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post #6361 of 7814
You might want to try Judge Dredd. It was mixed for DTS Neo 11.1. It comes in regular blu ray and 3D as well.
post #6362 of 7814
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Originally Posted by howard68 View Post

The amp would shut itself off
Was the beginning
It started to crackle and make clicking sound
when you turned up sound
This seemed to go away when I did a full
Then I lost pandora and Internet
It sometimes found music on its front panel
And never play it
Then about 2 weeks ago
It cracked on all speakers very loud
May have damaged speakers
I have replaced hdmi cables
Checked cables ect
I can get Internet for firm update check ok
No Internet for any music or on screen info when I try pandora ect
Will plug in and follow the set up protocol and see what happens
It is strange
I hope i don't have to pay another $ 100 to send it back again

 

Those symptoms do sound like something Denon would have picked up. Have you discussed their diagnosis of there being 'no apparent fault' with them?

post #6363 of 7814
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Originally Posted by Pain Infliction View Post
 
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Originally Posted by laulau View Post

Select the iPod/USB input, then hit the Option button on the remote, then select USB Select.

Been running this Coolerguys exhaust fan for about 9 months off of the rear USB port without any problems. Note that it's a 5V fan.

Ok, I did this. Is there a way to get the fan to turn off when the avr turns off?

 

One of those 'smart' power strips will do it. That's how I do mine.

post #6364 of 7814
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Originally Posted by sonofsoren View Post

You might want to try Judge Dredd. It was mixed for DTS Neo 11.1. It comes in regular blu ray and 3D as well.

 

It also has that really cool 'sound check' on it where each speaker is sent a signal in turn. Really shows how effective the height (and wide I guess - I don't have wide) channels are.

post #6365 of 7814
So I connected each speaker one at a time and turned on
All speakers are connected with out trip yet
My problem is this seems to be as before
It will run for days with no problem and then have an intermittent problem
My side left surround now seems damaged after the big crack that came from the amp
Causing me to send it back
Will go and get it replaced today

Time will tell if it will do it again
Good news is as soon as I pluged it in
Internet radio ect was back !

I have checked the wires to each speaker
Banana plugs on all
I have replaced all hdmi cables
Only running roku for about a week before i add another unit
I have replace the roku 2 to a roku 3
As I thought it may have been the roku 2 causing the problem
As it almost was always on this when it played up
Also I don't remember the amp having a
Hum
My amp now hums when on !
Does any one have a hum ?
Any one else had the shut down problem ?
post #6366 of 7814
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Originally Posted by howard68 View Post

Just got amp back from repair
Denon says nothing wrong !!!!!!!
It cost me $100 to ship it to them
Shipped back within a week
So much for testing it on for more than a day
I did not go through all the resets and stuff to send a good amp back
Will unpack it do day and let you


Funny the same thing happened to me last week. Waste of 92 bucks to ship it when the testing they did wouldn;t show the issue I am having (network dies and screen goes "fuzzy"). Now I am getting the run around with Denon support. Very disappointed in Denon - not sure I will be buying another
post #6367 of 7814
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Originally Posted by howard68 View Post

So I connected each speaker one at a time and turned on
All speakers are connected with out trip yet
My problem is this seems to be as before
It will run for days with no problem and then have an intermittent problem
My side left surround now seems damaged after the big crack that came from the amp
Causing me to send it back
Will go and get it replaced today

Time will tell if it will do it again
Good news is as soon as I pluged it in
Internet radio ect was back !

I have checked the wires to each speaker
Banana plugs on all
I have replaced all hdmi cables
Only running roku for about a week before i add another unit
I have replace the roku 2 to a roku 3
As I thought it may have been the roku 2 causing the problem
As it almost was always on this when it played up
Also I don't remember the amp having a
Hum
My amp now hums when on !
Does any one have a hum ?
Any one else had the shut down problem ?

I had similar problem in the past with a 4311 (both the sudden booming from all speakers and the hum after the hardware reset) . After a lot of investigation i found that my problem was either my source (PS3 with mkv playing) either the bad power. What I did and I never faced it again, was to buy a power cleaner unit from Power Monster and at the same time ground all my devices including my network switch and my router.
post #6368 of 7814
Hi
Thanks for the info
I am only adding one unit at a time
I have all units on surge protection
Will the monster power unit do something else ?
I will give it a go
I have had to replace my surround speaker as it damaged with the last crack of sound
post #6369 of 7814
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Originally Posted by howard68 View Post

Hi
Thanks for the info
I am only adding one unit at a time
I have all units on surge protection
Will the monster power unit do something else ?
I will give it a go
I have had to replace my surround speaker as it damaged with the last crack of sound

I suppose according to what it says, it's "cleaning" the power. I'm not 100% sure if that was my problem or just a bad luck with the power. Believe it or not, I get from ConEd 126 - 130V, which is not normal but unfortunately my house is few feet away from their distributor.
It is what it is, you have to deal with that.
Another suggestion which will take you some time, is to take the receiver in a friend's house with 2 speakers and test it. This way you'll be sure that you have internal problem or not.
post #6370 of 7814
has anybody compared the Marantz 7008 side by side with this unit? ... my main concern is for music .Thanks.
post #6371 of 7814
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Originally Posted by llep64 View Post

has anybody compared the Marantz 7008 side by side with this unit? ... my main concern is for music .Thanks.
What speakers and setup do you have?
What are your main sources?
How much is Stereo-Audiophile / Home theater /MP3

I've listen to the Marantz with external amp Nad master 25 series. It's different than the 4520. I can't say better or worst different. On Stereo-Audiophile Denon is just a bit more smooth than the Marantz. But again, when I bought the Emotiva XPA-5 and I'm using it for stereo this problem was gone.
On HT and MP3 listening Denon is better, more depth, effects, power.
post #6372 of 7814
thanks Emperor ... I have Monitor Audio GR20 7.1 setup , I have lots of concert blurays and Flac music that right now I listen to on a Marantz 7005 that sounds really good, but for HT the power it's just not there and I really don't want to use an external amp, so I just want to get an idea of how the 4520 does with music in general I know for HT it's really solid!.
Thx.
post #6373 of 7814
Don't forget that for HT your speakers also might be limiting what you can hear. Inefficient speakers (< 90dB) with a low maximum wattage (<250W) are unable to provide reference sound levels at a distance of about 10ft (3m) without distortion or potential damage to the speakers. For full volume (THX reference level) with the 100W provided by most current receivers, you need speakers with at least 96dB sensitivity.

A detailed discussion of this is currently in progress in the Audyssey thread, starting at about http://www.avsforum.com/t/795421/official-audyssey-thread-faq-in-post-51779/67890#post_24065997
post #6374 of 7814
If all you need is pure stereo audio I believe Marantz is a better fit. Overall though Denon is better. I had to go with external amp cause of my speakers.
I have the Dunlavy's beasts SC IV as main and a ICC as center.
With your speakers I strongly believe that Denon will be fine. At the end of the day you can have it for 30 days and give it back if you are not satisfied.
post #6375 of 7814
So I have been thinking
Denon sent my amp back with no fault ! ????
How come it damaged my speaker !
It should have a auto cut off for a short s
It made a huge crack even with the volume on low
they are passing the buck ! ?
I did not sent it back at $100
For fun !!!!!
I am not stupid and did many tests before sending it back
It shut down on its own
Is saying something ?
I have many denon amps
This may be the last if I have any more
Problems and denon don't step up
And fix it
$2500 is not small money to me
post #6376 of 7814
I understand. I would be pissed too if I was you.
post #6377 of 7814
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

1. With Audyssey Sub EQ HT and XT32 there is no reason to use the SMS-1.
2. General consensus is to only focus on where you personally sit (ie. main listening position) and then take the remaining 7 mic positions within a 2'-3' radius around that #1 mic position.
3. The 3310 features the same version Audyssey MultEQ found only on the lower level Denon models so there should be a very noticeable improvement for you.

thanks jdsmoothie, sorry for the delay in replying, been on the road this week.

I have this machine arriving later this week, and the 'boss' is away so next weekend will be playtime!
post #6378 of 7814
I have a question about my 4520ci. When I play frequency sweeps from 1hz to 30hz, my towers and center speakers are still playing even though I have them crossed at 80hz on the receiver. This is on digital, multi ch, or stereos modes. I thought anything under 80hz is sent to the sub, I'm wondering if I've had something set wrong this whole time eek.gif
post #6379 of 7814
Thread Starter 
Crossovers are not brick walls, they are sloped filters.
post #6380 of 7814
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Crossovers are not brick walls, they are sloped filters.

The slope should be so steep as to be inaudible in the mains @ 30hz.
post #6381 of 7814
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Crossovers are not brick walls, they are sloped filters.

Got ya, I was thinking they were cut off points.
post #6382 of 7814
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Originally Posted by MUDCAT45 View Post



The slope should be so steep as to be inaudible in the mains @ 30hz.

I can see the woofers move and they smell burnt when I play low frequency tests, I don't even want them to play that low. I thought that's what the receiver does, to send the low freq to the subwoofer and not to the HT speakers. I guess I was confused
post #6383 of 7814
It does do that but the crossover acts just like any other filter and is not going to straight cut off fq's.

Your speakers smelling burnt concerns me. I don't think the receiver would have put out enough db's at those fq's to hurt your speakers.
post #6384 of 7814
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Originally Posted by Pain Infliction View Post

It does do that but the crossover acts just like any other filter and is not going to straight cut off fq's.

Your speakers smelling burnt concerns me. I don't think the receiver would have put out enough db's at those fq's to hurt your speakers.


It only did it during a freq sweep at high volume but I'm not going to do it again. I know it's because the speakers are receiving too much low frequencies that I meant the sub to only get. I didn't realize the other speakers were playing below 30hz during the sweeps.
post #6385 of 7814
Just know that you do not have to measure at loud volumes unless you are going for max spl. I just measured on the 4520 a few days ago and left the volume at around 25.
post #6386 of 7814
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Originally Posted by Pain Infliction View Post

Just know that you do not have to measure at loud volumes unless you are going for max spl. I just measured on the 4520 a few days ago and left the volume at around 25.

I was doing a max reading from listening position of 10hz, 20hz, and 30hz just to see what my sub was outputting just to get an idea before my 2nd one comes in smile.gif i just didnt realize that when i do that my other speakers have been also playing the same frequencies.
post #6387 of 7814
Theres one other thing I haven't figured out how to do with this receiver. So when I play blueray movies that are Dolby True HD, the audio always clips. When I switch my Denon 3313UDCI Bluray player to PCM they no longer clip. For some reason the sound will only come out of my two front towers and not the rest of the speakers. When I switch to other sound modes on the receiver it still does this. How do you set the 4520ci while the bluray player is switched to PCM mode to allow it to decode and not the receiver? It seems like I have a setting wrong that's overlapping the blueray players attempt to properly decode and play through all the speakers. Until now I've always let the 4520ci do the decoding while settings are left at bitstream but these newer blueray movies are clipping so this is my first time disabling the receiver from doing the decoding.
post #6388 of 7814
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Originally Posted by Blackmambakila View Post

... I thought anything under 80hz is sent to the sub, I'm wondering if I've had something set wrong this whole time eek.gif

So how do you have the AVR configured? Are the speakers set to Large or Small?
post #6389 of 7814
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Originally Posted by laulau View Post

So how do you have the AVR configured? Are the speakers set to Large or Small?

All speakers are set to small, speaker crossover at 80hz, and bass mode set to LFE. Can't think of what else it could be
post #6390 of 7814
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Originally Posted by Blackmambakila View Post

Theres one other thing I haven't figured out how to do with this receiver. So when I play blueray movies that are Dolby True HD, the audio always clips. When I switch my Denon 3313UDCI Bluray player to PCM they no longer clip. For some reason the sound will only come out of my two front towers and not the rest of the speakers. When I switch to other sound modes on the receiver it still does this. How do you set the 4520ci while the bluray player is switched to PCM mode to allow it to decode and not the receiver? It seems like I have a setting wrong that's overlapping the blueray players attempt to properly decode and play through all the speakers. Until now I've always let the 4520ci do the decoding while settings are left at bitstream but these newer blueray movies are clipping so this is my first time disabling the receiver from doing the decoding.

When the BDP "HD Audio Mode" is set to "Mix Audio Output", the HD audio is decoded in the BDP and then passed to the 4520CI as mulit channel PCM at which point the 4520CI display should read "Multi CH IN" as there is no further decoding required and play as 5.1 or 7.1 depending on your setup and surround mode selected. What surround mode is displayed?
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