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Anyway, my problems seem to be solved, and no, nobody is going to take the coffee table away - where the Hell would we put the wine glasses ??

Down here in Texas, we simply hold the bottle in our hands and take a swig from time to time. No damn coffee tables for us...
post #5072 of 7830
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Hate to break it to you Craig, but if you have Dynamic Volume on then you ALSO have Dynamic EQ on wink.gif Dynamic Volume layers on top of Dyn EQ.

BP, this is what I thought as well. However, on my 4520, I just checked it out. Dynamic Volume can be engaged with DEQ off! This was a surprise to me. Did Denon change something?

Can another 4520 owner confirm this?

How is this even possible? In the Audyssey menu, Dynamic Volume is grayed out if Dynamic EQ isn't ON.
post #5073 of 7830
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How is this even possible? In the Audyssey menu, Dynamic Volume is grayed out if Dynamic EQ isn't ON.

 

Don't know.  Don't you have one of the new 4000's?  Is the 4520 different?

 

 

post #5074 of 7830
Is there a setting for front display to be switched off when amp is turned off, that is, the display panel will be blank as is the case with my 3808 when switched off?
Currently the amp displays when swiched off - 'main zone off' and the 'green' standby light is lit. Haven't noticed this beforehand and wondering if the amp is correctly set up.
I have HDMI control off and pass through on and network switch is set to always on.
Thanks in advance.
post #5075 of 7830
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Is there a setting for front display to be switched off when amp is turned off, that is, the display panel will be blank as is the case with my 3808 when switched off?
Currently the amp displays when swiched off - 'main zone off' and the 'green' standby light is lit. Haven't noticed this beforehand and wondering if the amp is correctly set up.
I have HDMI control off and pass through on and network switch is set to always on.
Thanks in advance.

 

Sounds like you still have one of the other zones powered on.  Cycle through the zones and make sure all are off.  Then you should get a red ring.

post #5076 of 7830
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Sounds like you still have one of the other zones powered on.  Cycle through the zones and make sure all are off.  Then you should get a red ring.
Thanks AustinJerry..sounds like that could be the reason as I was toggling through the zones a few days ago and will check all zones are off.
post #5077 of 7830
New to Audyssey.

I ran the routine. Then it asks for another seating position and so on. I find no information in the manual that tells me what multiple seating positions do.
post #5078 of 7830
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BP, this is what I thought as well. However, on my 4520, I just checked it out. Dynamic Volume can be engaged with DEQ off! This was a surprise to me. Did Denon change something?

Can another 4520 owner confirm this?

Thanks Jerry - I didn't think I was losing my mind ( you never know though... eek.gif ). In my theater, it sounds the best with Dynamic Volumn on light, Dynamic EQ off ).
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Fair enough. If you are happy with the present solution then there is no more to be said. There's a good chance the coffee table is causing the speech intelligibility problem though.

Could be, but personally, I don't find the dialog mix to be the same even on my flat panel TV from show to show. It could that my wife is right and I'm losing my hearing. eek.gif

Thing is, when watching movies at " reference level " with 10.1 other speakers going ( previously 6.1 other speakers ), everything is fine. But rarely does my wife and many of our guests want to have reference level sound during war / action / sci fi movies. It's damn loud . Less than reference = hard ( sometimes ) to hear dialog. I'm not including front channel only movies like Juno or talkie chick flicks. Only movies where I have uncountable surround speakers cranking away with bomb blasts and machine gun fire. Anyway, the new Audyssey XT32 and some of the settings on the 4520 may be responsible for saving my marriage ( or at least saving me from dirty looks from my wife as she inserts ear plugs in her ears ). YMMV. smile.gif
post #5079 of 7830
Did I answer my own question?......

http://www.audyssey.com/audio-technology/multeq/how-to
post #5080 of 7830
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New to Audyssey.

I ran the routine. Then it asks for another seating position and so on. I find no information in the manual that tells me what multiple seating positions do.

See section D, "Mic and Mic placement issues" in the Audyssey FAQ that has been created by helpful AVS members; link at end of this post. In particular "d)2. Do I really need to use all the available Audyssey mic positions?" and "d)3. Where should I position the mic for best results?". And don't miss "d)1. Do I really need to put the Audyssey mic on a tripod or stand?"

http://www.avsforum.com/t/795421/official-audyssey-thread-faq-in-post-1/51750#user_D
post #5081 of 7830
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New to Audyssey.

I ran the routine. Then it asks for another seating position and so on. I find no information in the manual that tells me what multiple seating positions do.

Providing more data points allows Audyssey to produce better results, so ideally you want to run all 8 mic positions (1st one at the main listening position and the remaining 7 within a 2-3' radius around that #1 mic position). Refer the the Audyssey 101/FAQ Guide linked in my sig for more information.
post #5082 of 7830
So why no info on this in the Denon manual?
post #5083 of 7830
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

@Glenn,

Is that your room in the picture in Keith's post above?  If yes, is that your center channel speaker mounted high on the front wall?  I would certainly experiment with center channel placement in an effort to improve dialog intelligibility.  There are some nice center channel speaker stands that would allow the speaker to be lower, and further away from the wall.  Just a suggestion, and easy to experiment without spending any money.


I didn't do it... I didn't do it... I didn't do it I tell ya!!! tongue.gif

Nah, that's Craig's room!


...Glenn smile.gif
post #5084 of 7830
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Originally Posted by mhrischuk View Post

So why no info on this in the Denon manual?

Seems pretty clear on p. 33 ....

post #5085 of 7830
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

BP, this is what I thought as well. However, on my 4520, I just checked it out. Dynamic Volume can be engaged with DEQ off! This was a surprise to me. Did Denon change something?

Can another 4520 owner confirm this?

Come on, guys, can someone else test and confirm?

BP or JD?
post #5086 of 7830
Would if I could, but no 4520CI and actually no setup at all as in transition from Atlanta to Orlando. frown.gif
post #5087 of 7830
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Seems pretty clear on p. 33 ....


Thanks, I missed that.

This sometimes happens with digital as opposed to printed manual. I kept getting referred to page 125 and I guess I gave up too soon.


Edited by mhrischuk - 7/9/13 at 3:36am
post #5088 of 7830
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Jerry, you just blew my mind. I can't test until the 2 yr old batpiglet is in bed but I certainly will check on my X4000.

Can you hear an audible difference? Maybe it's jut a GUI glitch?
post #5089 of 7830
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Come on, guys, can someone else test and confirm?

Just did and yes, you can have either or turned on. Turning off DynEq does not exclude you from turning on DynVol.
post #5090 of 7830
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Jerry, you just blew my mind. I can't test until the 2 yr old batpiglet is in bed but I certainly will check on my X4000.

Can you hear an audible difference? Maybe it's jut a GUI glitch?

I have waited for several years for an opportunity to blow your mind, BP, and it gives me great satisfaction! biggrin.gif

Yes, AFAICT it is not a GUI glitch. It's such a surprise...
post #5091 of 7830
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Just did and yes, you can have either or turned on. Turning off DynEq does not exclude you from turning on DynVol.

Thanks for confirming, Doug. I thought I had entered Bizarro World for sure.
post #5092 of 7830
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Thanks for confirming, Doug. I thought I had entered Bizarro World for sure.

Where does that leave me ? " Help - I'm trapped in a A/V Bizarro World, and I can't get up "........... eek.gif
post #5093 of 7830
FWIW I can confirm that Dynamic Volume can be used with Dynamic EQ off irt the Denon X4000.
Edited by davidbarrickman - 7/8/13 at 10:09pm
post #5094 of 7830
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Zowie. Fully confirmed on my X4000.

It's extremely easy to hear it with 2ch content in multichannel stereo mode. With Dyn EQ engaged the surrounds are really loud, since you are getting full volume FR/FL content combined with the surround boost. So it's unambiguous when Dyn EQ is on vs off. And I could turn Dyn Vol on and off (again with unambiguously obvious effect) without Dyn EQ on.

Wowza. Still personally would never want to use one without the other, but it's definitely now a "feature".
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@BP,

 

I wonder if this is a Denon decision exclusively?  I haven't heard of any Onkyo or Integra owners comment on this.  And what was the basis for the previous restriction of DV only allowed when combined with DEQ?

 

@Keith,

 

Probably deserves a quick check of the wording in the Audyssey FAQ and an update as required?

post #5096 of 7830
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How is this even possible? In the Audyssey menu, Dynamic Volume is grayed out if Dynamic EQ isn't ON.


I thought so too, I could have sworn that last time I looked in that menu DynVol was grayed out when DynEq was turned off. I just checked again and clearly that is NOT the case. Could it be a source dependent relationship or am I just experiencing another brain fart (which are becoming more frequent with each passing year)? I know some features of the menu do change depending on the incoming source.

I personally like DynEq but not DynVol...........................different strokes......................................
post #5097 of 7830
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I thought so too, I could have sworn that last time I looked in that menu DynVol was grayed out when DynEq was turned off. I just checked again and clearly that is NOT the case. Could it be a source dependent relationship or am I just experiencing another brain fart (which are becoming more frequent with each passing year)? I know some features of the menu do change depending on the incoming source.

I personally like DynEq but not DynVol...........................different strokes......................................

With a million and one different speaker / room combinations out there, not every setting is going to work for everybody and every theater. I need to do more testing in my room with the 4520. And I wish I could only sit in the " sweet spot " and watch movies at reference level all the time. But since I can't, I must say that the 4520 has enough options ( even ones that Batpig says I'm not supposed to be able to do smile.gif ) to be able to dial in my theater in such a way that I'm very happy with the results. And that is all that matters.
post #5098 of 7830
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

@BP,

I wonder if this is a Denon decision exclusively?  I haven't heard of any Onkyo or Integra owners comment on this.  And what was the basis for the previous restriction of DV only allowed when combined with DEQ?

I assume that's the way Audyssey dictated that it should be used. Chris always talked about how these two "layer" and work in concert -- since Dyn Vol is constantly adjusting the volume, it works hand-in-hand with Dyn EQ to maintain the tonal balance so the listening experience stays consistent throughout those volume shifts.

Craig -- I would encourage you to continue to understand the function and use of Dynamic EQ because IMHO it really does serve a vital purpose for film soundtracks at sub-reference volumes. And if you are cranking it up loud, then it's not doing much anyway (it gradually turns itself off as the MV approaches 0). If you think its effects are too "aggressive" you can always tone it down with the Ref Level Ofset... and then when you want to watch a movie at lower volumes, it will maintain the tonal balance you have dialed in.
post #5099 of 7830
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

I assume that's the way Audyssey dictated that it should be used. Chris always talked about how these two "layer" and work in concert -- since Dyn Vol is constantly adjusting the volume, it works hand-in-hand with Dyn EQ to maintain the tonal balance so the listening experience stays consistent throughout those volume shifts.

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Perhaps someone who frequents Facebook could ask Chris whether this represents a change in philosophy by Audyssey, or whether the AVR manufacturer has implemented a change without Audyssey's knowledge or blessing. Worth a try?
post #5100 of 7830
Quick question; how long during the firmware update process does it take to "authenticate"? Seems to be stuck authenticating for a long time. Thanks!

Mike
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