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post #3571 of 4531
3/16/13 at 12:37pm
Hello,

I am struggling to identify which is the right amp assign configuration for my needs. I have an 11 speaker and 1 subwoofer setup which I am trying to configure and want to utilize a pair of speaker outputs on the 4520 to power zone 2. I am hooking up a Emotiva UMP-500 along with the 4520 and currently have my speaker wires connected as follows:

4520
- All fronts - (highs, wides, LRC)

UMP-500
- Side surrounds and rear surrounds (4 dipoles in total)

When I scroll through the amp assign setup options, I don't see an option which has all 11 channels setup with a zone 2 config.

I am sure that I am missing or misunderstood something something somewhere which is why I am asking for some help.

Thanks,
T.Wells
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post #3572 of 4531
3/16/13 at 1:53pm
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Originally Posted by tmuthmann View Post

Hi there,

Yesterday i started a firmware update to the march version.
i did it 2 times before without any problems.

The 10 minutes wait turned out to be much longer.
After 2 hours looking at updating main, over and over again, i went to bed.
(i don't know if it tried to update other modules, i only looked 2-3 times)

Today i found: Updating Fail 14

The only possibility to resume action was to disconnect power.
After connecting i am greeted with "Main Updating 10 min"

The timer goes down, doing several different things and after times it goes up again.
After hours i get an error message and it stops.

So i tried:
1. Hold Info and Back and Switch On (CPU Reset)
2. Hold Up and Down and Switch On (Network Reset)
3. insert an prepared USB stick with the firmware update and Hold Status and Option and Switch On

Nothing of these tries affects my AVR.
After long pressing On/Off or disconnecting the power cable it get immediately "Main Updating 10 min"

Is there any possibility to break this cycle to trigger an USB firmware update?

thank you in advance,
Thomas



This is my post from 2 pages back...Look familiar? I shut it down ( or tried to when it went back up to 3 minutes remaining ) Read entire post




Popped up on the TV that a Denon Update was available last night. I went ahead and clicked "Yes install". It posted that it would take 10 minutes. It updated " Main" ,then "Sub" ,then Either". What was odd was, it had counted down to 3 minutes when it started on the "either".It then went to 2 minutes, then 1. But then it jumped back up to 3 and started counting down again.Back down to 1 minute,then back to 3 .It did this 4 or 5 times. I finally tried to shut it off. It would not shut off, but on the next "cycle" it started scrolling Stars instead of Arrows.It then came up "update installed" and powered itself down. All seems well. Anybody know what the latest updated software did.I know I now have color equalizer readouts on the audicy even though I'm not using them. I don't think they were there before.
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post #3573 of 4531
3/16/13 at 2:53pm
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Originally Posted by markabuckley View Post

can you not set DPLIIx for matrix-ing rears when playing back 5.1 DTS-HD ?

I thought you could on the 4311 ? sound a lot better tan just copying the surround signal

Yes, you most definitely can apply DPLIIx on top of DTS-HD MA 5.1 or listen to DTS-HD MA 5.1 as 5.1 in a 7.1 setup - this isn't an issue.
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post #3574 of 4531
3/16/13 at 4:00pm
^^This is a discussion started by people who are getting a 7.1 output from 5.1 dts-MA tracks.
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post #3575 of 4531
3/16/13 at 5:13pm
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Originally Posted by BIslander View Post

^^This is a discussion started by people who are getting a 7.1 output from 5.1 dts-MA tracks.

I don't understand why some believe there is an issue. There is no limitation on the unit that prevents you from listening to 5.1 dts-ma tracks as 5.1 - I know I have no issue doing so in my 7.1 setup. I also don't have any issue applying DPLIIx on top of 5.1 DTS-MA tracks.

Is it possible that those who are having these issues are decoding in their players (some of which do decode 5.1 dts-ma to 7.1 by duplicating the surrounds) and passing along PCM to the Denon?
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post #3576 of 4531
3/16/13 at 5:53pm
Start reading at post #3533.
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post #3577 of 4531
3/16/13 at 6:15pm
if you set Surround back to OFF, it won't default to 7.1, or you may select PLIIx C, or other surround format
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post #3578 of 4531
3/16/13 at 6:49pm
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Originally Posted by SoundofMind View Post

Just an FYI, there is no need, and usually nothing to be gained from using your meter to override Autosetup/Audyssey mic ch trims.

Thanks, I used the SPL meter to measure the levels and found the fronts were quite loud, whilst one surround and sub were very low. Perhaps I should revert to the settings and listen in 'real world' scenarios?
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post #3579 of 4531
3/16/13 at 8:40pm
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Originally Posted by SergeantYnot View Post

Talked with Mike again today; he said out of the 20 he has sold, 3 have been replaced. Does 15% failure rate from that batch seem abnormal?

Well that makes me on of the 17 happy campers then. I have had the 4520 for 2.5 months. Seems flawless to me at this point. Sounds great, great video, and runs very cool compared to my old Onkyo did...All my firmwares have updated successfully without incident. smile.gif
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post #3580 of 4531
3/17/13 at 4:03am
So was a few people are saying is it normal to input a 5.1 disc and have the receiver outputting the 5.1 to 7.1 there must be a way to turn this off with out truing the speakers off in the setup.
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post #3581 of 4531
3/17/13 at 6:06am
My patience is growing thin with this model. I am going to call Denon and request a 4th, you heard me, 4th 4520 replacement. Let me explain what happened this weekend that is NOT acceptable for their current top of the line AV receiver.

  • Locked up 5 times requiring power disconnect
  • Lost audio and video output over HDMI several times requiring power disconnect to resolve. Input source varied from Blu-ray, to Dish, to popcorn hour, so I doubt it's my source
  • For no reason what so ever it would go into Audessey Calibration mode and lock up (no, the mic is not hooked up). Once I pulled the power ALL my settings were lost, and the receiver reverted back to factory defaults
  • It seems to lock up when I am streaming music to zone 2, then using the IOS app to control the receivers volume or change sources for playback to zone 2
  • Audio leak into mains from zone 2, as I mentioned earlier in this thread.

So, I now have a flakey 4520 and a 2112 that refuses to take a firmware upgrade, but a solid 4306. I honestly think these newer models have suffered in quality and design and am sorely disappointed in Denon.

Jerry

Oh, and I wanted to add that my first 4520 did not exhibit any of these problems, it just decided to reboot continuously after 2 weeks of ownership,
Edited by Jerry Incollingo - 3/17/13 at 6:16am
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post #3582 of 4531
3/17/13 at 6:35am
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

Please clarify, are you talking about a music disk or a movie disk?

For either a 5.1 or a 7.1 Dolby HD MSTR or DTS HD MSTR movie disk, simply pressing and holding the Movie button on the remote allows you to chose an audio mode that turns off the rear surround speakers.

if you are talking about a music disk that is playing in PLIIz mode, you are correct, there is no simple way to turn off the matrixed rear surrounds.  If you insist on turning them off, you can access the Speakers menu and de-select the rear surrounds.  This is not optimal, but evidently Denon engineers have decided that if you have rear surrounds, you must want them playing all the time for the music modes.  This "feature" has been discussed a number of times.

would you be so kind as to point me to some of the thread(s) where this has been discussed?
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post #3583 of 4531
3/17/13 at 7:00am
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Originally Posted by Was_There_Then View Post

Thanks, I used the SPL meter to measure the levels and found the fronts were quite loud, whilst one surround and sub were very low. Perhaps I should revert to the settings and listen in 'real world' scenarios?
Yes, I recommend that you do that. The internal test tones do not have Audyssey applied.
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post #3584 of 4531
3/17/13 at 7:28am
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Originally Posted by Jerry Incollingo View Post

My patience is growing thin with this model. I am going to call Denon and request a 4th, you heard me, 4th 4520 replacement. Let me explain what happened this weekend that is NOT acceptable for their current top of the line AV receiver.,

Not to poke fun at your issue, but I guess these units will eventually make their way to Accessories4less' refurb inventory. biggrin.gif
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post #3585 of 4531
3/17/13 at 7:35am
They already have but the price is very close to the AVS price and the warrantee is less.
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post #3586 of 4531
3/17/13 at 7:42am
I guess I'm also one of the 17 happy campers here too. And I believe I'm one of the first who received this AVR from Mike. It's been running flawlessly for the past 3+ months now. (knock wood......) cool.gif
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post #3587 of 4531
3/17/13 at 3:17pm
How do you reset the listening mode to what the Denon would have automatically selected? So far I've been going into the menu, information, finding the audio input type, then changing the mode to match it - but I've read elsewhere about a 'std' button that used to exist to do this automatically. I haven't found this on my 4520 remote, so I must be missing something. Thank you, my Google searches have failed me on this one, unfortunately.
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post #3588 of 4531
3/17/13 at 5:31pm
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Originally Posted by bird man View Post


Thanks for responding Jigesh!!
My Dynamic EQ , Pure Direct functions are off.
The tone function affecting only the FL and FR speakers occurs under all modes (multi-channel,Dolby Digital, All MUSIC MODES).
This is a second unit already and the first one did the same thing.
Seems to me the tone control should affect all channels, it is what a user would expect.
I would like to know if any other owners have the same experience or not.

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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

I have to admit, this is one of the more obscure requests I have encountered.  It took me a few minutes to think of how to test this out.  Here is what I did:

- Selected a bandwidth-limited pink noise test from the DVE Blu-ray.
- Set the output mode to 5-channel stereo
- Turned off DEQ so that the tone control option was enabled
- Turned on the tone control option
- Powered off my XPA-3 so that the front channels were not playing
- Listened to the pink noise from the surround channels
- Adjusted the bass and treble controls from -6 to +6

Result:  the tone controls had no effect on the surround channels.

Just to be sure, I turned the XPA-3 back on, changed the output mode to stereo, and adjusted the tone controls while listening to the front channels only.

Result:  the tone controls indeed had an effect.

So, now that I have demonstrated that this is how the 4520 works, what will you do with this information?  I don't think the 4520 is defective.  I honestly can't think of any scenario in which I would turn DEQ off and use the tone control to adjust the sound of the surround channels.  Perhaps you could share an example in which this might be important to you?

AustinJerry,

Thank you for checking this out.
I have pretty much accepted it and am using the equalizer to adjust.
Thing is, it is an adjustment on my part cuz I have a 5308ci and ALL the channels are adjusted when I modify through the tone controls.

max
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post #3589 of 4531
3/17/13 at 5:45pm
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Originally Posted by jigesh View Post

It looks like your unit performs in a similar way other units out there perform based on AustinJerry's testing. If you want, you may do a a testing with source that has 5.1 audio channels recorded on it (say, a DVD-A with DTS track being played).
Most users would be using, if at all, tone control in the front channels; perhaps this user wants to have more manual (not equalized) control on other speakers or is just curious. I don't use these controls myself and am not sure if any other home theatre receiver with some sort of audio equalization features would allow tone control in surround channels though based on a similar discussion here, it appears Onkyo's selected models allow this, for example, see paragraph just above "Setup" section here in TX-SR875 review.

Jigesh,

I did go so far as to get a replacement unit from Denon thinking something was wrong.
When I phoned Denon they did not have a good response for me either.
They seemed to agree that it was not normal.
However, the replacement unit did the same thing so I just accepted it as the way it is.
Other than that, I have been very happy with the unit.
I have not even ran the Audyssey yet.

max
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post #3590 of 4531
3/17/13 at 5:51pm
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Originally Posted by ormandj View Post

How do you reset the listening mode to what the Denon would have automatically selected? So far I've been going into the menu, information, finding the audio input type, then changing the mode to match it - but I've read elsewhere about a 'std' button that used to exist to do this automatically. I haven't found this on my 4520 remote, so I must be missing something. Thank you, my Google searches have failed me on this one, unfortunately.

The 5308ci had a "standard" selectable setting that when chosen the receiver would switch surround/speakers based on the input signal.
The 4520ci does not have this "standard" setting to be selected but it does switch surrounds/speakers automatically.
Whenever I input a DTS, Dolby, stereo or multichannel the receiver does switch automatically without my intervention.
I have checked to confirm with "info" button on the remote.
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post #3591 of 4531
3/17/13 at 6:51pm
The 7.1 dts thing needs to be fixed !
You can turn on dolby or dolby ex in settings
With the sound toggle button
Why not with Dts to Dts es ,
Choose 5.1 or 7.1
Not default to Dts 7.1
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post #3592 of 4531
3/17/13 at 6:51pm
The 7.1 dts thing needs to be fixed !
You can turn on dolby or dolby ex in settings
With the sound toggle button
Why not with Dts to Dts es ,
Choose 5.1 or 7.1
Not default to Dts 7.1
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post #3593 of 4531
3/17/13 at 9:00pm
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Originally Posted by howard68 View Post

The 7.1 dts thing needs to be fixed !
You can turn on dolby or dolby ex in settings
With the sound toggle button
Why not with Dts to Dts es ,
Choose 5.1 or 7.1
Not default to Dts 7.1

 

I agree that it is peculiar that the surround back speakers cannot be easily turned off when viewing a DTS 5.1 source, I still do not understand why you consider this to be a big issue.   Can you share with us how this is detracting from your enjoyment of DTS content?

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post #3594 of 4531
3/17/13 at 9:02pm
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Originally Posted by bird man View Post

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Originally Posted by ormandj View Post

How do you reset the listening mode to what the Denon would have automatically selected? So far I've been going into the menu, information, finding the audio input type, then changing the mode to match it - but I've read elsewhere about a 'std' button that used to exist to do this automatically. I haven't found this on my 4520 remote, so I must be missing something. Thank you, my Google searches have failed me on this one, unfortunately.

The 5308ci had a "standard" selectable setting that when chosen the receiver would switch surround/speakers based on the input signal.
The 4520ci does not have this "standard" setting to be selected but it does switch surrounds/speakers automatically.
Whenever I input a DTS, Dolby, stereo or multichannel the receiver does switch automatically without my intervention.
I have checked to confirm with "info" button on the remote.

The problem I encounter is once you have made a change with a source it persists. From time to time I choose a different setting based on material but would like to revert it easily for other material on the same source. Guess I'll be using the manual method.
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post #3595 of 4531
3/17/13 at 9:03pm
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Originally Posted by bird man View Post


Jigesh,

I did go so far as to get a replacement unit from Denon thinking something was wrong.
When I phoned Denon they did not have a good response for me either.
They seemed to agree that it was not normal.
However, the replacement unit did the same thing so I just accepted it as the way it is.
Other than that, I have been very happy with the unit.
I have not even ran the Audyssey yet.

max

 

Really, you are complaining that the tone controls don't work on the surround channels and you haven't even run Audyssey yet?  confused.gif

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post #3596 of 4531
3/17/13 at 9:09pm
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Originally Posted by ormandj View Post


The problem I encounter is once you have made a change with a source it persists. From time to time I choose a different setting based on material but would like to revert it easily for other material on the same source. Guess I'll be using the manual method.

 

Well, whether it persists, or whether it reverts to some "default" setting, is a design choice.  I would much prefer the AVR retain the mode I choose.  

 

Have you considered using the Quick Select function?  This would allow you to memorize a default mode for a particular input so that whenever you return to that input using a Quick Select button, the default mode would be automatically set.

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post #3597 of 4531
3/17/13 at 10:12pm
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

I agree that it is peculiar that the surround back speakers cannot be easily turned off when viewing a DTS 5.1 source, I still do not understand why you consider this to be a big issue.   Can you share with us how this is detracting from your enjoyment of DTS content?
+1
Am using DTS Neo X with matrixed rears... very happy with it.
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post #3598 of 4531
3/18/13 at 3:22am
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Have you considered using the Quick Select function? This would allow you to memorize a default mode for a particular input so that whenever you return to that input using a Quick Select button, the default mode would be automatically set.

That's probably a good work around but when you have a source on the input such as Roku where the content has both music and movies it might not be quite as simple as having the standard button. I was told that if I leave the 3311 in my Harnony database that the old stereo and standard buttons will work on the 4520?
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post #3599 of 4531
3/18/13 at 4:52am
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Originally Posted by SergeantYnot View Post

Not to poke fun at your issue, but I guess these units will eventually make their way to Accessories4less' refurb inventory. biggrin.gif

A4L seems to ample inventory of 4520 refurbs...so this would suggest this situation is not uncommon



Warren
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post #3600 of 4531
3/18/13 at 5:43am
http://www.whathifi.com/review/denon-avr-4520
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For

Thorough connectivity
4K upscaling
AirPlay
DLNA
Spotify
Solid, cohesive sound

Against

Rivals sound bigger
Could do with more attack and excitement


A little surprised about this... I felt the 4520 had more 'attack' than I wanted...
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