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post #691 of 4500
11/1/12 at 2:57am
Not true ... the mics are interchangeable (as confirmed by Chris K (Audyssey)).
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post #692 of 4500
11/1/12 at 5:29am
I have the noticed that the 4520 HDMI locks on way faster than my Marantz 7005 with my Dune media player



Is this a Denon thing or the fact the 4520 is a new generation AVR?
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post #693 of 4500
11/1/12 at 5:32am
^^^

likely due to the new (different) hdmi chipset... which means it wouldn't necessarily be "unique to denon"...
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post #694 of 4500
11/1/12 at 5:50am
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Review coming up soon....
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post #695 of 4500
11/1/12 at 5:51am
^^^

someone got a whole bunch of new toys at once... smile.gif
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post #696 of 4500
11/1/12 at 5:54am
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Any deals going on for the Denon AVR-4520CI ?
Im looking to upgrade especially for the MultEQ® XT32 and ability to setup 2 subs independently.
Contact Mike @ AVS, I'm getting mine from him for a very attractive price (much much lower than msrp)! wink.gif

Nothing against AVS, I've bought stuff thru them before and will do so again.
However, I'm getting mine from local audio high end Brick/Mortsr shop, please give them also consideration for business.
Without us they will not be around, I'm also getting very attractive price.



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post #697 of 4500
11/1/12 at 7:06am
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^^^
someone got a whole bunch of new toys at once... smile.gif

You should see the boxes piling up in Chicago...

Is it safe yet for my NH / Smoky Mts road trip?
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post #698 of 4500
11/1/12 at 7:22am
BTW, I found the 3 32 bit chips to play a role in the HT experience...
I don't have my 4311 anymore so it's a bit hard to compare.

But the effects seem to steer better, more crisply and clearly. I agree with Jerry re - Dialogue Enhancer - it does make the dialogue clearer, but in a rather unnatural way.. so I just increase the centre channel by + 2 instead. Seems to work better.

The movement of effects and panning better, but again, this could be the 'new is good' effect.
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post #699 of 4500
11/1/12 at 7:55am

Pete, I assume you have done an Audyssey calibration?  Standard or Pro Kit?  Do the subwoofer distances look the same, or different, from what the 4311 calculated?

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post #700 of 4500
11/1/12 at 8:15am
Hi
I don't have my old 4311to compare, but I used the bog standard XT 32. No pro.. no idea of the subwoofer distances compared to the old one..
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post #701 of 4500
11/1/12 at 9:17am
From Denon facebook-
"Hi- the AVR-4520CI supports 30Hz and 24Hz when passing 4k video. Thanks for your question!"
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post #702 of 4500
11/1/12 at 9:22am
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Review coming up soon....

Nice!! I see you have the 95 too... I'm waitin' on the 105.
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post #703 of 4500
11/1/12 at 9:22am
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someone got a whole bunch of new toys at once... smile.gif

You should see the boxes piling up in Chicago...

Is it safe yet for my NH / Smoky Mts road trip?

nh, yes... smoky mountains, unlikely... MUCH snow there...
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post #704 of 4500
11/1/12 at 11:49am
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Q for those with the 4520.

When you use HDMI for zone 1 video/audio - typical cable box, can you also send the audio to the 2nd zone?

I can't do that with my 4308, it's a PIA for sporting events where a big game is on in the HT and in my rec room I want to listen to zone 2 same.

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don't have one, but the answer is no...

dag nabit! Is there some copy protection scheme that keeps this from being simple?

I can send to all 3 zones fm/internet radio.....this so makes big parties a PIA

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nope, not copy protection...

technically speaking, a "zone", by definition, explicitly means that a different source can be used than what is being used in the main zone... in order for that to be accomplished, the unit would have to include a duplicate digital path to process a second source at the same time... that would add a pretty significant cost to the bill of materials...

even if it was the "same source", the unit would have to have the ability to take a mch source and downmix it to stereo in order to pass it to the zone... the higher end yammy aventages did this (dunno if they still do) in "party mode"...

for tv, many stb's will out out 2 channel analog as well as the digital signal... you could hook it up analog as well (to a different input), and ship that input to zone 2 (although there may be sone timing issues there)...

Looking for "closure" on this I asked DenonUSA
here is the chain of discussion
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October 25 at 9:48am "Michael A Rosinski">DenonUSA · ..
Q for the 4520CI.
When you use HDMI for zone 1 video/audio - typical cable box, can you also send the audio to the 2nd zone?
I can't do that with my 4308, it's a PIA for sporting events where a big game is on in the HT and in my rec room I want to listen to zone 2 same.

October 28 at 3:36pm Michael A Rosinski Hi DenonUSA, answer for my question above is ????
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Monday at 9:40am "DenonUSA"> Hi Michael- The 4520 has a zone 2 HDMI output that sends video and audio to a second zone. The HDMI audio will not be output to the zone 2 speaker outputs.
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"Michael A Rosinski"; Maybe my Question not clear. I'm using HMDI in from the cable box, it has video/audio, that is displayed via output to HDMI out 1 for the projector and audio to zone 1 which is the home theatre.
I also want to use same audio signal from cable box HDMI cable to zone 2, can that be done?
If need be, I can post schemeatic layout to make clear the routing.
Monday at 12:13pm · ..

DenonUSA Hi Michael, thanks for the clarification, but the answer to your question is no, that can't be done because the HDMI audio will not be output to the zone 2 speaker outputs.

Yesterday at 10:51am · ..Michael A Rosinski Ok - nice to have definitive answer.
Is there some HDMI copy protection scheme that keeps you from doing this?
I can listen to HD radio/Internet radio on zone 1 and zone 2 same time, so in my mind the audio pathway is in your circuits and software already, so can't understand why can't do it like I desire.

Yesterday at 11:10am ·· ..Michael A Rosinski bump - DenonUSA I'm still curious if the above is your hardware/software design issue or a basic HDMI copy protection scheme.

4 minutes ago · ..DenonUSA Hi Michael- we'd be happy to talk through any other questions you have. Please reach out to speak over the phone with a member of our customer service team, we can be reached between 9am and 8pm EST at 201-762-6665. Thanks.

So, it's can't be done but when I want the specific reason why can't get it......
ccotenj - you think its a downmix issue? As stated I have no problem with HD radiop playing Zone 1 and Zone2 same time.
Edited by mtbdudex - 11/1/12 at 11:56am
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post #705 of 4500
11/1/12 at 11:59am
^^
Note that you specifically referenced Zone 2 while the 4520CI has a Zone 4 (HDMI) which would be able to pass the same cable audio/video to your 2nd TV or another AVR for processing (although doing so may restrict the audio to the main zone to stereo only depending on what the 2nd TV can receive).
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post #706 of 4500
11/1/12 at 12:10pm
^^^^
JD - see picture I've got just stereo speakers above my pool table, it's a big game event, football/basketball in zone 1 HT room, how can I get the audio to pass onto the zone2 wired speakers above the pool table?
(why is this so difficult??)
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post #707 of 4500
11/1/12 at 12:13pm
The easiest way would be to also connect analog RCA cables from the cable box in addition to the HDMI for the main zone and then you can connect the pool table speakers to the Amp Assign speaker posts set to Zone 2 or 3. Or if you plan a full 9.2 setup, then connect the Zone 2 or 3 pre-outs to an external 2CH amp and connect the pool table speakers to that 2CH amp.
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post #708 of 4500
11/1/12 at 12:14pm
^^^

hook up your cable box without analog audio cables to the avr (on a different input)...

ship that input to zone 2...

edit: as usual, the lightning fast fingers of jd beat me to the punch... redface.gif

second edit: REAL nice playground you got there.. smile.gif
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post #709 of 4500
11/1/12 at 12:27pm
I'll try the above tonight and see, thx both of you


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post #710 of 4500
11/1/12 at 1:08pm
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The easiest way would be to also connect analog RCA cables from the cable box in addition to the HDMI for the main zone and then you can connect the pool table speakers to the Amp Assign speaker posts set to Zone 2 or 3. Or if you plan a full 9.2 setup, then connect the Zone 2 or 3 pre-outs to an external 2CH amp and connect the pool table speakers to that 2CH amp.

The only problem with this on the modern AVRs is that the processing delay for xt32 etc... often causes a noticeable lag between the analog path and the digital path. If both sources are within earshot, then it just sounds weird. In this situation he'll need to put the amplifier into pure directo or some such to turn off the room correction, thus reducing the processing delay.
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post #711 of 4500
11/1/12 at 1:18pm
^^
Setting the "Video Mode" setting (p. 131 OM) to "GAME" should generally resolve (or at least minimize) any lag issues.
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post #712 of 4500
11/1/12 at 8:48pm
I thought my 4520ci had whacked out tonight. While I was jamming to Jeff Beck @ Ronnie Scotts the volume started going crazy up and down and changing sources. Turns out my daughter found the app on my wife's iPhone and decided to mess with me a little bit. At first I thought my receiver was defective then later found the sneaky culprit. Extra day of Halloween I guess, all tricks played on me. smile.gif

Andy
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post #713 of 4500
11/2/12 at 11:26am
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Mark,

This remains a curiosity, and I am hoping that when Chris gets his 4520, we will have an additional data point.  To re-cap my observations for thread particiapnts who may not know what we are talking about:

Right before I received the 4520, I performed two final calibrations with the 4311, one standard and one Pro calibration.  The standard calibration calculated a distance for sub2 of approximately 3.5 ft, which is its actual distance for the sub, which is right behind the MLP.  The Pro calibration set the sub2 distance at approximately 10.5 ft, which is significantly different.  BTW, I had done many Pro calibrations with the 4311, and the sub2 distance was always set to this value.  Following the Pro calibration, the bass was always improved by the distance tweak.

When I ran both calibrations (standard and Pro) on the 4520, the sub2 distance was set properly at approximately 3.5 ft for each calibration.  When I tried the distance tweak, I could find no other distance setting that improved the bass response.  Measurements of the bass response using the default distances was quite flat.  Here are the measurements so you can see what I was observing (red is 4311 with default distances, blue is 4311 with tweaked distances, and green is the 4520 with default distances, 1/12 smoothing):


 
The graph shows the 4520 measurement before I embarked on my most recent room treatment project, so the recent addition of treatments is not a factor in the discussion.  I contend that there is something wrong with the Pro calibration on the 4311 WRT the sub distances.  I reported this to Audyssey, and they basically declined to acknowledge this anomaly, saying that both AVR's passed their certification, and offered no explanation of why the 4520 sub distances were different (and more accurate).
 
 

Jerry,

This is definitely a curiosity, and it will be interesting to see how the testing from other 4520 owners progresses. To further clarify what the "distance tweak" is, see the Audyssey Setup Guide post linked in my signature for documents outlining the theory and the "Subwoofer Distance Tweak" procedure in excruciating detail. I don't recall if this was limited to Denon 4311 owners or not, but that is an interesting theory for sure.

Mark
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post #714 of 4500
11/2/12 at 12:49pm
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Jerry,
This is definitely a curiosity, and it will be interesting to see how the testing from other 4520 owners progresses. To further clarify what the "distance tweak" is, see the Audyssey Setup Guide post linked in my signature for documents outlining the theory and the "Subwoofer Distance Tweak" procedure in excruciating detail. I don't recall if this was limited to Denon 4311 owners or not, but that is an interesting theory for sure.
Mark

 

I haven't heard of a 4520 owner with the Pro kit yet, but there will be one soon, I'm sure.  As for the distance tweak, I know of at least one Onkyo user who benefits from it (Kbarnes).

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post #715 of 4500
11/2/12 at 1:39pm
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I haven't heard of a 4520 owner with the Pro kit yet, but there will be one soon, I'm sure.  As for the distance tweak, I know of at least one Onkyo user who benefits from it (Kbarnes).

You're the first:).

By the way, I take it that you'd run the 4311 calibration you plotted with the newest release of the Pro software (3.6) - i.e. the same software was used for both the 4311 and 4520 Pro cals?
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post #716 of 4500
11/2/12 at 1:50pm
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Jerry,

This is definitely a curiosity, and it will be interesting to see how the testing from other 4520 owners progresses. To further clarify what the "distance tweak" is, see the Audyssey Setup Guide post linked in my signature for documents outlining the theory and the "Subwoofer Distance Tweak" procedure in excruciating detail. I don't recall if this was limited to Denon 4311 owners or not, but that is an interesting theory for sure.

Mark

I haven't heard of a 4520 owner with the Pro kit yet, but there will be one soon, I'm sure.  As for the distance tweak, I know of at least one Onkyo user who benefits from it (Kbarnes).

I'm getting the Pro kit with my 4520, ETA 2 weeks....
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post #717 of 4500
11/2/12 at 2:36pm
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You're the first:).
By the way, I take it that you'd run the 4311 calibration you plotted with the newest release of the Pro software (3.6) - i.e. the same software was used for both the 4311 and 4520 Pro cals?

 

That is correct, Stuart.

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post #718 of 4500
11/2/12 at 2:39pm
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I'm getting the Pro kit with my 4520, ETA 2 weeks....

 

Unfortunately, to provide a second data point with regards to the issue I have posted about, one must have a Pro calibration on an XT32 AVR for reference prior to upgrading to the 4520. 

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post #719 of 4500
11/3/12 at 12:41am
I'm not sure if this has been brought up...but I need someone's help. I have an odd problem and I'm wondering if anyone else is having the same thing. When I play any BD with DTS-MA 5.1, it shows up as DTS-MA 7.1 on the 4520CI's display. I can hear the same sound from the left surround,(LS) and left surround back. (LSB) Same goes for the right surround, (RS) and the right surround back (RSB). I even used Disney's WOW audio test in 5.1. Same results. I shouldn't be hearing him say "Right Surround" in both RS and RSB at the same time. But when I play a BD with Dolby TrueHD 5.1....everything is normal. It says 5.1 on the display and I don't hear anything from the back surrounds.

I know if I hold the movie button, I get more sound mode options. I picked DTS-MA and I still get 7.1 when it's supposed to be 5.1. A BD with DTS-MA 7.1 is normal. I never had this problem with my Denon AVR-4308CI
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post #720 of 4500
11/3/12 at 12:44am
Did you enable Dolby IIx?
That spreads the sound to the rear backs.
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