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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

I am guessing Jerry was being lighthearted, John, and we are all friends in this thread, regardless of how we choose to use our gear. Heck, I am on leave from the 'enemy' (long-time Onkyo owner, currently using their flagship prepro, the 5509) smile.gif. Drop in here now and then to see what Denon are up to with their great products.

You are right - the source quality can vary so much and is way more influential on final SQ than this DAC or that DAC etc. I don't think my daughters have ever listened to their music on anything better than MP3 via cheap earphones, but they seem happy with it. They love to hear their choice of music played via my own system, but then happily go back to their MP3s. That's the worryung thing I think - an entire generation growing up believing MP3s sound good.
A bunch of us go back a long ways, of course its between friends! I was merely poking AustinJerry back. smile.gif

I also drop into many threads, its not what you own, its if you can help someone maybe.
post #5282 of 7718
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Originally Posted by DougReim View Post

Chris Albert,
I did the exact same thing and after talking with CoolerGuys tech support (very good company BTW) they determined that neither USB port on the 4520 provided enough juice to push their fans. They ended up giving me an AC adaptor to plug the fans into and that works well. CoolerGuys should be familiar with your situation and my guess is that they will give you the adaptor.

Thanks Doug, will fire 'em off an email...also I hadn't found the setting for front/rear USB, I'll have to look again.
post #5283 of 7718
Chris,
I think the setting was under the "General" tab IIRC but it doesn't matter, as neither would power the fans.
post #5284 of 7718

^Hmmm...

My Coolerguys 120x120x25mm USB Fan with Grill

works just fine off either usb port on A100-given that it's connected to the one currently selected

Menu-Source select-Playback Mode-Input Source Net/USB-usb select (front is default)

YMMV (Your Menu May Vary) on the 4520

post #5285 of 7718
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Originally Posted by Chris Albert View Post

...also I hadn't found the setting for front/rear USB, I'll have to look again.


Select the iPod/USB input, then hit the Option button on the remote, then select USB Select.

Been running this Coolerguys exhaust fan for about 9 months off of the rear USB port without any problems. Note that it's a 5V fan.
post #5286 of 7718
Anyone using the rear IR jack? I'm having an issue with turning on the 4520 via the rear IR input jack. I have a Harmony One paired with a Xantech IR distribution block and everything works once powered on. Even the OEM remote does not turn it on when routed in via the rear IR jack.
post #5287 of 7718
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Originally Posted by loc4me View Post

Anyone using the rear IR jack? I'm having an issue with turning on the 4520 via the rear IR input jack. I have a Harmony One paired with a Xantech IR distribution block and everything works once powered on. Even the OEM remote does not turn it on when routed in via the rear IR jack.


I am having the same issue. If you look at post #4 in this thread the first firmware update was supposed
to fix this issue. All other functions do work as you well know. I use URC remotes

In my case I reported the issue to URC tech support last fall and have heard nothing since. URC
does not even have the 4520 in their IR data base yet and they are supposed to be system integrator
partner with D&M.

The workaround is to use the emitter eye on the front or mount it internally.
post #5288 of 7718
Iaulau,
You own a 4520 and have the CoolerGuys fans powered from your USB ports? My fans would not work from either port (I did switch the inputs for front & rear), but they did work in my PC. CoolerGuys tech looked up the 4520 schematics and he determined that the 4520 would not power them so CoolerGuys sent me an AC adaptor at no charge.
post #5289 of 7718
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Originally Posted by Irwinroad View Post

I am having the same issue. If you look at post #4 in this thread the first firmware update was supposed
to fix this issue. All other functions do work as you well know. I use URC remotes

In my case I reported the issue to URC tech support last fall and have heard nothing since. URC
does not even have the 4520 in their IR data base yet and they are supposed to be system integrator
partner with D&M.

The workaround is to use the emitter eye on the front or mount it internally.

I saw that the change log in for firmware updates says this is supposed to be fixed. I dont believe its an issue with Harmony or URC as I can hook up my Xantech IR repeater system and use the factory remote and it will still not turn the unit on when the rear IR input jack is used.

What is the best way to contact Denon customer support? I did not see an email on their website.

Are others having this issue?
post #5290 of 7718
Hello all,

I am seriously considering upgrading my 3808CI AVR to the 4520CI. I scanned this thread but didn't have time to go through all 177 pages in detail. A couple of quick questions to those who have this product:

- Does the Front Height and Front Wide speaker connections just process the same Front L/R signals?
- Is anyone concerned that the the 4k upscaling and passthrough may be impacted with upcoming changes to the HDMI standard?

I want to eventually upgrade my TV to 4k when the prices come down a bit more but thought about doing the AVR now to soften the financial hit of doing this all at once. Would appreciate feedback and pros/cons of this AVR and it's short term advantages.

Cheers,
Paul
post #5291 of 7718
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Originally Posted by loc4me View Post

I saw that the change log in for firmware updates says this is supposed to be fixed. I dont believe its an issue with Harmony or URC as I can hook up my Xantech IR repeater system and use the factory remote and it will still not turn the unit on when the rear IR input jack is used.

What is the best way to contact Denon customer support? I did not see an email on their website.

Are others having this issue?

Denon Customer Service
800- 497-8921
M-F 9am-8pm EST
post #5292 of 7718
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Originally Posted by PMA View Post

Hello all,

I am seriously considering upgrading my 3808CI AVR to the 4520CI. I scanned this thread but didn't have time to go through all 177 pages in detail. A couple of quick questions to those who have this product:

- Does the Front Height and Front Wide speaker connections just process the same Front L/R signals?
- Is anyone concerned that the the 4k upscaling and passthrough may be impacted with upcoming changes to the HDMI standard?

I want to eventually upgrade my TV to 4k when the prices come down a bit more but thought about doing the AVR now to soften the financial hit of doing this all at once. Would appreciate feedback and pros/cons of this AVR and it's short term advantages.

Cheers,
Paul

1. Depends on what you use for each respective processing:

FH
DD PLIIz - derived from SL/SR audio
DSX - FL/FR

FW
DSX - FL/FR + SL/SR

2. Not likely to be a big issue although will depend on the size of your screen (80"+) and the distance seated from the screen. Note the successor to the 4520CI, although likely including HDMI 2.0 is not likely to be released until Oct/Nov 2014 as the flagship is released every 2 years.
post #5293 of 7718
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

1. Depends on what you use for each respective processing:

FH
DD PLIIz - derived from SL/SR audio
DSX - FL/FR

FW
DSX - FL/FR + SL/SR

2. Not likely to be a big issue although will depend on the size of your screen (80"+) and the distance seated from the screen. Note the successor to the 4520CI, although likely including HDMI 2.0 is not likely to be released until Oct/Nov 2014 as the flagship is released every 2 years.

Thanks JD for the quick reply. A follow up on the audio question:

With most source material such as DirecTV still coming in as DD 5.1, do the FH and FW speakers not send any audio if the AVR is set to auto detect? If I set the AVR to DDPLIIz will it still decode 5.1 properly?

Cheers,
Paul
post #5294 of 7718
Yes. FH and/or FW signal processing is only done with at least a 7.1 setup so the original 5.1 signal remains in tact.
post #5295 of 7718
I am a bit confused in understanding sound modes and what I should be setting things to.

I have an 11.2 configuration (with ext 2ch amp) and always use Neo:X for any DTS mode and Audyssey H+W for anything Dolby and cable TV. My 4520 doesn't seem to automatically change the sound parameter. So if I put in a Dolby TrueHD disc, the 4520 stays on Neo:X.

How do I get the 4520 to change to the correct sound modes automatically?

Is there a chart somewhere that says: "Speaker Config **X**" + "Input signal **Y**" = "Sound Mode **Z**"?
post #5296 of 7718
So, after watching a few Blu-rays this weekend I'm now even more impressed with this AVR's performance.

I started yesterday with two concerts. Mumford & Sons: Road to Red Rocks and Sully Erna's Avalon. Both have simply stunning audio and the 4520 produced a very immersive sound stage. The clarity of the audience in the surround speakers was wonderful, as was the detail of the instruments and vocals in the main and center channels. I invited a good friend over to watch both concerts. He's a musician and has an incredible ear for sound--much better than mine. When I first set-up my Anthem MRX-700, he was very impressed by that AVR's sound over my 3808--and so was I. This time I decided not to tell him that I'd replaced my MRX with the 4520. I made sure that I was already watching Mumford & Sons when he arrived so he couldn't see the new Denon sitting in my AV cabinet at the back of my home theater. After the concert I asked him his opinion of the sound and he said it was just a good as he remembered it the first time he'd hear my new AVR. Detailed, clear, enjoyable. Needless to say he was floored when I told him I'd just replaced the Anthem with the 4520 due to an issue that meant me having to ship off the MRX for service. I loved the sound of the MRX, it was much better than my 3808, and I was worried about giving that up for a more feature-packed and, hopefully, much more reliable AVR. Thankfully I found the 4520 to have wonderful sound at least as good as the Anthem's, but now with someone I trust agreeing with me, I feel vindicated with my decision to go with another Denon. No placebo effect here.

Today I watched the blu-ray if John Rambo. From the amazing jungle sounds to the thumping of the 50 caliber machine turret unleashing hell on the enemy, the sound was phenomenal, powerful and detailed. Now more than ever I'm convinced that Audyssey did a much better job with room correction for my subwoofer than ARC did. The bass is powerful and detailed, but not too loud. Just right for my taste.

So, after 4 days with the 4520 I'm sold. It's an amazing AVR that I'd recommend to anyone wanting a beautiful sounding and looking heart to their home theater.
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Originally Posted by SirJohnFalstaff View Post

From the amazing jungle sounds to the thumping of the 50 caliber machine turret unleashing hell on the enemy, the sound was phenomenal, powerful and detailed.

can you compare that with a real 50 cal? if not, that's OK.
post #5298 of 7718
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Originally Posted by DougReim View Post

Iaulau,
You own a 4520 and have the CoolerGuys fans powered from your USB ports? My fans would not work from either port (I did switch the inputs for front & rear), but they did work in my PC. CoolerGuys tech looked up the 4520 schematics and he determined that the 4520 would not power them so CoolerGuys sent me an AC adaptor at no charge.

Yup, I've been running this Coolerguys fan (same as this one) off of the rear USB port of my 4520 since last November, and never had a problem with it. You just have to make sure that it's a 5 Volt fan as that is all the voltage the USB port will supply (IOW, 12 Volt computer fans may not work if they're not designed for undervoltage).

Not sure what the Coolerguys tech was looking at but the rear USB port is clearly labeled as 5V/1A.
post #5299 of 7718
I'll check the model # of my fan (must be a different fan than yours) but CoolerGuys said it would not work with the 4520 and gave me the adaptor because of that.
post #5300 of 7718
Just pulled the trigger at the river. I'll be combining the 4520 with my Emo XPA5 running a 9.1 setup. Stoked!
post #5301 of 7718
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Originally Posted by DougReim View Post

I'll check the model # of my fan (must be a different fan than yours) but CoolerGuys said it would not work with the 4520 and gave me the adaptor because of that.

I can't check right now as I'm on a work trip, but I assume it is a 5v can as it came with the USB connector already on it....

Laulau thanks for the info on switching USB front/back
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In some cases, adding a second (or more) subwoofer is more about "smoothing" out the bass, but in the case of forum member popalock and his 9000W sub array both in front of the room and another 9000W sub array behind the seats, it's easy to see why he calls it his "bassment". smile.gif

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OMG!!!! My wife would just kill me if I put all those subs in. :-)
Here I am thinking of a pair of Submersives and you go and post this.
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

...it's easy to see why he calls it his "bassment". smile.gif

I read the write-up on AVS, very impressive HT & subs to say the least! cool.gif

I hope he's got some sort of "earthquake" insurance wink.gif

Jeff the Bland used to call himself "king of bass" or something like that.

I think popalock has now earned the title eek.gif
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hey guys I need some help, it seems that with my Fios set top box, i don't seem to get as much volume as I do with other devices. is there some type of trick to try to get the volumes to match? Seems to be about 10 db's lower acording to the volume level on the screen. I know that is has to do with hdmi, and some network outputs. Seems local comercials aee ok most of the time. I think I read somewhere that using toslink for audio might help. I just wanted everything to be hdmi.
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okay, right after I posted that last post, I changed the channel and noticed that it said something like off-set minus 4 db's. then change the channel again and it said minus 7 db's. is the receiver trying to keep everything at a certain standard, if so is there some way to raise the standard
post #5307 of 7718
-4 for Dolby 2.0

-7 for 5.1
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Ok, so I'm trying to finally talk myself off the ledge of avoiding this otherwise fantastic AVR because of the no digital inputs to the zone issue. So if you would please, let me know if I have the following correct:

1. Any HDMI input- even one sending out multi-channel audio- can be down-mixed to stereo and played back to the zones? The caveat is that same input will be played across all of the zones. You cannot send a discreet HDMI input's audio to Z's 2 or 3 and have another playing in the main.

2. If I airplay my phone or ipad to the 4520 with Spotify that can be played back to zones 2 or 3 independently of the main zone. (?) This could seal the deal for me.

thanks in advance for the advisement.


James
Edited by mastermaybe - 8/5/13 at 7:30am
post #5309 of 7718
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

In some cases, adding a second (or more) subwoofer is more about "smoothing" out the bass, but in the case of forum member popalock and his 9000W sub array both in front of the room and another 9000W sub array behind the seats, it's easy to see why he calls it his "bassment". smile.gif


Every time I see that pic I can't help but think:

He could have spent HALF the time, HALF the money, and took up HALF the space with HALF the subs and amplifiers and had all of the room smoothing and only lost ~3 decibels of max output.

James
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Thread Starter 
As though practicality was the goal? tongue.gif
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