690&sr=1-3&keywords=usb+fans


I'm pretty sure this is the one I bought and it's worked fine for a few months.

Thanks but I need something that can be mounted or sit right above the 4520 in my rack. I should have been more clear in my needs. :-)
post #3383 of 7730
It looks like my 4520 is updating its firmware now.
10 minutes update it says...
post #3384 of 7730
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Yes the CH level button has been tested by several (myself included) on the new mods. It doesn't work, the pop up menu doesn't exist anymore.

Discrete ch volume commands from a universal remote do work though. But I agree for a 5ch setup swapping from the 4311 to the 4520 prob doesn't make sense unless you will really use some of those extra features.
I have the AVR Remote installed on my phone, it looks like it has control of individual channels!

Where is the information for the remote commands? I wonder if I can set it up on my harmony. All I ever do is adjust the Center or Subs...
post #3385 of 7730
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Originally Posted by ellisr63 View Post

Thanks but I need something that can be mounted or sit right above the 4520 in my rack. I should have been more clear in my needs. :-)

This is the fan that I use. It's plugged into the 4520's rear USB port and turns on when the receiver powers on. I just lay the fan over the warmest spot on the receiver's top and the receiver stays nice and lukewarm. You can direct the exhaust air in the direction that is most appropriate for your setup. The fan is pretty quiet but it can be heard once you get within a couple of feet of it. I never had a problem with the receiver overheating, in fact this Denon runs much, much cooler than my previous Onkyo 705, but I figured this fan would give me some cheap piece of mind.
post #3386 of 7730
So I finished the latest firmware update. It took much more than ten minutes.
I noticed my manual speaker levels defaulted back to Audyssey’s.

Note: Before I did the update, the HDMI output didn’t work when I powered my system this evening until I did the unplugging routine. Then it did and it showed the new available firmware ready to download.
post #3387 of 7730
I'm a current 4311 user and very satisfied but have a chance to upgrade to the 4520 at a decent price so looking for opinions from anyone who has upgraded from the 4311 and what they think. Is it worth doing now or wait for the next generation or the price to come down a bit. Would you do it again if given the chance? Are the differences that great to make it worthwhile?

TIA,
pmh
post #3388 of 7730
^My impression (from reading, not as a 4520 owner) is that irt SQ it is pretty close. There may be subtle improvements for high-end systems when critical "audiphile" listening of very well-recorded material. Mebbe not. For the vast majority of 4311 owners I don't think this model is a breakthru must-have.

As to whether it's worth the expense and trouble, it more or less comes down to the new features (vs loss of a few features) and what matters to you. I suggest you consult the first post for the exact list of differences as listed by batpig.

You could then "search this thread" for "4311" ranked by most recent and read thru the posts. You'll find several that cover the topic from various personal perspectives. If you have the speakers, Neo:X seems to be well regarded.

For me, the AVR2809 was a very worthwhile improvement over the 2808 because of DEQ/DVol. The 4310 was simply a crazy good deal at under $700 with DSX wides and networking, both very cool features. The 4311 was a must-have improvement over the 4310 because of MultEQXT32.
Edited by SoundofMind - 3/12/13 at 4:01am
post #3389 of 7730
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Dreamliner View Post

Where is the information for the remote commands? I wonder if I can set it up on my harmony. All I ever do is adjust the Center or Subs...

All the info you need is here: http://batpigworld.com/wp/?p=106

Like you I only really care about tweaking the center and/or sub, so I just have those two commands programmed into my Harmony.
post #3390 of 7730
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Originally Posted by laulau View Post

This is the fan that I use. It's plugged into the 4520's rear USB port and turns on when the receiver powers on. I just lay the fan over the warmest spot on the receiver's top and the receiver stays nice and lukewarm. You can direct the exhaust air in the direction that is most appropriate for your setup. The fan is pretty quiet but it can be heard once you get within a couple of feet of it. I never had a problem with the receiver overheating, in fact this Denon runs much, much cooler than my previous Onkyo 705, but I figured this fan would give me some cheap piece of mind.

Thanks, I am going to run over to Frys and see if they have it in stock.
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