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post #5161 of 7857
I hope that the people at Denon Technical staff are reading this. Maybe this can be fixed in a future firmware release.
post #5162 of 7857
Much better to give Denon USA or your local regional rep a call to identify the problem and resolution to them as well. smile.gif
post #5163 of 7857

If I understand it, the OP was experiencing random switches to a different input.  The resolution was to turn off "Network Always On".  Is this correct?

 

I have Network Always On enabled.  Why don't I see the random input switching?  Could there be another root cause, one related to the network, that we really haven't identified?  I ask, because if the network hub is being used for other components, then switching the 4520 to Network off in Standby will interrupt the connection to those other devices.

post #5164 of 7857
In my case, yes smile.gif
post #5165 of 7857
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Originally Posted by Wilford View Post

In my case, yes smile.gif

 

So I ask again, are you sure you aren't masking an underlying problem associated with the network being on?  Or you don't care?

post #5166 of 7857
I've got a 7.1 setup

The only way I can get an HDMI audio source to play in ZONE2 is to also connect the audio RCA to the RCA inputs.
Seems like HDMI will not feed ZONE2.

Spent way too much time today figuring this out.

What am I doing wrong?

I reset the microprocessor.

HDMI inputs as follows:

CAB/SAT as my cable TV box
BluRay Player

Neither will feed audio to ZONE2.

I also have a portable SiriusXM unit that has RCA outs. It was the only source that would play in ZONE2 so I hooked up the others with RCA and it works.

Am I missing something here? Does the manual tell you to hook up the analogs also for ZONE2 output?
Edited by mhrischuk - 7/21/13 at 4:54pm
post #5167 of 7857
Yup ... the 4520CI cannot do digital to Zone 2, other than using the All Zone Stereo setting to pass the same HDMI source playing in the main zone to Zones 2/3.
post #5168 of 7857
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Yup ... the 4520CI cannot do digital to Zone 2, other than using the All Zone Stereo setting to pass the same HDMI source playing in the main zone to Zones 2/3.

Does it mention that in the manual that in order to play different sources in different zones they must be connected analog also?
post #5169 of 7857
Other zones are limited to analog inputs on almost all receivers.
post #5170 of 7857
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

So I ask again, are you sure you aren't masking an underlying problem associated with the network being on?  Or you don't care?

I have no idea. This is for people with more technical skills to solve.
post #5171 of 7857
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Originally Posted by mhrischuk View Post

Does it mention that in the manual that in order to play different sources in different zones they must be connected analog also?

p. 112 - Zones 2,3 as Zone 4 is HDMI out.

post #5172 of 7857
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

p. 112 - Zones 2,3 as Zone 4 is HDMI out.


Thanks. Guess the manual is pretty thorough after all. I looked for quite a while and never saw that because I was using the internal amps (Speaker Output) which that section did not apply.
post #5173 of 7857
Yeh .. that note should have been placed on both pages ... for when using the speaker posts as well as the pre-outs.
post #5174 of 7857
Zone two works great now. Even with "Custom" amp assign in place.

Under "Assign Mode" CUSTOM

FRONT "NONE"
CENTER "NONE"
SURROUND "Surround"
SURROUND BACK "Surr. Back"
FRONT HEIGHT "ZONE2"

Zone 2 speakers are plugged into the FRONT HEIGHT speaker outputs.
Edited by mhrischuk - 7/22/13 at 4:52am
post #5175 of 7857
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Originally Posted by BIslander View Post

Other zones are limited to analog inputs on almost all receivers.

 

Yep - same with Onkyos for sure. Zones = analogue.

post #5176 of 7857
^ This simply has to change. Thankfully my Denon 4311 and many past and current CI/higher-end Denon models will send digitial inputs to the zones. I think within the next few years most hi-end AVR's will be able to send hdmi audio to the zones and this will be a non issue, which will please a good number who buy these units specifically for multi-zone scenarios.

Heck, I now have THREE devices with NO analog outs and so the only way to use them with this receiver is to track down a not-so-common D to A converter off the internet? Not really an acceptable methodology on a $2,000 "multi-zone" AVR in 2013. I'm still more than miffed that Denon went ahead and castrated their flagship AVR of this ability.

James
Edited by mastermaybe - 7/22/13 at 7:59am
post #5177 of 7857
I actually don't have a big problem with it only because my devices have analog outs and I am sending to indoor outdoor Boston Acoustic speakers in the screen room. No need for super audiophile criticism there.
Just glad I got it to work.

I do agree, it baffled me that with all of the advances they do not simply send the audio, if needed, to the zones. After all, it does eventually become analog prior to getting sent to the speakers, inside the AVR.
post #5178 of 7857
I have an AVR-3808CI and have had no issues with it for several years. A few months ago I upgraded it to an Anthem MRX-700 for my home theater. The Anthem’s sound truly impressed me. The soundstage it created was more immersive than the Denon, and the sound was crisper, more alive. I was more than happy with my purchase and my trusty 3808 was relegated to our living room where it’s appreciated and used every day. However the Anthem has since started acting up and I’m concerned about reliability. Now it’s going to servicing and I’m wondering about getting a new Denon. I first looked at the AVR-3313CI, but with it being replaced by the AVR-X4000, I’ve started wondering about the 4520CI. I want a decent amount of power for my 7.1 set-up, but this beast has a ton of extra features I may simply never use. The price doesn’t bother me at this point. I’m looking for reliability and performance. My Anthem is hurting on reliability, but boy does it sound nice compared to my 3808. So I was wondering if anyone could comment on the sound of this new AVR compared to the older models? Is it the same, warm sound Denon is known for, or have they improved on the making the soundstage more alive?
post #5179 of 7857
I had a 3808, then a 4310, now the 4520. I think it sounds much better than my previous Denons, and of course the Audyssey XT32 could be a big part of that difference. That was before I replaced my speakers with Martin Logan's, and went from 7.1 to an 11.1 set up. smile.gif Even better now.

I've never had a Denon crap out on me either, but I do have a well ventilated A / V cabinet with an open back. Keep your gear cool !!
post #5180 of 7857

^Hi SirJohn

I'd think the biggest change influencing the SQ from the 3808 to newer high-end models is MultEQXT32.  In my experience and that of many others, it is a nice step up from MultEQXT (in your 3808), improving not just bass but clarity and realism overall. 

 

I don't know if you have the 3808 DynamicEQ upgrade, but DEQ found on newer models is a nice SQ feature when listening at less than reference levels.  Also in the newer models, the ability to add DSX speakers enhances the surround experience.

post #5181 of 7857
No, my 3808 does not have the DynamicEQ upgrade. Thanks for your comments Craig and SoundofMind. I just talked to a local dealer I've dealt with for some time. He quoted me an excellent price for this AVR. If Anthem doesn't come through, I may be getting one of these very soon. Oddly enough, this dealer no longer sells Anthem or Paradigm products due to their poor service this past year.

Been reading the manual and have just one question. If I am running a 7.1 set-up and have no need for any zone besides the main one, no bi-amping, or additional speakers in any way, what's the best choice for Amp Assign?
post #5182 of 7857
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Originally Posted by SirJohnFalstaff View Post


Been reading the manual and have just one question. If I am running a 7.1 set-up and have no need for any zone besides the main one, no bi-amping, or additional speakers in any way, what's the best choice for Amp Assign?

Probably the 7.1 + Zone 2 although you may be able to use custom and only have the 7 amps on.
post #5183 of 7857
Quote:
Originally Posted by SirJohnFalstaff View Post

No, my 3808 does not have the DynamicEQ upgrade. Thanks for your comments Craig and SoundofMind. I just talked to a local dealer I've dealt with for some time. He quoted me an excellent price for this AVR. If Anthem doesn't come through, I may be getting one of these very soon. Oddly enough, this dealer no longer sells Anthem or Paradigm products due to their poor service this past year.

Been reading the manual and have just one question. If I am running a 7.1 set-up and have no need for any zone besides the main one, no bi-amping, or additional speakers in any way, what's the best choice for Amp Assign?

The mfr default setting of "7.1 CH + Zone 2".
post #5184 of 7857
I think I'm still breaking in my Martin Logan speakers. That said, watched the awesome Jet Li movie HERO tonite with the sound levels cranked up there a bit - great soundtrack! Sounded so good with these speakers and my 4520 / 11.1 speaker setup. Highly recommended for Asian martial arts movie lovers !! A kick a$$ sound track !! The 4520 and a Emotiva 150 watt / channel 2 channel amp put out way more power than I'll ever need. The sound with this movie was crisp, clear, and at a volumn level of 83.5, about as loud as my loud movie loving friends would ever want.I had to back it off 85 - too loud. It's a very active soundtrack. A perfect test piece. Everything from rain drops to armies on horseback. So far, I continue to be very pleased with this unit.
post #5185 of 7857

^+1 A great movie and a great soundtrack-highly recommended!
 

post #5186 of 7857
My faithful AVR4308CI was murdered last Thursday by a bolt of lightning. I'll probably be getting a 4520 to replace it. Hopefully today.

Are there any gotcha's I should be aware of?

Thanks,
Mike

P.S. I will be reading this hold topic, but since my computer and networking was also knocked out I'm way behind on everything.
post #5187 of 7857
Only thing that caught me was adding ZONE2 you have to connect analog RCA's to all of your sources. Besides that, setup for me was a no brainer. You can let the setup assistant take you through. Works really well for hooking up components and choosing inputs for you. Just be sure to read each panel completely and do exactly what it says. The diagrams change as you select items and also read the text at the bottom of the screen for just about any selection as it tells you what that selection does.
post #5188 of 7857
Well, I just came back from having my 4520CI ordered. Will hopefully be here next week--just in time for the long weekend.

My Anthem AVR will be shipped off for repair soon. When it gets back, I'll sell it and be done with my quest for a different sound. Should have stayed with Denon from the start. My 3808 has been a great machine, but can't wait to see and hear what the 4520 can do.
post #5189 of 7857
I have a 4520CI arriving today, I'm excited. Going from a Denon 3801, which had great sound, to a Denon 3808 , which had good sound (bass never seemed quite as good as the 3801) now to the 4520. I'll share my opinions.....
post #5190 of 7857
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I have a 4520CI arriving today, I'm excited. Going from a Denon 3801, which had great sound, to a Denon 3808 , which had good sound (bass never seemed quite as good as the 3801) now to the 4520. I'll share my opinions.....

I predict you'll be very happy with this upgrade !! smile.gif
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