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post #5911 of 7730
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

It should be as the flagship model is replaced every 2 years, so the new HDMI 2.0 successor should be due out Oct 2014.

Thanks. I think I'm good then. I thought there might be a new one coming out early 2014.
post #5912 of 7730
Nope. Lower/mid-level models are released every year in the spring/early summer while the flagship is released every other year in the fall.
post #5913 of 7730
I have a Denon 4250 hooked up to maim zone, zone 2 and zone 3. I can use pandora via network to play music on all 3 zones. However, when I switch to Sonos connected via optical input, it plays on the main zone only. Any advice on fixing the issue? Thanks.
post #5914 of 7730
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Originally Posted by jake51 View Post

As stated in an earlier post, it really annoys me that the onscreen volume indicator disappears when I turn Video Conversion off
The useful info that is shown when you press the Info button also disappears
My earlier Pioneer had no onscreen volume indicator, and it drove me nuts
So... are there any negative side effects to leaving it on?
For instance I noticed that the picture from Apple TV lost some fine detail with Video Conversion turned on
Mostly I watch Blu-rays
Any thoughts?
Thanks

 

 

I don't perceive any signal loss whatsoever.  On any AVR, Denon or other brand, in order to superimpose a graphic display on top of the video signal requires some process like Video Convert, AFAIK.  Are you thinking that the process Denon uses is somehow inferior to what other manufacturers use?

post #5915 of 7730
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by ssj1 View Post

I have a Denon 4250 hooked up to maim zone, zone 2 and zone 3. I can use pandora via network to play music on all 3 zones. However, when I switch to Sonos connected via optical input, it plays on the main zone only. Any advice on fixing the issue? Thanks.

External digital audio sources will not go to other zones. You need to double connect with an analog RCA cable from the Sonos.
post #5916 of 7730
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post
 
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Originally Posted by jake51 View Post

As stated in an earlier post, it really annoys me that the onscreen volume indicator disappears when I turn Video Conversion off
The useful info that is shown when you press the Info button also disappears
My earlier Pioneer had no onscreen volume indicator, and it drove me nuts
So... are there any negative side effects to leaving it on?
For instance I noticed that the picture from Apple TV lost some fine detail with Video Conversion turned on
Mostly I watch Blu-rays
Any thoughts?
Thanks

 

 

I don't perceive any signal loss whatsoever.  On any AVR, Denon or other brand, in order to superimpose a graphic display on top of the video signal requires some process like Video Convert, AFAIK.  Are you thinking that the process Denon uses is somehow inferior to what other manufacturers use?

 

All my Onkyos have always worked this way too. I can't really understand why someone would be annoyed that their AVR is working correctly.  Clearly if you are going to bypass most or all of the video processing, you are also going to lose the on-screen graphics too. Like you, I have tried this both ways and have perceived no difference.

post #5917 of 7730
Wasn't really sure where to post this. Thinking that the Denon 4520 is a high end avr. Which I have, this would be a good start. I figure anyone who has the 4520 also has a blu ray player....Oh, i'm running 11.2 speakers too.

Here we go then. I'm looking to upgrade my blu ray player. I just gave my daughter my ps3. Which has done ok, but needed replaced anyways. (ps3 fat) I really like the oppo 103. Only problem is its pretty much the same price as the ps4 coming out soon. I'm thinking as long as for PQ, and audio, thru hdmi, I don't see me gaining anything either way. Or, am I wrong?????? If so, then what.

I do play a few games. Its just after spending about 6 grand on my new system lately. My wife has said enough.....So i'm thinking, at least for now, wait for the new ps4. Then maybe in a year get the oppo....
post #5918 of 7730
Part 2.

I also have the Emotiva XPA-200. Seems to be giving me problems. Its looses standby mode. When I shut it off, the orange light comes on. Never any type of consistency, it goes blank, or off. I either have to unplug it or turn the switch off an on in the back of the unit. I even just got it back from shipping it to Emotiva to have it looked at. They say the couldn't find anything wrong with it.

That's why i'm posting at the Denon 4520, is there something i'm missing with this Denon, that would send something through the trigger output. This is the first avr I've ever used a 12 vdc trigger. It does seem to work when I do turn it on and off. I mean, when I first turn everything on. After I reset the xpa-200 to standby. I turn on my denon and everything seems to kick on like I think it should. But hell, what do I know....All the lights on the amp turn on to blue....But when I turn everything off. Looks great for a while. xpa-200 goes to standby. Seems as soon as I turn my back. BAAMMM. Its off again...never any consistency, it can take a few minutes, or hours to happen...

Any ideas....I hate to send it back to Emotiva again.....Thanks
post #5919 of 7730
I am too lazy to tear into my audio stand to check this but---
If I remember correctly it matters what type of cable you use for the trigger on the Emotiva. It needs either a mono or stereo to work correctly and I can't remember which one I used on my XPA-3.
post #5920 of 7730

^harry

1. irt PQ/SQ for playing BluRays via HDMI: any brand-name Sony, Samsung, etc. BRP is as good as another and as good as an Oppo or a PS3.  PS3 has an advantage over all others as it is the industry standard, so rarely are you unable to play a new BR release on one.  Oppo also maintains very current FW, has exceptional CS overall and has some of its own cool feature sets.

 

2. I'd check the 12v trigger cord from the AVR to the amp as the next step in troubleshooting-it may have a short.  It is a mono cord, available from Radioshack.


Edited by SoundofMind - 10/7/13 at 6:06am
post #5921 of 7730
Sony's BDP-S5100 (~ $100) is the Blu-ray player recommended most often in the "which blu-ray player should I buy" thread if you don't feel the need for analog audio outputs. While it's far from perfect, players from other manufacturers tend to have worse problems. If you do want multichannel analog audio, the Panasonic DMP-BDT500 (~$250) seems to be the least expensive option. There's no difference in the output when playing Blu-ray discs. Sony has significantly better streaming. The Panasonic has more options for tuning the video quality if you play a lot of low-quality DVDs, in which case the Sony BDP-S790 is a less expensive alternative (~$200), but doesn't have multichannel analog outputs, just stereo.

edited to add:
If you want to have audio output from a blu-ray player to be heard in Zone 2 of the 4520 (e.g. when playing CDs), the player needs to have at least stereo analog audio outputs.

p.s.
Analog audio outputs have been dropped from most of this year's BD players. The 790 and 500 are last-year's top-of-the-line consumer grade players from Sony and Panasonic which were carried over to this year, just as the 4520 was. The Zone 2 analog restriction has been lifted in most of this year's D&M receiver models. The replacement for the 4520 is expected next fall.
Edited by Selden Ball - 10/7/13 at 6:15am
post #5922 of 7730

^Selden, is that Sony a universal player? I think some of the SONYs play SACDs and perhaps even DVDAs. 

 

So Harry, that reminds me that I forgot to mention that if you're interested in playing HiRes music discs, the Oppo (unlike most BluRays) is a universal player; I believe the PS3 is also.

post #5923 of 7730
While the 5100 and 790 both play SACD discs, they do not play DVD-A (or even DAD) audio discs. (The ones they seem to play actually are playing their DD layers.) If you need a universal player, the Oppos are probably the least expensive options. Of course, most of the well-known home entertainment manufacturers have their own expensive high-end universal players, too, but they tend to lag significantly in streaming options and firmware updates.
post #5924 of 7730

Ahhh-thnx for the clarification.  My Samsung 3D BRP has been malfunctioning and I'm considering the replacement options.  We rarely watch 3D so I'm in no hurry, as I have my Denon universal BDP-A100.  It doesn't do 3D.  Also, though it has Denon-Link 4th and that is nice for music SQ connected to my AVR-A100, I'll eventually have to replace it as well-so at that time will consider whether I'll go with matching DLHD AVR and player or go back to Oppo. I agree that the Oppos are usually cutting edge with new features, exc quality/reliable build and are a very good value vs high-end pricier players.  

post #5925 of 7730
If you have SACD, I don't believe PS4 will support it. Original PS3's supported SACD, but later PS3 models dropped that support (I'm pretty sure, but double check). So if you have SACD, Oppo is your obvious choice. In terms of picture quality, I agree, I don't think you'll be able to tell one from the other.
post #5926 of 7730
Wow, and Thanks.

I'm thinking for now, i'll wait and get the ps4. It will get me by until I get the oppo. Then I should have all my bases covered.

I've been looking at the Sony BDP-S790. Looks great. Might even do that instead of the oppo. The 5100 also looks great..

I have to look into the trigger cable. Find it hard to believe that it works to turn it on and off, to just shut down completely at any given time...I think I have a old mono cable laying around. Lets see what it does....

Thanks again....
post #5927 of 7730

^harry, if you have not done so, then a reset the microprocessor procedure on the 4520 is also something I'd do-it seems to fix odd glitches a fair percentage of the time. 

 

Use Network Save to save your calibration and settings prior to the reset, then Load puts it all back after the reset. 

 

A bad trigger cable or jack on the 4520 is a long shot, but checking those mechanical aspects makes sense, as Emo says the amp is fine.  Another way to check it out is if you or a friend has another 12v trigger device-either send (another AVP) or receive (another amp or other triggered device) might help narrow it down.

post #5928 of 7730
Ya, i'm stumped. After changing the trigger cable, same thing happened. It does go into standby. From blue to orange light. But after a period of time, never anything consistent, the orange light goes off. I've even plugged the Emo amp into a battery back up, thinking it lost power or something. I just really find it hard to believe that the Emo shop said they tested it for days with no problem. As soon as I shut it down. Within an hour or 2. It goes blank....Every time.....
post #5929 of 7730
It could be that the voltage being supplied by the receiver's trigger outputs is inadequate or noisy. Have you had that checked?
post #5930 of 7730
I don't bother with the 12 volt trigger on my XPA 200. I just manually turn it on when I turn on my 4520. It's less hassle than worrying about a malfunctioning 12 volt trigger.

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I agree that the Oppos are usually cutting edge with new features, exc quality/reliable build and are a very good value vs high-end pricier players.

I really like Oppo's Blu Ray players. I'm still using my BDP 83 - still works flawlessly.
post #5931 of 7730
I haven't had the triggers power checked. But I'm pretty sure the powers ok. Power conditioner type setup and all...

I did notice when I replaced the trigger cable. ( yep it's mono ) That the plug itself on the Emo amp seemed loose....Made the standby click a few times. Looks like I'll be sending It back to Emo....This sucks. I wouldn't be all that upset. Except, i'm disabled. The amp aint light, not to mention the cabinet, wires and all. And yes, my cabinet is cooled. Never hot.... I really don't know what i'm missing here...
post #5932 of 7730
http://m.digitaltrends.com/receivers-separates-amps-reviews/denon-avr-4520ci-review/

Ouch, wonder if this guy had dynamic eq on. So tough with reviews, some people love a certain product, others don't.
post #5933 of 7730
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Originally Posted by ssj1 View Post

I have a Denon 4250 hooked up to maim zone, zone 2 and zone 3. I can use pandora via network to play music on all 3 zones. However, when I switch to Sonos connected via optical input, it plays on the main zone only. Any advice on fixing the issue? Thanks.

Probably requires analog rca cables connected. I had the same question when I hooked tried to play hdmi sources through Zone 2. I had to connect the rca cables to those hdmi units also.
Wouldn't take you long to test that.
post #5934 of 7730
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Originally Posted by mhrischuk View Post

After over a week using the zones, I haven't experienced any issues.

Talked to a fellow a few days ago about it. He installs sound professionally. He said sometimes these newer units take a little time to "sync" with your particular settings. All I know is it really seems like it with my experience.
I think it has to do with the way I customized the amp usage.

So far I'm really enjoying the capabilities and sound. Again, I love the way you can customize which amps are on and which are off.

Still experiencing issues with zones. Even main zone dropped out once.

Then I finally was able to get things working but haven't narrowed it down.

Either the hdmi cables I am using are defective or something inside the 4520 is loose. I play around with the cables, making sure they are seated. One time it made no difference, another time it fixed it.

Another time I simply raised the 4520 about 1/2" on the front left corner and let it drop. All started working.

Next step... get better hdmi cables. Any recommendation for good cables but not stupid esoteric ones? Or should I get a bigger hammer? LOL

Still have not been able to get the 12v trigger to not turn on when I only use Zone 2. Not a big deal though.
post #5935 of 7730
I have a bit of a weird question, maybe a little dumb but... is the 4520 able to play movies from a networked home computer similar to playing music files from a networked computer? I have my movies backed up on my home computer and play them on my system with an Apple TV. I was just wondering if the Denon could do this directly???
post #5936 of 7730
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Originally Posted by harrybnbad View Post

Wasn't really sure where to post this. Thinking that the Denon 4520 is a high end avr. Which I have, this would be a good start. I figure anyone who has the 4520 also has a blu ray player....Oh, i'm running 11.2 speakers too.

Here we go then. I'm looking to upgrade my blu ray player. I just gave my daughter my ps3. Which has done ok, but needed replaced anyways. (ps3 fat) I really like the oppo 103. Only problem is its pretty much the same price as the ps4 coming out soon. I'm thinking as long as for PQ, and audio, thru hdmi, I don't see me gaining anything either way. Or, am I wrong?????? If so, then what.

I do play a few games. Its just after spending about 6 grand on my new system lately. My wife has said enough.....So i'm thinking, at least for now, wait for the new ps4. Then maybe in a year get the oppo....

Don't lose a minute of sleep bypassing the Oppo for another player...as suggested, the 5100 would be a great option, but I think your plan of waiting 6 weeks for the PS4 makes the most sense. After monoprice and emotiva it has to be the most over-hyped, canned, and misdirected recommendation on this forum.

It's not going to give you better sound or video on your BDs...both of which I assume should be THE two number variables in a BD player. It has marginally superior scaling for those still using DVDs and plays a wide array of discs...again, great for the <1% actually spinning SACDs and DVD-A.

Is it a fine, well-constructed BD player that offers a bit more flexibility? Sure. Is it nearly worth spending FIVE (or TEN) TIMES more cash than what can be had for $100 for the vast majority...not even close.

But you can say you have an Oppo, which I realize is right near the top of the priority check-sheet for a percentage. rolleyes.gif

James
post #5937 of 7730
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by tkroeker View Post

I have a bit of a weird question, maybe a little dumb but... is the 4520 able to play movies from a networked home computer similar to playing music files from a networked computer? I have my movies backed up on my home computer and play them on my system with an Apple TV. I was just wondering if the Denon could do this directly???

No. No receiver that I'm aware of can do direct video streaming. Only audio and occasionally still images.
post #5938 of 7730
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Originally Posted by mastermaybe View Post

Don't lose a minute of sleep bypassing the Oppo for another player...as suggested, the 5100 would be a great option, but I think your plan of waiting 6 weeks for the PS4 makes the most sense. After monoprice and emotiva it has to be the most over-hyped, canned, and misdirected recommendation on this forum.

It's not going to give you better sound or video on your BDs...both of which I assume should be THE two number variables in a BD player. It has marginally superior scaling for those still using DVDs and plays a wide array of discs...again, great for the <1% actually spinning SACDs and DVD-A.

Is it a fine, well-constructed BD player that offers a bit more flexibility? Sure. Is it nearly worth spending FIVE (or TEN) TIMES more cash than what can be had for $100 for the vast majority...not even close.

But you can say you have an Oppo, which I realize is right near the top of the priority check-sheet for a percentage. rolleyes.gif

James

Let me see if I understand you correctly, James. If all one cares about is playing Blu-ray disks, a $100 player will work as well as the Oppo.

But if one wants additional value, such as the ability to play SACD, DVD-A, and even DSD audio files, plus superior up-scaling (including 4K), better analog audio, superior network apps, better build quality, excellent resale value, and excellent customer support, one might consider the Oppo?

Sounds about right.
post #5939 of 7730
Ouch. Are those dates hard/show stoppers? Just curious if Denon would be flexible about the purchase dates if it's reasonably close to Oct 8th.
post #5940 of 7730
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Originally Posted by mastermaybe View Post

Don't lose a minute of sleep bypassing the Oppo for another player...as suggested, the 5100 would be a great option, but I think your plan of waiting 6 weeks for the PS4 makes the most sense. After monoprice and emotiva it has to be the most over-hyped, canned, and misdirected recommendation on this forum.

It's not going to give you better sound or video on your BDs...both of which I assume should be THE two number variables in a BD player. It has marginally superior scaling for those still using DVDs and plays a wide array of discs...again, great for the <1% actually spinning SACDs and DVD-A.

Is it a fine, well-constructed BD player that offers a bit more flexibility? Sure. Is it nearly worth spending FIVE (or TEN) TIMES more cash than what can be had for $100 for the vast majority...not even close.

But you can say you have an Oppo, which I realize is right near the top of the priority check-sheet for a percentage. rolleyes.gif

James

One additional factor to consider (if you watch a lot of BDs). The load time on some players can get annoying. Waiting a minute or so can be agonizing (hell, even 30 secs is too long!) So do take that into consideration. Finally, PS3s don't have IR for remote. You have to buy an adapter to take IR inputs. So if using a universal remote is important, don't forget to get a dongle for IR to BT. Or make sure your remote spews BT.

hsb
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