Originally Posted by ccotenj
well, the "build quality" of my first pc (an ibm pc at) was amazing too, but i wouldn't want to try to use one today...
same for my first sony bdp-1...
also, the "build quality" of my current unit doesn't suck... it shows no signs of falling apart, and since i don't plan on using it as a boat anchor anytime soon, weight (which too many incorrectly see as "build quality") isn't relevant... i DO have an old denon 5800 kicking around that would make a fine anchor though...
had separates... been there, done that... given you generally pay significantly more for a pre-pro with the same features as an avr, i don't see the "value" there... not really sure why they are "infinitely more flexible" either...
does that mean that your first PC performs in much the same fashion as the one you have today?
I am not sure what your point was there in that apples and oranges comparison
I have an old Pioneer VSX47 that is the most musical receiver I have heard...impeccable build quality and the ability to drive 4ohm speakers to ear spitting levels. The same speakers( Vienna Acoustics) that made a Denon 4310 clip and shut off..... right before I boxed it up and sold it on Ebay
No HDMI on the Pioneer....but just for music and other optical/coax formats..its a great piece..IMO
as for paying more for separates?..not really
I have had mix of Rotel , Harman Karon and now a Sherbourn amps for the past 5 years
Four different preamps over the last 12 years
Based on my current Sherbourn amp...5/1500 A with a true 200x5 all channels driven...it was much less expensive for me to switch out preamps as technology changed than try to find a receiver with the kind of power reserves I like
Well..if one even exists today...is their a receiver with 200x5 all channels driven?...heck is there even one that will do 100x5 ( all channels driven) these days?
I paid less for all three preamps( individually) than the cost of the 4520. In fact I paid just a little more for the latest preamp. an .Onkyo 5508 than the closeout 4311 models are going for now
Generally speaking I have never seen a case where the units dont get heavier as you go up a manufacturers product line
But...like you say this could mean nothing
I guess the general "consensus" is that a higher end unit with amplifier would have a better and more robust power supply contributing to a higher weight
But I dont work for any of the manufacturers and clearly cant call that with 100% certainty
I do know that according to Sherboun the reason my amp weighs 80lbs is because it has 5 individual power supplies and individual transformers for each of its 5 channels
does that do anything other than add weight and expense?
I dont know
But it was a moot point as the amp was affordable and I liked its power and sound vs the Rotel and B&K Reference units I was cross shopping at the time
WarrenEdited by turnne1 - 10/22/12 at 9:11pm