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post #721 of 4525
11/3/12 at 12:47am
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Originally Posted by petetherock View Post

Did you enable Dolby IIx?
That spreads the sound to the rear backs.


No, I didn't enable Dolby IIx

I made sure it says DTS-MA. Not DTS-MA + Dolby IIx


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Oops.. I meant DTS-HD MA

I may have to upload a video to Youtube so you can see what I'm talking about.
Edited by Figarou - 11/3/12 at 1:06am
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post #722 of 4525
11/3/12 at 1:31am
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Originally Posted by Figarou View Post

I'm not sure if this has been brought up...but I need someone's help. I have an odd problem and I'm wondering if anyone else is having the same thing. When I play any BD with DTS-MA 5.1, it shows up as DTS-MA 7.1 on the 4520CI's display. I can hear the same sound from the left surround,(LS) and left surround back. (LSB) Same goes for the right surround, (RS) and the right surround back (RSB). I even used Disney's WOW audio test in 5.1. Same results. I shouldn't be hearing him say "Right Surround" in both RS and RSB at the same time. But when I play a BD with Dolby TrueHD 5.1....everything is normal. It says 5.1 on the display and I don't hear anything from the back surrounds.
I know if I hold the movie button, I get more sound mode options. I picked DTS-MA and I still get 7.1 when it's supposed to be 5.1. A BD with DTS-MA 7.1 is normal. I never had this problem with my Denon AVR-4308CI

What's your source, ie what player?

Could it be a player setting issue?

Does this happen with ALL DTS MA 5.1 soundtracks?
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post #723 of 4525
11/3/12 at 2:09am
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Originally Posted by Figarou View Post

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Originally Posted by petetherock View Post

Did you enable Dolby IIx?
That spreads the sound to the rear backs.


No, I didn't enable Dolby IIx

I made sure it says DTS-MA. Not DTS-MA + Dolby IIx


EDIT

Oops.. I meant DTS-HD MA

I may have to upload a video to Youtube so you can see what I'm talking about.

If by chance you are using a Panasonic Blu-Ray player, a lot of their models do this. It has nothing to do with the 4520.

Let us know make/model so we can verify.

--J
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post #724 of 4525
11/3/12 at 2:10am
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Originally Posted by Woof Woof View Post

What's your source, ie what player?
Could it be a player setting issue?
Does this happen with ALL DTS MA 5.1 soundtracks?

My source players are the Denon DBT-3313UDCI and the PS3. Both is set at bitstream. Any BD with DTS-HD MA 5.1 shows up as 7.1 on the 4520's display no matter which player I'm using.

Even regular DTS 5.1 shows up as 7.1!! confused.gif
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post #725 of 4525
11/3/12 at 2:54am
Well I've just set up my 4520. Replaced my Integra 80.3. Key reasons where to hopefully rid the HTPC HDMI handshake issues that the Integras have and importantly finally passthrough 4K from my HTPC to my 4K VW1000 projector. So far I can't get the PC to see the Denon as 4K capable. I hope I don't end up at a dead end as I did with the 80.3, since this was a much talked about capability of the 4520. I don't see many different settings to control HDMI passthrough on the 4520. I'm about to go back for another session, fingers crossed for the PC 4K passthrough...

EDIT: sorted 4K between accidentally forgetting the 4K setting in ATI catalyst is in the 'basic' resolution settings and taking the Darblet out of the video chain as it's not 4K compat. So finally glorious 4K A/V, what a joy finally. smile.gif
Edited by OzHDHT - 11/3/12 at 3:15am
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post #726 of 4525
11/3/12 at 3:35am
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Originally Posted by Figarou View Post

I'm not sure if this has been brought up...but I need someone's help. I have an odd problem and I'm wondering if anyone else is having the same thing. When I play any BD with DTS-MA 5.1, it shows up as DTS-MA 7.1 on the 4520CI's display. I can hear the same sound from the left surround,(LS) and left surround back. (LSB) Same goes for the right surround, (RS) and the right surround back (RSB). I even used Disney's WOW audio test in 5.1. Same results. I shouldn't be hearing him say "Right Surround" in both RS and RSB at the same time. But when I play a BD with Dolby TrueHD 5.1....everything is normal. It says 5.1 on the display and I don't hear anything from the back surrounds.
I know if I hold the movie button, I get more sound mode options. I picked DTS-MA and I still get 7.1 when it's supposed to be 5.1. A BD with DTS-MA 7.1 is normal. I never had this problem with my Denon AVR-4308CI

This was a feature implemented in the XX12 models as the default setting under the "Surround Back" parameter; however, although this parameter was removed from the XX13 models and 4520CI, the default apparently still remains. If you prefer to turn this feature off, you can likely do so using the remote codes for a XX12 unit copied to a Harmony remote.

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post #727 of 4525
11/3/12 at 6:14am
The 4520 seems to run cooler than the 4311. Anybody else notice this?
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post #728 of 4525
11/3/12 at 7:19am
I had posted this 4 days ago and would like to know if any other owners have been having the same experience.

4520 TONE CONTROL FUNCTION

I have a 4520 (a second unit,first one was returned)
The first one, the tone control only affected the FR and FL speakers, no other.
I contacted DENON and after a few days they called me back to tell me they did not think that was normal.
So I returned the unit and ordered a replacement from a different seller.
Turns out this second unit is doing the same thing, tone control only affects the FR and FL speakers.
There is no effect on all other speakers (Surround,Center,Surround Back etc. etc.)
I have tried the processing modes (widescreen,multi-channel...etc. and the results are all the same)
What I am finding is the tone control only adjusts the FL and FR speakers, the rest of the other speakers/channels are adjusted by the graphic equalizer.
Any one else have similar experiences?
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post #729 of 4525
11/3/12 at 7:19am
I have a Pronto 9600 which supports two way IP control of Denon receivers. Upgraded from my 4306 and noticed that the PWON command works differently than the 4306 in that it turns on all zones 1-4 vs just the main zone. Is there a setting that i have missed on the receiver such that it will only turn on the zones, or preferably just the main zone, that were on the previous time? Otherwise I am going to have to redo the code to send a ZMON
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post #730 of 4525
11/3/12 at 7:43am
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

This was a feature implemented in the XX12 models as the default setting under the "Surround Back" parameter; however, although this parameter was removed from the XX13 models and 4520CI, the default apparently still remains. If you prefer to turn this feature off, you can likely do so using the remote codes for a XX12 unit copied to a Harmony remote.


O_o
Well...I have no idea how to get the remote codes for a XX12 unit.

Unless I buy the RC-1152 remote on Ebay. That or simply go into the manual speaker configuration and turn off the surround backs when playing DTS/DTSHD 5.1

But how did that feature get turned on in the 1st place?
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post #731 of 4525
11/3/12 at 7:52am
^^^

probably the default, to keep people from asking the opposite question as you... smile.gif
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post #732 of 4525
11/3/12 at 8:09am
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

^^^
probably the default, to keep people from asking the opposite question as you... smile.gif

Well...if it's "default," can you or anyone else play something that's in DTS-HD MA 5.1 and see if it shows 7.1 on your 4520's display? I was so used to seeing 5.1 on my 4308CI when I played something in DTS-HD MA 5.1
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post #733 of 4525
11/3/12 at 8:17am
I play a 5.1 track and I get 11.1 - happy as chips with that..
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post #734 of 4525
11/3/12 at 8:35am
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Originally Posted by petetherock View Post

I play a 5.1 track and I get 11.1 - happy as chips with that..

Oh...ok.

I guess my AVR-4520CI is fine then. I was so used to seeing 5.1 when I played DTS-HD MA 5.1 on my AVR-4308CI. The back surrounds wasn't used unless I play a BD with DTS-HD MA 7.1 on the AVR-4308CI
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post #735 of 4525
11/3/12 at 9:15am
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Originally Posted by Figarou View Post

My source players are the Denon DBT-3313UDCI and the PS3. Both is set at bitstream. Any BD with DTS-HD MA 5.1 shows up as 7.1 on the 4520's display no matter which player I'm using.
Even regular DTS 5.1 shows up as 7.1!! confused.gif
How about Denon Link HD?Does this sound better than HDMI audio out? Thanks in advance.smile.gif
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post #736 of 4525
11/3/12 at 9:25am
Is it me? Or did they remove the optical out feature the 4311 had? Why??
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post #737 of 4525
11/3/12 at 9:31am
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Originally Posted by butsu View Post

How about Denon Link HD?Does this sound better than HDMI audio out? Thanks in advance.smile.gif


You still need HDMI out in order for the Denon link HD to work.

This is what it does.
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DBT-3313UD is equipped with Denon Link HD to achieve digital
audio signal transmission with negligible jitter over an HDMI
connection. This technology transmits digital sound by transmitting
the A/V receiver’s master clock signal to the player and
operating the ICs (integrated circuits) on both sides based on
a shared, uniform clock signal. In digital signal transmissions
over conventional HDMI connections, the ICs are operated
with separate clock signals, resulting in considerable jitter
and loss of resolution in the sound. Denon Link HD works not
only with Blu-ray disc but with all HDMI digital output signals,
including DVD, DVD-Audio, Super Audio CD, music CD, and
music streamed from a network. The adoption of Denon Link
HD in the DBT-3313UD achieves more clearly defined sound
localization and a beautifully spacious 3D sound.

This is my 1st time using this connection. I never used "Denon link" in the past. Even though my AVR4308CI has "Denon link 3rd generation," the Denon DVD-2500BTCI has no "Denon link." I can tell you my new setup sounds SOOOOOOO much better!!! biggrin.gif
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post #738 of 4525
11/3/12 at 9:34am
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

^^
To add to your blog post ....
1. Airplay can be played independently to Zones 2/3 rather than hijacking the main zone as is the case with the 4311.
2. The new ACM1HB mic is interchangeable with the DM-A409 mic from the 4311 as well as the ACM1H mic from Marantz and Onkyo AVRs from the past few years.

I can not figure out how to AirPlay to Zone2 or Zone3 independently. Can someone explain how this is done.


Thanks, Mike
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post #739 of 4525
11/3/12 at 9:44am
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Originally Posted by ke4pym View Post

Is it me? Or did they remove the optical out feature the 4311 had? Why??

Denon dropped the optical output starting with the XX12 models.
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post #740 of 4525
11/3/12 at 9:48am
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Originally Posted by MGS24 View Post

I can not figure out how to AirPlay to Zone2 or Zone3 independently. Can someone explain how this is done.
Thanks, Mike

The way it works on the XX13 models is that when Airplay is first selected to Zone 2, it will also play in the main zone; however, once it's playing you should then be able to select another source in the main zone.
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post #741 of 4525
11/3/12 at 10:05am
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

The way it works on the XX13 models is that when Airplay is first selected to Zone 2, it will also play in the main zone; however, once it's playing you should then be able to select another source in the main zone.

Thanks JD, that works. Not the way I wanted. I wanted to be in the Back yard and stream from my iPhone without turning on main zone. With 4311 I was able to do this by going thru Apple TV. But cant do that now because ATV optica/hdmi out no longer passes to zone 2. For my setup seems I may have taken a few steps back.

Mike
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post #742 of 4525
11/3/12 at 10:09am
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=104&cp_id=10423&cs_id=1042302&p_id=6884&seq=1&format=2
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post #743 of 4525
11/3/12 at 11:56am
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Originally Posted by Figarou View Post


Oh...ok.
I guess my AVR-4520CI is fine then. I was so used to seeing 5.1 when I played DTS-HD MA 5.1 on my AVR-4308CI. The back surrounds wasn't used unless I play a BD with DTS-HD MA 7.1 on the AVR-4308CI

 

I reported the behavior with rear surrounds early in this thread.  Rear surrounds are enabled by default, and none of the Movie/Music settings in the drop-down menu allow you to turn the rear surrounds off.  If you don't like the matrixed sound from the rears when playing 5.1 content, you could always go into the speaker configuration menu and set rear surrounds to off.  This is not very convenient, and after I got used to not having direct control over the rear surrounds, I found that having the rear surrounds on all the time no longer bothered me.  Your 4520 is working as designed.

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post #744 of 4525
11/3/12 at 12:55pm
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

I reported the behavior with rear surrounds early in this thread.  Rear surrounds are enabled by default, and none of the Movie/Music settings in the drop-down menu allow you to turn the rear surrounds off.  If you don't like the matrixed sound from the rears when playing 5.1 content, you could always go into the speaker configuration menu and set rear surrounds to off.  This is not very convenient, and after I got used to not having direct control over the rear surrounds, I found that having the rear surrounds on all the time no longer bothered me.  Your 4520 is working as designed.

Ok...thanks.

I'm glad someone else noticed it. I had no idea Denon changed this feature since I was stuck with the AVR-4308CI for a while. I might as well get used to the matrixed back surrounds. If I turn off the back surrounds, I may forget to turn it on when playing DTS-HD MA 7.1

I need to thoroughly read this thread on my laptop instead of my smart phone. This way I won't miss anything else.
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post #745 of 4525
11/3/12 at 3:56pm
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Originally Posted by bird man View Post

I had posted this 4 days ago and would like to know if any other owners have been having the same experience.
4520 TONE CONTROL FUNCTION
I have a 4520 (a second unit,first one was returned)
The first one, the tone control only affected the FR and FL speakers, no other.
I contacted DENON and after a few days they called me back to tell me they did not think that was normal.
So I returned the unit and ordered a replacement from a different seller.
Turns out this second unit is doing the same thing, tone control only affects the FR and FL speakers.
There is no effect on all other speakers (Surround,Center,Surround Back etc. etc.)
I have tried the processing modes (widescreen,multi-channel...etc. and the results are all the same)
What I am finding is the tone control only adjusts the FL and FR speakers, the rest of the other speakers/channels are adjusted by the graphic equalizer.
Any one else have similar experiences?

I don't have 4520ci (yet), but I thought this was an important question, so I glanced though the manual. You may already have tried the following so not sure if my reply is going to help, but just trying to keep your question "alive" for others who actually have the unit can chime in.

If Dynamic EQ is ON, or if you have DSD or pure direct, you can't do tone control. This obviously is not your case since you can do tone control for the front two channels. If your listeinig mode is stereo in any zone (even if your input signal is multi-channel), only front two channels can have tone control for that specific zone. Try multichannel stereo and see if it helps. Denon's chart for Tone cotrol functionality shows:

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post #746 of 4525
11/3/12 at 4:27pm
Did a little extra testing... this whole 4k blows... I thought somehow either the Oppo 103 or the Denon could pass a signal to my Samsung non 4k TV. Actually when I set the Oppo to 4k, the Denon automatically downscales it to 1080/60 to send over to the TV. Found it out when I sent a signal direct to the TV instead.
As for the video quality, IMO, the video chip in the Oppo is a hint better, and BTW, there are differences in HDMI cable quality. My Audioquest Cinnamon is significantly better than the Monoprice 24WG one... didn't think I would notice it that much.
And I think the 4520 has a better video chip than that in the 4311.

Cheers.
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post #747 of 4525
11/3/12 at 4:57pm
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Originally Posted by petetherock View Post

Did a little extra testing... this whole 4k blows... I thought somehow either the Oppo 103 or the Denon could pass a signal to my Samsung non 4k TV. Actually when I set the Oppo to 4k, the Denon automatically downscales it to 1080/60 to send over to the TV. Found it out when I sent a signal direct to the TV instead.
As for the video quality, IMO, the video chip in the Oppo is a hint better, and BTW, there are differences in HDMI cable quality. My Audioquest Cinnamon is significantly better than the Monoprice 24WG one... didn't think I would notice it that much.
And I think the 4520 has a better video chip than that in the 4311.
Cheers.
Thanks for letting us all know up front not to take any of your comments about video quality seriously.
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post #748 of 4525
11/3/12 at 5:01pm
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Originally Posted by Stereodude View Post

Thanks for letting us all know up front not to take any of your comments about video quality seriously.

And you belong to the cables and amps don't matter school. I won't get into an argument on that mate... you have your views, I have mine. And you are certainly welcome to take my comments with a bucket of salt.
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post #749 of 4525
11/4/12 at 3:20am
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57540275-221/still-more-reasons-why-all-hdmi-cable-are-the-same/
All HDMI cables are the same unless they are very long in which case no signal will make it through.
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post #750 of 4525
11/4/12 at 3:49am
@pete...

i'm not really sure what you are trying to accomplish, attempting to pass 4k to a non-4k set... even if you could make it work (which is unlikely, the sink would have to report that it can accept a 4k source, and i doubt any native 1080p sets will do that), it would be completely pointless...

the only thing i'll add on hdmi cables is that i am picky about video, and i use the cheapest ones that will pass a signal...
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