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post #4891 of 7662
I think now that it is here, any Receiver or Pre that I purchase will have to have this LFC feature for use in Condo's systems. Hopefully other manufacturers will adopt this feature soon or I will only have the option of a couple of D&M models.

Chucka
post #4892 of 7662
I was playing a CD. I switched from "Music" mode to "Pure". The subwoofer goes off in pure mode. Why is that?
post #4893 of 7662
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Originally Posted by mhrischuk View Post

The subwoofer goes off in pure mode.

Subwoofers are impure.
post #4894 of 7662
Thread Starter 
Direct modes disable bass management. 2 channels in, 2 channels out. Bass management requires signal processing to filter the signal, which is antithetical to "direct" modes.

The only way the sub can play in a Direct mode is if you allow "double bass" by turning on the LFE+MAIN setting for the subwoofer. Then the signal is copied to the subwoofer output (but the main speakers still receive a full range signal).
post #4895 of 7662
Re: LFC

As a reminder, Audyssey setup must have been run in order to use LFC and also note that LFC will still work for 2CH music listening when not using the subwoofer.
post #4896 of 7662
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Direct modes disable bass management. 2 channels in, 2 channels out. Bass management requires signal processing to filter the signal, which is antithetical to "direct" modes.

The only way the sub can play in a Direct mode is if you allow "double bass" by turning on the LFE+MAIN setting for the subwoofer. Then the signal is copied to the subwoofer output (but the main speakers still receive a full range signal).

Thank you.... still learning some of this stuff as you can see.
Edited by mhrischuk - 6/23/13 at 6:06am
post #4897 of 7662
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

If you are purchasing outside of the USA, then 220v units are more readily available, otherwise if inside the USA, give 220-Electronics a call, as they have the 4311CI available but don't have the 4520CI listed on their website, so you may be able to get them to make the alteration given enough advance notice.
http://www.220-electronics.com/denon-avr-4520-denon-avr-4520ci-av-receiver.html
post #4898 of 7662

At USD 2399, that's not cheap.
post #4899 of 7662

Right ... I called them to let them know it wasn't on their website so it was added. wink.gif

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Originally Posted by petetherock View Post

At USD 2399, that's not cheap.

At $100 < MSRP that's actually a very good price considering that most 4520 owners likely pay full MSRP for a standard 120V model.
post #4900 of 7662
If you are looking at paying MSRP, or that close to it, I would encourage you to give Craig at AVScience a call and see what their pricing on the 4520 is. Just a hint. biggrin.gif
post #4901 of 7662
Thanks for the plug - I'm just a retired construction estimator trying to save you guys some money while earning a little home theater upgrade dough! smile.gif

My Martin Logan Motion 4 speakers arrive today, which are going to be installed for height channel speakers. And I picked up an Emotiva XPA - 200 two channel amp on sale, so I am about to explore the new frontier of 11 channel surround sound with my 4520 ! cool.gif

I can't wait !! Got a line up of loud action test Blu Rays to try !! smile.gif
post #4902 of 7662
You're killing me Craig. I just got to 9.2, and now you are making me want to start stalking Ebay for a pair of Linn Katan's and an Emotiva XPA-5 for full 11.2.

That brings up an interesting question in my mind. If I want to bi-amp, can I use the internal channels on the Denon for 1 side and an external amp for the other? I have enough cable to pull this off for my front, center and wides (I just ran extra cable when I was in the walls), but I am really torn on whether or not I will ever really see a benefit. Not to mention the fact that the Denon seems to be VERY capable of pushing my Linn speakers, so my desire for another external emp is diminished.
post #4903 of 7662
Read the last couple of pages of the 4311 thread for comments on the value of bi-amping.
post #4904 of 7662
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Originally Posted by Craig Peer View Post

Thanks for the plug - I'm just a retired construction estimator trying to save you guys some money while earning a little home theater upgrade dough! smile.gif

My Martin Logan Motion 4 speakers arrive today, which are going to be installed for height channel speakers. And I picked up an Emotiva XPA - 200 two channel amp on sale, so I am about to explore the new frontier of 11 channel surround sound with my 4520 ! cool.gif

I can't wait !! Got a line up of loud action test Blu Rays to try !! smile.gif


"so I am about to explore the new frontier of 11 channel surround sound with my 4520 ! "

Looking forward to your observations Craig! biggrin.gif


...Glenn smile.gif
post #4905 of 7662
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Not to mention the fact that the Denon seems to be VERY capable of pushing my Linn speakers, so my desire for another external emp is diminished.

Not to mention that my rack space is diminished ! I can't answer the bi amp question - paging Batpig, is there a Batpig in da house?
post #4906 of 7662
I do think I have the perfect room to try this - it's wide, and it's high. Should be perfect for wide and height speakers! smile.gif

Da-Lite HCCV 16:9 screen in front, Stewart ST 130 G3 2.35:1 screen in back.

Oh the wife will be thrilled when she gets back from her business trip next week - more speakers, and I have several cans of flat black paint ready to roll too! rolleyes.gif
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Craig Peer View Post

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Not to mention the fact that the Denon seems to be VERY capable of pushing my Linn speakers, so my desire for another external emp is diminished.

Not to mention that my rack space is diminished ! I can't answer the bi amp question - paging Batpig, is there a Batpig in da house?

This was literally *just* discussed, he can just read back a few posts wink.gif
post #4908 of 7662
Thanks AustinJerry, that article on bi-amping makes a lot of sense. I have always been leery of bi-wiring/bi-amping because it did not really make a lot of sense as to how it was going to provide a tangible benefit, and that article really helped explain it. That said, my Linn speakers do support full Active crossovers, in which case it would make a difference, but in that instance I would actually have to tri-amp them, and I am not in the market for doing that...:-)

On another note, I saw some HDMI conversation in the 4311 thread and so I have a question about how I can distribute a signal. I have an HTPC in my wiring closet that I use for Windows Media Center and XBMC. I also have an HDBase-T splitter from Monoprice. What I would ideally like to do is to use it to distribute audio and video to the other 3 TV's in my house, but still be able to have my hi resolution audio for movies and such. This was my thought, please check me...

HTPC - 4520 via HDMI - Monitor 1 to projector and Monitor 2 to splitter

If I do this, then when I want to send the signal out to the other areas I could simply switch my HDMI Monitor out from Monitor 1 to Both.

Would this work? Or is there a better way of doing this?
post #4909 of 7662
Thread Starter 
There is a better way -- the HUGE advantage here that differentiates the 4520 over the 4311 is that you have a matrix switch built into the unit for HDMI distribution to other TV's, without affecting the main zone. So you don't use the Monitor 2 out (since it's just a parallel mirror output of Monitor 1), it's the third (Zone4) HDMI output on the back that you want.

So you feed that Zone4 HDMI out to the splitter, and then on to the other 3 TV's, and you can do whatever you want in the main zone and feed a different (or the same) source out to the other TV's. Note however that if the same source is used for main zone and Zone 4 matrix output, the HDMI audio will be limited by the capabilities of the TV so the source will probably default to stereo output.
post #4910 of 7662
Just ordered a re-furbished unit direct from Denon.
I couldn't pass up the price.

Can anyone tell me what I should be looking out for when I begin setting it up that is out of the ordinary?
Or is it just a standard straight-up setup?

Will be using an Oppo 95 and a DirecTV DVR with it.
post #4911 of 7662
Thread Starter 
What do you mean by "out of the ordinary"? Are you talking about bugs? Or specific setup tips? What to look out for depends on how much experience you have with modern receivers; if you get the gist of most of the current tech, the setup is very straightforward and you can use the Setup Wizard to walk you through the initial basics of speaker / component hook-up.

Other than hooking up the speakers and sources then it's mostly just about running Audyssey, in which case (if you haven't ever used it before) you should read up and follow guidelines from one of the many resources I have collected here: http://batpigworld.com/wp/?page_id=37

After running Audyssey there are tweaks to be made (adjusting crossovers and speaker size if necessary, tweaking Audyssey settings like Dynamic Volume and Ref Level Offset for each input) but basically it boils down to: (1) hook stuff up, (2) run Audyssey, (3) enjoy!
post #4912 of 7662
Batpig, thanks for the tip, I had read the section on zone 4 in the manual, but it was pretty poorly written and did not make a lot of sense to me. So if I go this route then all I have to do is turn zone 4 off in order to get my surround sound for movies, then I turn it on when want to distribute the video and it will drop down to stereo, or whatever the least common denominator is.

Have I got that right?
post #4913 of 7662
Thread Starter 
Mostly -- just to be clear though, the "least common denominator" restriction for Zone4 HDMI output only applies when the SAME source is selected in both main zone and the other HDMI sinks in Zone 4. If a different source is selected in each zone, then each source only sees the EDID info from the connected HDMI sink so there will be no restriction.
post #4914 of 7662
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

After running Audyssey there are tweaks to be made (adjusting crossovers and speaker size if necessary, tweaking Audyssey settings like Dynamic Volume and Ref Level Offset for each input) but basically it boils down to: (1) hook stuff up, (2) run Audyssey, (3) enjoy!
Great, thanx for the info.
post #4915 of 7662
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

Just ordered a re-furbished unit direct from Denon.
I couldn't pass up the price.

Can anyone tell me what I should be looking out for when I begin setting it up that is out of the ordinary?
Or is it just a standard straight-up setup?

Will be using an Oppo 95 and a DirecTV DVR with it.

After receiving an other than new unit, the first thing to do is to reset the microprocessor (p. 201 OM) to ensure all settings are reset to their factory defaults.
post #4916 of 7662
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Originally Posted by flint350 View Post


Quick select could also be programmed on the 4 macro buttons on the Denon remote.  The auto-macro feature is already partly set this way IIRC (movie, music, bluray).

Can anyone help me program my remote so I can use the Quick Select buttons? I just received the unit and the manual is a bit hard to follow... I just want my Quick Select buttons back that older Denons had.
post #4917 of 7662
I tried searching but without success.

What's the Analog Device 12-bit -ADV8003 like on the 4520. Specifically I'm looking to run an SD satellite paytv signal (Foxtel Australia) through the 4520 and am hoping for an improvement in PQ. Running it through the 3808 makes very little difference.

I currently use an Oppo BDP93 and the dvd upscaling on that is very good, how might the 4520 compare?

Cheers
blairy
post #4918 of 7662
^^
Ideally an owner can address this specifically, however, in general expecting much of an upgrade of SD video quality from any AVR is not a likely scenario, rather you are much better served either paying for HD service or purchasing a dedicated video upscaler (eg. DVDO Edge). Also note the ADV-8003 is used in the 2012 "CI" models and the newer 2013 "X" models as well.
post #4919 of 7662
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

^^
Ideally an owner can address this specifically, however, in general expecting much of an upgrade of SD video quality from any AVR is not a likely scenario, rather you are much better served either paying for HD service or purchasing a dedicated video upscaler (eg. DVDO Edge). Also note the ADV-8003 is used in the 2012 "CI" models and the newer 2013 "X" models as well.

 

I have found, as you suggest, that my DVDO Edge is the best way to upscale SD. Not only is the chip perhaps better, but there are just so many, more sophisticated adjustments possible. On most SD content the result is very good indeed, up to 65 inch (diagonal) image size.

post #4920 of 7662
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Originally Posted by blairy View Post

...Specifically I'm looking to run an SD satellite paytv signal (Foxtel Australia) through the 4520 and am hoping for an improvement in PQ. Running it through the 3808 makes very little difference.
I currently use an Oppo BDP93 and the dvd upscaling on that is very good, how might the 4520 compare?...
I agree with jd, by far the best $ I spend on entertainment every month is whatever it costs me additional for HD service and a HDDVR! Audio and video both are nicely enhanced over SD.

For SD content here's another idea. AFAIK the newer Oppo 103 has a digital input allowing signals, like from your current sat box, to be run through its internal processing. If interested, check into it on the Oppo thread.
Edited by SoundofMind - 6/22/13 at 6:54am
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