The **OFFICIAL** DENON AVR-4520CI thread - Page 119

It does it for you also. someone has to know the answer

If Does it on True HD also. the only way i found was to turn the backs off in the speaker configuration and then turn them back on if i do have a 7.1 disc.

Hi all, have just bought the 4520 (upgrading from the 2807). Ran through Audyssey today and then used an spl metre to set the channel level of each speaker to 75db.

The issue I'm having is that the volume will not go below 0 (with zero being 'mute'). I used to listen to cable at about -30 and BD's at -15db. However, I am now having to listen at +30 and the volume will not go below 0.

FYI I have tuend the Dynamic setting off. Any ideas what has gone wrong here?


Many thanks

Try going into Volume Control and truing off the volume limit this might work. And then put back Dynamic EQ on.

Older Denon AVRs like your 2807 default to the "relative" volume scale (-79db to + 18db) while the newer models like your 4520 now default to the "absolute" volume scale (0 - 98). If you prefer the "relative" scale you can change it (p. 124 OM).

can you not set DPLIIx for matrix-ing rears when playing back 5.1 DTS-HD ?

I thought you could on the 4311 ? sound a lot better tan just copying the surround signal

Just an FYI, there is no need, and usually nothing to be gained from using your meter to override Autosetup/Audyssey mic ch trims.

Batpig,
Are you serious? You had told me before that the 4520 dropped the customized stereo settings which was almost a deal breaker. Am I understanding correctly that you can't listen to stereo at all without going in and changing speaker settings each time?
If you have 7 or 9 speakers set up, it will automatically default to that? They couldn't have designed it so that you can't listen to a source in it's native format, that would be just plain dumb!
Edited by DougReim - 3/16/13 at 5:47am

how many dts-HD or Dolby TrueHD recordings are in STEREO?

Doug,

As he said, it's a feature of the DTS-HD/MA decoder. DTS-HD/MA is the multichannel audio encoding primarily used by Blu-ray surround-sound movie tracks, not for CDs or other stereo audio sources. I suspect the designers' expectations were that if you're listening to surround-sound, its purpose is to envelop you in sound coming from all directions. Why would you want there to be a hole in the audio behind you?

 

I think you misunderstood BP.  Stereo sources will play using only two speakers.  Like previous Denons, once you select a playback mode on a source for a particular type of content, the 4520 will remember that selection and continue to use it.

 

I am able to de-select the rear surrounds for Dolby HD MSTR and DTS HD MSTR cinema recordings by pressing and holding the Movie button, so I'm not sure what others are experiencing.

 

As I posted earlier, the only (minor) annoyance with the 4520 is that it defaults to PLIIx when you select Dolby Pro Logic for music sources, and there is no easy way to de-select the rear surrounds.

I've been reviewing the 4311 and 4520 manuals and have a question about how Denon handle listening modes like this. Is there an option in the menu where you can predetermine the type of processing applied to each signal type per input? It seems like the way to do this is via the Movie and Music buttons on the remote, but is there a way to review these settings somewhere?

I've only owned Onkyo receivers in the past, a TX-DS898 and TX-SR805, and I really like how Onkyo handle this. I can see the entire list of possible input signal types on a particular input and preset the processing applied to each type. On the Denon, it appears that the user can only see and make changes to these options when the particular input signal is detected. Am I missing something?

Thanks.

Thanks for the explanations, not being able to default to stereo would not have made sense.

feature of the DTS-HD/MA decoder (ie on all AV receivers) ? are you sure ?

certainly wasn't the case with DTS /DTS core

again - not sure its an issue anyway - as surely on the Denon if you have 7.1 speakers, you can set all DTS-HD 5.1 content to DTS-MA + PLIIx ? can you not ?

This business of expanding 5.1 to 7.1 is generally limited to DTS-HD Master Audio Essential decoders, a version found on many players, but not on receivers. Fully functional DTS decoders do not have that "feature". However, it appears that Denon put that functionality into the decoder on the 4520. I have not seen it reported on any other AVR.

Unfortunately, you cannot use PLIIx when the decoder has used channel duplication because the output is already 7.1. Another workaround would be to set the player to do the decoding, provided it does not have an Essential decoder.

oh

are you saying Denon has implemented an idea from the DTS-HD Master Audio Essential to their decoding algorithm ? seems odd decision

I checked manual - and since the Denon decodes DTS-ES - and other legacy DTS extensions - it can't be a DTS-HD Master Audio Essential Decoder - it must be a fully featured decoder

Yes, it is not an Essential decoder. But, it appears to have that one unfortunate feature of such decoders. It is possible that Denon added channel duplication itself after the decoder output.

Thanks for this info.

Hi there,

Yesterday i started a firmware update to the march version.
i did it 2 times before without any problems.

The 10 minutes wait turned out to be much longer.
After 2 hours looking at updating main, over and over again, i went to bed.
(i don't know if it tried to update other modules, i only looked 2-3 times)

Today i found: Updating Fail 14

The only possibility to resume action was to disconnect power.
After connecting i am greeted with "Main Updating 10 min"

The timer goes down, doing several different things and after times it goes up again.
After hours i get an error message and it stops.

So i tried:
1. Hold Info and Back and Switch On (CPU Reset)
2. Hold Up and Down and Switch On (Network Reset)
3. insert an prepared USB stick with the firmware update and Hold Status and Option and Switch On

Nothing of these tries affects my AVR.
After long pressing On/Off or disconnecting the power cable it get immediately "Main Updating 10 min"

Is there any possibility to break this cycle to trigger an USB firmware update?

thank you in advance,
Thomas

I have both a Roku box and a BD player that I use to watch movies and listen to music from my media server. On the 3311 all I do is push the stereo button for music or the standard button where it will cycle through the various surround modes available. Does the 4520 have a similar feature?

Where did you download the firmware from? I believe the European Denon web site has that capability but I thought all new Denon US models could only do Web based firmware updates. My 4520 took the last firmware upgrade without issue, but my 2112 refuses to get past Authenticating. So, if I could find a physical firmware file for the 2112 that would be helpful.

Thanks,
Jerry

I downloaded it from the European site, as i have an European Model

Newbie question:

I hooked up my 4520 and attempted to listen to an 11.1 setup without first doing Audyssey measurement (I intend to, but just not right this now). I have my fronts, wides, heights hooked to an external amp, and my surrounds/back to the 4520 speaker terminals. I cannot get a test tone from the pre outs, but do get it from the surrounds and the backs.

I set up custom, manual connections using the set up menu.

Not sure what is going on. When I first hooked it with factory defaults, my fronts worked (LCRs), but nothing else. Now, my surrounds (including rear) work, but nothing else.

I am certain that I am missing something in the setup menu, or missing a step in haste. However, I don't know what I missed.

Thanks

Being able to carry over the "standard" & "stereo" buttons from the 3311 to the 4520 on my Harmony One would be perfect for me.
After looking at your explanations of the new Denon mode selection it's probably all there and will just be a matter of getting used to them I'm sure.