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post #751 of 4515
11/4/12 at 4:09am
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

@pete...
i'm not really sure what you are trying to accomplish, attempting to pass 4k to a non-4k set... even if you could make it work (which is unlikely, the sink would have to report that it can accept a 4k source, and i doubt any native 1080p sets will do that), it would be completely pointless...
the only thing i'll add on hdmi cables is that i am picky about video, and i use the cheapest ones that will pass a signal...

Well I was just trying out this function, curious mainly.
As for cables and amps, I reckon over on your side of the pond, there is a large belief about the lack of difference in sound between cables/ amps of different makes, and much has been posted, argued etc on this. This is the 4520 thread, so I won't want it covered with yet another similar pointless debate. Suffice to say, I saw a difference, and I am happy to pay for the more expensive Audioquest cables. In fact I have ordered some to be collect in my hotel.

Again, horses for course, and feel free to take my observation with as much salt or whatever as you please, cheers and keep warm over there. It's a lot hotter down under...
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post #752 of 4515
11/4/12 at 4:45am
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Originally Posted by Theresa View Post

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57540275-221/still-more-reasons-why-all-hdmi-cable-are-the-same/
All HDMI cables are the same unless they are very long in which case no signal will make it through.
No, no, no... Cheap cables have random errors that just happen to mimic DSP operations on the data to make organized changes to the data going over the cable.
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post #753 of 4515
11/4/12 at 5:08am

Guys, this is the 4520 thread.  If you want to discuss the impact on sound of various cables, please start a seaparate thread.

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post #754 of 4515
11/4/12 at 5:47am
Bringing some closure to what I started in post #506, "using HDMI for zone 1 video/audio - typical cable box, can you also send the audio to the 2nd zone" http://www.avsforum.com/t/1430049/the-official-denon-avr-4520ci-thread/690#post_22547282
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

The easiest way would be to also connect analog RCA cables from the cable box in addition to the HDMI for the main zone and then you can connect the pool table speakers to the Amp Assign speaker posts set to Zone 2 or 3. Or if you plan a full 9.2 setup, then connect the Zone 2 or 3 pre-outs to an external 2CH amp and connect the pool table speakers to that 2CH amp.
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

^^^
hook up your cable box without analog audio cables to the avr (on a different input)...
ship that input to zone 2...
edit: as usual, the lightning fast fingers of jd beat me to the punch... redface.gif
second edit: REAL nice playground you got there.. smile.gif
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Originally Posted by mtbdudex View Post

I'll try the above tonight and see, thx both of you
Sent from my 32GB iPhone4 using Tapatalk

I posted this in the 4308CI thread Feb-2012 post # 4897, tried cable box audio out settings then, and could not get my Motorola DCH3416 ( comcast cable) to do it.
Just tried again yesterday - no luck, so drop back 10 and punt.

For those like me with Motorola DCH3416 generation cable box can't pass audio on the HDMI and other outs (analog 2 ch or optical toslink) at same time.....
Hence I was hoping the 4520CI could map that HDMI audio signal to zone1 speakers and zone2 speakers.

Like I said before, what confuses me is I can map non-HMDI source to Zone1 speakers and Zone2 speakers same time.....
I never go definitive answer WHY it can't be done for HDMI source audio.

So, IF the 4520CI has not been improved in this regard related to the 4308CI, that is my "closure" frown.gif
(I'll re-confirm with my 4520CI in 2 weeks actual)

Below is copy/paste from 4308CI thread Feb-2012 post # 4897:
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Originally Posted by mtbdudex View Post

So, big Super Bowl game, I've got 5 families over, 24 people.

Game was on in the home theatre, 130" big. Feed is Comcast HDTV via hdmi to my 4308.
I tried and tried to get zone 2 to output the cable sound, but it would not.
If I use source as hd radio, or USB/net I can do it. (play same source in main and zones)
Is there hdmi copy protection that's keeping the audio form going to both main and zone2?
Arghhhhh.
Did you check if the zone was turned on? thru the remote, pressing amp, you can check if it is on.
all the best,

Michael
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

The only AVRs on the market today that will pass HDMI audio to Zone 2 are the Yamaha Aventage series. The vast majority are limited to only analog input sources while the 4308CI is one of only a handful of AVRs that can also pass PCM 2.0 over optical or digital coax to Zone 2. To resolve your issue, also connect an analog cable from the cable box to the analog input jacks labeled the same as the source name used for the HDMI cable box input.

Edited by mtbdudex - 11/4/12 at 7:23am
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post #755 of 4515
11/4/12 at 6:30am
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Originally Posted by Figarou View Post

You still need HDMI out in order for the Denon link HD to work.
This is what it does.
This is my 1st time using this connection. I never used "Denon link" in the past. Even though my AVR4308CI has "Denon link 3rd generation," the Denon DVD-2500BTCI has no "Denon link." I can tell you my new setup sounds SOOOOOOO much better!!! biggrin.gif


Hi, I am contemplating an upgrade to the same combination of AVR-4520 receiver and DBT-3313 Blu-ray

Currently have a Denon AVR-2310, Panasonic Blu-Ray, and Marantz .CD6003 CD Player, Sonos ZP90 connected via digital connection, using a mixture of speakers( Yamaha NS1000M - 30 years old and still working fine as fronts ), B&W Centres and surrounds, and REL Sub-woofer)

This is an attempt to get a simplified setup ( less cable clutter), better CD sound performance and better Home Theatre Blu-ray performance ( although the panasonic is a very good player). Would very much like to hear about your findings, especially for 2 channel music ( typically use Pure Direct on current system).

I am upgrading my front speakers to replace my Yamaha's, with VAF Signature i33's and thought it may also be a good time to upgrade to source side of things as well.

I live in Australia and the new receiverand Blu-Ray has only just been announced, so not sure yet about availabity yet.

Any feedback very much appreciated.
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post #756 of 4515
11/4/12 at 11:52am
Hi all, I'm new to this forum as an actual user but I have been reading this thread for a while as I am now also an owner of the AVR-4520CI. I am very satisfied with my purchase.
I would like to mention that I also have observed the fact that any DTS signal that the AVR receives automatically activates the surround back. I noticed that when the speaker icons on the display are set to display the output, the surround back icons light up when receiving any kind of 5.1 DTS signal (DTS, DTS 96/24, DTS HD Master 5.1, etc.). So I am not sure if it is a bug or a feature but I personnaly like to have my surround back on at all times. So everytime I have a 5.1 signal, I set the sound mode so something gets output to the surround back anyway.

Now, I think I have found a real issue. I need other people to confirm this. I already contacted Denon about it and they are supposed to investigate:
When you log on the AVR-4520 web page to save the settings, well something goes wrong. If you go in the setup menu, then General, then Save and that you click on save config, the web page hangs for a while, which seems to be normal. However, the web page states: "FL display "Saving" after POWER LED lit red.". Well this doesn't happen for me, nothing gets displayed on the unit. After a while of waiting, I get a prompt to donwmload a config.dat file. I do so and I end up with a 726 kB file on my hard drive. Then the unit restarts.

If I look at this file with an Hex editor, I see that it contains only 0s. So 726kB worth of 0s. To me this doesn't look like a settings file! I don't even want to try doing a load operation with this file because I'm pretty sure it'll brick my receiver.

I tried doing the operation with the unit being ON or OFF and on different inputs and always the same result.

Did any of you guys were able to actually save settings? If so, did you try to actually load them back on the unit?

Thanks in advance for any help on this.
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post #757 of 4515
11/4/12 at 12:16pm
As mentioned in a post earlier this week, the DTS "issue" is not a bug, rather works as designed. Regarding the SAVE issue, that is a known issue with Denon AVRs, although can likely be resolved by trying the tips listed in the link below (noting it references the file size of a XX13 model). When correctly saved, the file will have some non-zero data, otherwise if all zeros you don't want to try to load it (although IIRC, doing so on the previous year models simply results in an error displayed that it cannot be loaded).

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1334369/the-official-denon-avr-xx12-model-owners-thread/0_100#user_E10
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post #758 of 4515
11/4/12 at 12:21pm
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Originally Posted by kaphely View Post

Now, I think I have found a real issue. I need other people to confirm this. I already contacted Denon about it and they are supposed to investigate:
When you log on the AVR-4520 web page to save the settings, well something goes wrong. If you go in the setup menu, then General, then Save and that you click on save config, the web page hangs for a while, which seems to be normal. However, the web page states: "FL display "Saving" after POWER LED lit red.". Well this doesn't happen for me, nothing gets displayed on the unit. After a while of waiting, I get a prompt to donwmload a config.dat file. I do so and I end up with a 726 kB file on my hard drive. Then the unit restarts.

If I look at this file with an Hex editor, I see that it contains only 0s. So 726kB worth of 0s. To me this doesn't look like a settings file! I don't even want to try doing a load operation with this file because I'm pretty sure it'll brick my receiver.

I tried doing the operation with the unit being ON or OFF and on different inputs and always the same result.

Read this post: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1430049/the-official-denon-avr-4520ci-thread/350_50#post_22487485
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post #759 of 4515
11/4/12 at 1:28pm
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Originally Posted by kaphely View Post


Now, I think I have found a real issue. I need other people to confirm this. I already contacted Denon about it and they are supposed to investigate:
When you log on the AVR-4520 web page to save the settings, well something goes wrong. If you go in the setup menu, then General, then Save and that you click on save config, the web page hangs for a while, which seems to be normal. However, the web page states: "FL display "Saving" after POWER LED lit red.". Well this doesn't happen for me, nothing gets displayed on the unit. After a while of waiting, I get a prompt to donwmload a config.dat file. I do so and I end up with a 726 kB file on my hard drive. Then the unit restarts.
If I look at this file with an Hex editor, I see that it contains only 0s. So 726kB worth of 0s. To me this doesn't look like a settings file! I don't even want to try doing a load operation with this file because I'm pretty sure it'll brick my receiver.
I tried doing the operation with the unit being ON or OFF and on different inputs and always the same result.
Did any of you guys were able to actually save settings? If so, did you try to actually load them back on the unit?
Thanks in advance for any help on this.

 

I have had the 4520 for over a month, and have saved settings successfully several times.  Please follow the tips in the link JD provided, especially turning off the "network on in standby mode" for when you do the save.  We have been living with the idiosyncrasies  of Denon's network save for so long, we don't consider it a bug, it's just the way it works.  Look on the bright side--if you had an Onkyo, you wouldn't even have a network save function.

 

Stick with us--we'll make sure you get a successful save.

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post #760 of 4515
11/4/12 at 2:05pm
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Originally Posted by kaphely View Post

Hi all, I'm new to this forum as an actual user but I have been reading this thread for a while as I am now also an owner of the AVR-4520CI. I am very satisfied with my purchase.
I would like to mention that I also have observed the fact that any DTS signal that the AVR receives automatically activates the surround back. I noticed that when the speaker icons on the display are set to display the output, the surround back icons light up when receiving any kind of 5.1 DTS signal (DTS, DTS 96/24, DTS HD Master 5.1, etc.). So I am not sure if it is a bug or a feature but I personnaly like to have my surround back on at all times. So everytime I have a 5.1 signal, I set the sound mode so something gets output to the surround back anyway.
Now, I think I have found a real issue. I need other people to confirm this. I already contacted Denon about it and they are supposed to investigate:
When you log on the AVR-4520 web page to save the settings, well something goes wrong. If you go in the setup menu, then General, then Save and that you click on save config, the web page hangs for a while, which seems to be normal. However, the web page states: "FL display "Saving" after POWER LED lit red.". Well this doesn't happen for me, nothing gets displayed on the unit. After a while of waiting, I get a prompt to donwmload a config.dat file. I do so and I end up with a 726 kB file on my hard drive. Then the unit restarts.
If I look at this file with an Hex editor, I see that it contains only 0s. So 726kB worth of 0s. To me this doesn't look like a settings file! I don't even want to try doing a load operation with this file because I'm pretty sure it'll brick my receiver.
I tried doing the operation with the unit being ON or OFF and on different inputs and always the same result.
Did any of you guys were able to actually save settings? If so, did you try to actually load them back on the unit?
Thanks in advance for any help on this.

I've been able to save, and restore. Opening in notepad the config is pretty populated . .
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post #761 of 4515
11/4/12 at 4:12pm
Glad I asked here! I wasn't aware about the fact that leaving the network setting to always ON was causing Save/load issue. I disabled it, turned off the AVR, then turned it back on and after that I was able to save successfully. So big thanks to all that answered and pointed me in the right direction. Now I'll let Denon know on their facebook page that I solved the issue by doing that. They didn't seem to know about this.

So thanks again!
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post #762 of 4515
11/4/12 at 4:35pm
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Originally Posted by kaphely View Post

Glad I asked here! I wasn't aware about the fact that leaving the network setting to always ON was causing Save/load issue. I disabled it, turned off the AVR, then turned it back on and after that I was able to save successfully. So big thanks to all that answered and pointed me in the right direction. Now I'll let Denon know on their facebook page that I solved the issue by doing that. They didn't seem to know about this.
So thanks again!

Nice!
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post #763 of 4515
11/4/12 at 4:47pm
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Originally Posted by pmcduie View Post

Hi, I am contemplating an upgrade to the same combination of AVR-4520 receiver and DBT-3313 Blu-ray
Currently have a Denon AVR-2310, Panasonic Blu-Ray, and Marantz .CD6003 CD Player, Sonos ZP90 connected via digital connection, using a mixture of speakers( Yamaha NS1000M - 30 years old and still working fine as fronts ), B&W Centres and surrounds, and REL Sub-woofer)
This is an attempt to get a simplified setup ( less cable clutter), better CD sound performance and better Home Theatre Blu-ray performance ( although the panasonic is a very good player). Would very much like to hear about your findings, especially for 2 channel music ( typically use Pure Direct on current system).
I am upgrading my front speakers to replace my Yamaha's, with VAF Signature i33's and thought it may also be a good time to upgrade to source side of things as well.
I live in Australia and the new receiverand Blu-Ray has only just been announced, so not sure yet about availabity yet.
Any feedback very much appreciated.


I also wanted a "simplified setup." Here is what I did.

I have the same bookshelf speakers all the way around. (Klipsch RB-75) (My center is an RC 62. An RB-75 won't fit in the space below the HDTV.) Why? I have several reasons. All my speakers are set for small and the crossover is at 80. This way the subwoofers can handle all the bass. I don't want to put a strain on my receiver since you need more power for bass. Sure.....I could get a separate power amp. But that means more components. I don't want to many things cluttering up my component rack since I'm limited on space.

Next.....since it's equal power....why not have the exact same speakers. When sound goes from one speaker to the other, there is no tone change. If all the speakers are mis-matched, it'll sound different when sound moves from front to rear. Having them all the same eliminates that.

I also rotate my speakers!! Since my back surrounds don't get much use, I move them to the front after a couple of months. Then the fronts goes to the sides, and the sides goes to the back. biggrin.gif

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To me, this gives me better CD sound performance and better Home Theater Blu-ray performance. I know some may disagree. But I'm happy with what I got.

I think you'll like the DBT-3313UDCI and the AVR-4520CI since they are a perfect match.

The app for the Android phone works on both the AVR-4520CI AND the DBT-3313UDCI. You need to turn on the HDMI control in order to control the DBT-3313UDCI with the app. The AVR-4520CI works by connecting it to a network.
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post #764 of 4515
11/4/12 at 6:42pm
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

Nice!

Thanks Jerry
I also bookmarked your network tip too.
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post #765 of 4515
11/4/12 at 7:11pm
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Originally Posted by bird man View Post

I had posted this 4 days ago and would like to know if any other owners have been having the same experience.
4520 TONE CONTROL FUNCTION
I have a 4520 (a second unit,first one was returned)
The first one, the tone control only affected the FR and FL speakers, no other.
I contacted DENON and after a few days they called me back to tell me they did not think that was normal.
So I returned the unit and ordered a replacement from a different seller.
Turns out this second unit is doing the same thing, tone control only affects the FR and FL speakers.
There is no effect on all other speakers (Surround,Center,Surround Back etc. etc.)
I have tried the processing modes (widescreen,multi-channel...etc. and the results are all the same)
What I am finding is the tone control only adjusts the FL and FR speakers, the rest of the other speakers/channels are adjusted by the graphic equalizer.
Any one else have similar experiences?

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I don't have 4520ci (yet), but I thought this was an important question, so I glanced though the manual. You may already have tried the following so not sure if my reply is going to help, but just trying to keep your question "alive" for others who actually have the unit can chime in.
If Dynamic EQ is ON, or if you have DSD or pure direct, you can't do tone control. This obviously is not your case since you can do tone control for the front two channels. If your listeinig mode is stereo in any zone (even if your input signal is multi-channel), only front two channels can have tone control for that specific zone. Try multichannel stereo and see if it helps. Denon's chart for Tone cotrol functionality shows:


Thanks for responding Jigesh!!
My Dynamic EQ , Pure Direct functions are off.
The tone function affecting only the FL and FR speakers occurs under all modes (multi-channel,Dolby Digital, All MUSIC MODES).
This is a second unit already and the first one did the same thing.
Seems to me the tone control should affect all channels, it is what a user would expect.
I would like to know if any other owners have the same experience or not.
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post #766 of 4515
11/4/12 at 7:51pm
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Thanks for responding Jigesh!!
My Dynamic EQ , Pure Direct functions are off.
The tone function affecting only the FL and FR speakers occurs under all modes (multi-channel,Dolby Digital, All MUSIC MODES).
This is a second unit already and the first one did the same thing.
Seems to me the tone control should affect all channels, it is what a user would expect.
I would like to know if any other owners have the same experience or not.

 

I have to admit, this is one of the more obscure requests I have encountered.  It took me a few minutes to think of how to test this out.  Here is what I did:

 

- Selected a bandwidth-limited pink noise test from the DVE Blu-ray.

- Set the output mode to 5-channel stereo

- Turned off DEQ so that the tone control option was enabled

- Turned on the tone control option

- Powered off my XPA-3 so that the front channels were not playing

- Listened to the pink noise from the surround channels

- Adjusted the bass and treble controls from -6 to +6

 

Result:  the tone controls had no effect on the surround channels.

 

Just to be sure, I turned the XPA-3 back on, changed the output mode to stereo, and adjusted the tone controls while listening to the front channels only.

 

Result:  the tone controls indeed had an effect.

 

So, now that I have demonstrated that this is how the 4520 works, what will you do with this information?  I don't think the 4520 is defective.  I honestly can't think of any scenario in which I would turn DEQ off and use the tone control to adjust the sound of the surround channels.  Perhaps you could share an example in which this might be important to you?

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post #767 of 4515
11/4/12 at 9:06pm
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

This was a feature implemented in the XX12 models as the default setting under the "Surround Back" parameter; however, although this parameter was removed from the XX13 models and 4520CI, the default apparently still remains. If you prefer to turn this feature off, you can likely do so using the remote codes for a XX12 unit copied to a Harmony remote.

so is there a way to do this without having to buy a Harmony remote - Maybe using the Denon App on an iPhone or, some other iphone ap ? (I'd rather not have to buy a Harmony remote just to do this!)
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post #768 of 4515
11/5/12 at 3:17am
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Originally Posted by bird man View Post

Thanks for responding Jigesh!!
My Dynamic EQ , Pure Direct functions are off.
The tone function affecting only the FL and FR speakers occurs under all modes (multi-channel,Dolby Digital, All MUSIC MODES).
This is a second unit already and the first one did the same thing.
Seems to me the tone control should affect all channels, it is what a user would expect.
I would like to know if any other owners have the same experience or not.

It looks like your unit performs in a similar way other units out there perform based on AustinJerry's testing. If you want, you may do a a testing with source that has 5.1 audio channels recorded on it (say, a DVD-A with DTS track being played).
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....I honestly can't think of any scenario in which I would turn DEQ off and use the tone control to adjust the sound of the surround channels.  Perhaps you could share an example in which this might be important to you?...

Most users would be using, if at all, tone control in the front channels; perhaps this user wants to have more manual (not equalized) control on other speakers or is just curious. I don't use these controls myself and am not sure if any other home theatre receiver with some sort of audio equalization features would allow tone control in surround channels though based on a similar discussion here, it appears Onkyo's selected models allow this, for example, see paragraph just above "Setup" section here in TX-SR875 review.
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post #769 of 4515
11/5/12 at 3:30am
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Originally Posted by papa_laz View Post

so is there a way to do this without having to buy a Harmony remote - Maybe using the Denon App on an iPhone or, some other iphone ap ? (I'd rather not have to buy a Harmony remote just to do this!)

You can just go into the [Speakers - Manual Setup - Speaker Config] menu and set the "Surr Back" setting to "None", although if you have a 7.1 or higher setup, not sure why you would want to do this?
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post #770 of 4515
11/5/12 at 5:06am
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Originally Posted by papa_laz View Post

so is there a way to do this without having to buy a Harmony remote - Maybe using the Denon App on an iPhone or, some other iphone ap ? (I'd rather not have to buy a Harmony remote just to do this!)

Well, I have a Harmony remote. I programmed it with the discrete code to toggle the rear surrounds on and off (from my 4311, which now lives in my bedroom). The code does not work on the 4520. So, as JD says, the only way I can see to turn off the rear surrounds is to use the speaker configuration in the menu. However, as I have said before, now that I am used to having the rear surrounds on all the time, I don't find this undesirable.

Bottom line: don't buy the Harmony to fix the problem, because it won't.
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post #771 of 4515
11/5/12 at 7:55am
Anybody figured out a way to change the channel levels using a harmony remote? I currently change the levels with my iPhone using a telnet app to connect to the AVR via port 23 and using the RS232 protocol commands, but it is not very practical to have to type CVSW UP or CVSW DOWN everytime I want to fine tune the sub level for the content I'm watching. And I find it too long to actually go in the Audio menu and change the subwoofer volume when I want to fine tune on the fly.

I tried with my original AVR-2807 remote that can do it on the actual AVR-2807 but it doesn't work on the AVR-4520. Any other receiver model I could load in my harmony remote to do it?

Thanks in advance.
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post #772 of 4515
11/5/12 at 9:31am
Thread Starter 
kaphely -- the CH LEVEL button no longer works on the new models (xx13 / 4520), so the only "normal" way to do it would be using the test tones in the speaker setup menu.

you can also access channel levels on the fly using the web browser function, and it's also worth noting that, in the AUDIO section of the GUI, you can directly adjust SW1/SW2 volume and also tweak the dialogue level. So if all you are worried about is the bass level and the dialogue level (which are the two things that most folks really want to tweak) you can just use the AUDIO menu.

if you want to get more granular in tweaking channel levels, the only way to do it (because the CH LEVEL overlay is gone) is to add the channel level discrete volume codes to your Harmony. see here for more info: http://batpigworld.com/wp/?p=106
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post #773 of 4515
11/5/12 at 9:34am
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by bird man View Post

The tone function affecting only the FL and FR speakers occurs under all modes (multi-channel,Dolby Digital, All MUSIC MODES).
This is a second unit already and the first one did the same thing.
Seems to me the tone control should affect all channels, it is what a user would expect.
I would like to know if any other owners have the same experience or not.

I've heard of other receivers behaving this way too (tone controls only affecting FR/FL mains).

as others have noted, on modern Denons nobody really uses the tone controls anyway because they are using Dynamic EQ. If they DO use tone controls, it's generally because they want to tweak 2ch music listening (in which case this issue is moot).

the thing is, if you want to get crazy tweaking tone manually, you can simply use the manual "Graphic EQ" function which will allow you much finer control over the tone.
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post #774 of 4515
11/5/12 at 9:39am
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by mtbdudex View Post

Like I said before, what confuses me is I can map non-HMDI source to Zone1 speakers and Zone2 speakers same time.....
I never go definitive answer WHY it can't be done for HDMI source audio.

I think, fundamentally, it's simply an issue of cost savings. In case you aren't aware, essentially EVERY SINGLE receiver in the world works this way -- HDMI audio to independent Zone 2 just doesn't really exist. There are some receivers (Yamaha only AFAIK) that can do a "party mode" which will provide a stereo downmix of HDMI audio to other zones, but this requires all zones to be playing the same signal. Pretty much every other receiver just doesn't allow digital audio to other zones, period.

The thing is, in order to implement this as a true independent Zone HDMI output (not a simple "party mode") the manufacturer would need to implement a complete second HDMI decoding path, which is the only way to have one HDMI source playing in main zone while outputting a second source to other zones. That adds additional cost and complexity (as well as potential HDMI handshake headaches) and there isn't much incentive to do it when you can simply route a few analog RCA cables for those external sources you wish to output to Zone 2.

Again, this is how everyone does it -- the vast majority of users don't even use multizone features, and this allows mfgr's to advertise "Multizone!" as a feature and then let the user figure out the limitations later on when they get the receiver home and read the fine print.
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post #775 of 4515
11/5/12 at 4:40pm
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kaphely -- the CH LEVEL button no longer works on the new models (xx13 / 4520), so the only "normal" way to do it would be using the test tones in the speaker setup menu.
you can also access channel levels on the fly using the web browser function, and it's also worth noting that, in the AUDIO section of the GUI, you can directly adjust SW1/SW2 volume and also tweak the dialogue level. So if all you are worried about is the bass level and the dialogue level (which are the two things that most folks really want to tweak) you can just use the AUDIO menu.
if you want to get more granular in tweaking channel levels, the only way to do it (because the CH LEVEL overlay is gone) is to add the channel level discrete volume codes to your Harmony. see here for more info: http://batpigworld.com/wp/?p=106

Thanks BatPig, the link you provided was exactly what I was looking for. I now have total control over the channel volumes using my Harmony 880 remote. I'll check out your page as it seems to contain interresting data about Denon AVR's!

So thanks again!
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11/5/12 at 5:16pm
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great! smile.gif out of curiosity, which approach did you use? Did you end up adding all of the channel volume discrete codes, and if so, how (e.g. did you email Harmony tech support or load them yourself)?
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post #777 of 4515
11/5/12 at 5:27pm
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Thanks BatPig, the link you provided was exactly what I was looking for. I now have total control over the channel volumes using my Harmony 880 remote. I'll check out your page as it seems to contain interresting data about Denon AVR's!
So thanks again!
Would like to know too, how everyone setups up their Logitech.

I just got a 700, and it's my first with the Denon, so any tips are great, thanks.
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post #778 of 4515
11/5/12 at 5:51pm
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great! smile.gif out of curiosity, which approach did you use? Did you end up adding all of the channel volume discrete codes, and if so, how (e.g. did you email Harmony tech support or load them yourself)?

I did it myself using the Denon Hex Gen tool to convert the pronto codes into hex. Then I used the harmony web site and the HexToHarmony tool. It worked right away and is super simple to do considering I am an embedded Firmware Engineer and that I have always tweaked my Harmony remotes so I get the buttons and layout I want. I always found that when you add a device to a Harmony remote, you get tons of junk on the remote, too many unuseful buttons (some of them sometimes not even working or not even making sense for the device) and always lacking some useful ones like channel levels or surround modes. So I always do some code learning and layout organization when I set up my remotes with new devices.

For somebody not used to tweak an Harmony remote or not used to play with raw data like the pronto codes and their Hex conversion, it might be a little confusing at first, but since the procedure is well documented, I think anyone can do it.

Now that I know how to do this, my Harmony remote might get more powerful than ever! So thanks again for providing the link to,your page BatPig.
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post #779 of 4515
11/7/12 at 7:56am
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Would like to know too, how everyone setups up their Logitech.
I just got a 700, and it's my first with the Denon, so any tips are great, thanks.

Pick AVR-4311ci even though it's a AVR-4520ci (their database isn't updated for this new model yet), relearn "power on"command from remote so it doesn't put on every zone. Learn instapreview . . that's about it.

I have a Harmony 1100, I added a few random buttons here and there though, but overall same stuff.

When doing real programming of the unit I still use the org remote (or use a computer tied into the IP address through a browser). When watching a movie I use the harmony without issue.
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11/7/12 at 7:59am
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I did it myself using the Denon Hex Gen tool to convert the pronto codes into hex. Then I used the harmony web site and the HexToHarmony tool. It worked right away and is super simple to do considering I am an embedded Firmware Engineer and that I have always tweaked my Harmony remotes so I get the buttons and layout I want. I always found that when you add a device to a Harmony remote, you get tons of junk on the remote, too many unuseful buttons (some of them sometimes not even working or not even making sense for the device) and always lacking some useful ones like channel levels or surround modes. So I always do some code learning and layout organization when I set up my remotes with new devices.
For somebody not used to tweak an Harmony remote or not used to play with raw data like the pronto codes and their Hex conversion, it might be a little confusing at first, but since the procedure is well documented, I think anyone can do it.
Now that I know how to do this, my Harmony remote might get more powerful than ever! So thanks again for providing the link to,your page BatPig.

While your at it, want to figure out how to change the icons for the 1100 to something else then what is offered in the baseline config. The only custom uploaded icons we can load is favorite channels, everything else is locked down to "their" icons?

Pretty please biggrin.gif
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