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post #781 of 4491
11/7/12 at 10:04am
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I did it myself using the Denon Hex Gen tool to convert the pronto codes into hex. Then I used the harmony web site and the HexToHarmony tool. It worked right away and is super simple to do considering I am an embedded Firmware Engineer and that I have always tweaked my Harmony remotes so I get the buttons and layout I want. I always found that when you add a device to a Harmony remote, you get tons of junk on the remote, too many unuseful buttons (some of them sometimes not even working or not even making sense for the device) and always lacking some useful ones like channel levels or surround modes. So I always do some code learning and layout organization when I set up my remotes with new devices.

For somebody not used to tweak an Harmony remote or not used to play with raw data like the pronto codes and their Hex conversion, it might be a little confusing at first, but since the procedure is well documented, I think anyone can do it.

Now that I know how to do this, my Harmony remote might get more powerful than ever! So thanks again for providing the link to,your page BatPig.


That is so awesome smile.gif Thanks for reporting back! I haven't yet attempted to use the HexToHarmony tool, but I think I will give it a shot. It's so sweet that there is finally a real alternative to buying a second pronto-capable remote or relying on Harmony tech support.

And I agree with you about Harmony tweaking -- the first thing I do when I add a new device is comb through the list of commands and delete the junk, then reorganize so I get a sensible layout that pares the "extra" commands down to 2-3 pages max on the LCD screen.
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post #782 of 4491
11/7/12 at 10:04am
In preparation for a trip to the Grand Ol Opry, I was at my PC refreshing my memory with iTunes on some of the artists I was about to hear. Except when I double clicked the song, no sound !!! Meanwhile, in the other room, where the sound was playing (Airplay on the Denon), the rest of the family was missing the end of the movie they were watching. smile.gif
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post #783 of 4491
11/7/12 at 10:29am
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Pick AVR-4311ci even though it's a AVR-4520ci (their database isn't updated for this new model yet), relearn "power on"command from remote so it doesn't put on every zone. Learn instapreview . . that's about it.
I have a Harmony 1100, I added a few random buttons here and there though, but overall same stuff.
When doing real programming of the unit I still use the org remote (or use a computer tied into the IP address through a browser). When watching a movie I use the harmony without issue.

 

I would also add three buttons for QuickSelect1-3.

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post #784 of 4491
11/7/12 at 3:50pm
What's this about the power on function? I don't quite get it - you mean the typical "on" button won't work on the logitech?

BTW that new AV 8801 looks very interesting... wonder how much difference will it sound..
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post #785 of 4491
11/7/12 at 3:52pm
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What's this about the power on function? I don't quite get it - you mean the typical "on" button won't work on the logitech?

this was discussed in prior posts by AustinJerry -- the old code for "PowerON" which used to just turn on the main zone on the 4311 now turns on ALL FOUR zones on the 4520. So if you don't want your Harmony to turn on all four zones every time you power on the 4520, you need to "teach" the new "PowerON" command for main zone to your Harmony from the 4520 remote.

more broadly, the point is that you can use the AVR 4311CI device profile as your starting point, and then tweak as needed by "learning" commands from the 4520 factory remote and/or custom discretes as we were just discussing above.
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post #786 of 4491
11/7/12 at 4:10pm
Thanks Mate, looks like more fancy PC programming work... sigh...
Will try and see later, or is there a script or steps I can borrow...
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post #787 of 4491
11/7/12 at 4:47pm
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it's really not that fancy, it's a basic function of the normal Harmony software. Just go to the device profile you added for the Denon AVR and click the "Learn IR" button, it walks you through the steps. Really very easy.
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post #788 of 4491
11/7/12 at 6:14pm
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

this was discussed in prior posts by AustinJerry -- the old code for "PowerON" which used to just turn on the main zone on the 4311 now turns on ALL FOUR zones on the 4520. /quote]

Just to add to what BP has posted, InstaPreview is disabled when Zone 4 is active. If all four zones are turned on by the old Power On code, you must manually turn off Zone 4 in order to be able to use InstaPreview.
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post #789 of 4491
11/7/12 at 7:28pm
Very, very excited to say my Review is coming soon and I am comparing it to an Onkyo 5010/3010. smile.gif
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post #790 of 4491
11/8/12 at 3:44am
I currently have a Denon 3802 and am thinking of upgrading to something with HDMI (currently still using a Pioneer Pro610HD Rear projection which was pre HDMI).

I do not see any of the new Denon receivers have any digital autio "out", so I can connect digitally to my Pioneer wireless headphones and my Yamaha musiccast MCX2000.

Currently have them hooked up that way (using an optical splitter and the one digital optical audio out from my Denon 3802.

any thoughts?

also, I assume the analog composite video in connections can be reassigned, so that I can connect my musiccast music server and my VCR to it, since there are still some rare instances where I do use that?

Does anyone know if any of the other Denons, such as the 3313CI can do digital audio out or assign the analog video composite connections to other devices?
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post #791 of 4491
11/8/12 at 4:47am
Yes, the composite inputs are assignable on the 4520CI; however this is not a feature offered on the lower XX13 models. Also Denon dropped the digital audio output beginning with the XX12 models last year.
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post #792 of 4491
11/8/12 at 5:24am
I'm looking at a Darbee vision darblet for its video processing capabilities.

Does the 4520CI have any of the same video capabilities where I don't need one?
my 4520CI is 1 1/2 weeks away.....
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post #793 of 4491
11/8/12 at 5:29am
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Very, very excited to say my Review is coming soon and I am comparing it to an Onkyo 5010/3010. smile.gif

Your review will be here or?


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post #794 of 4491
11/8/12 at 6:56am
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Your review will be here or?
Sent from my 32GB iPhone4 using Tapatalk

I will post a link to it. smile.gif
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post #795 of 4491
11/8/12 at 9:26am
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I'm looking at a Darbee vision darblet for its video processing capabilities.

Does the 4520CI have any of the same video capabilities where I don't need one?
my 4520CI is 1 1/2 weeks away.....

no, no receiver does what that thing claims to do.
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post #796 of 4491
11/8/12 at 9:28am
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Does anyone know if any of the other Denons, such as the 3313CI can do digital audio out or assign the analog video composite connections to other devices?

as JD notes digital audio outputs have been dropped but they are largely useless on modern HDMI receivers anyway because there is no downmix of HDMI audio to the digital out. With your 3802 not an issue since your digital sources are all connected with SPDIF digital feeds, but a modern HDMI receiver kind of makes it difficult to use for that purpose.
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post #797 of 4491
11/8/12 at 9:35am
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I'm looking at a Darbee vision darblet for its video processing capabilities.

Does the 4520CI have any of the same video capabilities where I don't need one?
my 4520CI is 1 1/2 weeks away.....

nope, the darblet is a different beast...

it's on my christmas list... smile.gif
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post #798 of 4491
11/8/12 at 10:00am
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I'm looking at a Darbee vision darblet for its video processing capabilities.
Does the 4520CI have any of the same video capabilities where I don't need one?
my 4520CI is 1 1/2 weeks away.....

 

I think somewhere in the Darblet posts it was even used after processing by a Lumagen enroute to a  projector with positive comments.  That almost seems impossible considering near state of the art  video processing of the Lumagen! 

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post #799 of 4491
11/8/12 at 10:04am
^^^

that's one of the reasons it's on my christmas list... enough "people i trust" have given it their seal of approval... and it's cheap too...
Edited by ccotenj - 11/8/12 at 10:17am
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post #800 of 4491
11/8/12 at 10:08am
Devices are readily available which pass through the HDMI signal but also extract the audio to an optical S/PDIF output. A Web search for
hdmi optical converter
lists many choices.
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post #801 of 4491
11/8/12 at 10:47am
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good point Selden -- and with the 4520, this is something that could be utilized with the Zone 4 HDMI output so the receiver can still be the "switching hub" for all HDMI sources.
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post #802 of 4491
11/8/12 at 11:06am
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^^^
that's one of the reasons it's on my christmas list... enough "people i trust" have given it their seal of approval... and it's cheap too...

Don't know if I am one whom you trust wink.gif, but I am using the Darblet with the 4520. I recommend it highly. Maybe you need a Thanksgiving Day present?
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post #803 of 4491
11/8/12 at 12:16pm
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

Very, very excited to say my Review is coming soon and I am comparing it to an Onkyo 5010/3010. smile.gif

Thank you so much Joe! Can't wait!
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post #804 of 4491
11/8/12 at 1:16pm
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^^^
that's one of the reasons it's on my christmas list... enough "people i trust" have given it their seal of approval... and it's cheap too...

Don't know if I am one whom you trust wink.gif, but I am using the Darblet with the 4520. I recommend it highly. Maybe you need a Thanksgiving Day present?

lol... yes, you are on the short list of people who make me spend money... wink.gif

hmmm... not a bad idea, as then i could put something else on my christmas list... tongue.gif

4520 comes tomorrow... i'm coding serial commands now for it, so i should have a "functional" ccp file to share with others by the end of the weekend... it won't be complete (i'll likely only code what i need), but if anyone wants it, pm me with an email addy and i'll send it to you when i'm done...
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post #805 of 4491
11/8/12 at 1:29pm

I'll 2nd or 3rd (or whatever it's up to) the recommendations on the Darblet.  I've had mine since they initially came out and like them a lot.  There are some potential HDMI issues with them on some 3D sources causing blanking of the screen, but that's a limited complaint as best I can tell (it finally did it to me when watching Avatar 3D).  The Darblet does a completely different kind of "processing" from what the Video Processor does in the Denon 4520.  It's highly tweakable to taste and most find it adds value at a reasonable price. 

 

On another note, I recently downloaded a Denon control app to my Android phone, but can't get it to recognize the 4520.  The 4520 isn't in the database and I've tried calling it a 4311, 5308 and 5508; all to no avail.  There are several versions of these control apps and I guess I just picked one that is incompatible.

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post #806 of 4491
11/8/12 at 3:02pm
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4520 comes tomorrow... i'm coding serial commands now for it, so i should have a "functional" ccp file to share with others by the end of the weekend... it won't be complete (i'll likely only code what i need), but if anyone wants it, pm me with an email addy and i'll send it to you when i'm done...

Chris, I eagerly await your review of the 4520, including if your calibration time with Audyssey Pro doubles (similar to jerry). I still haven't found a good reason to dump my 4311 ...

My sense is that it has a lot of new features (Audyssey LFC, Dialogue Enhancer, PIP, etc), nearly all of which, sadly, are pretty useless for me. So far, the only good reason I've found is that I can still get good value for a trade-in on my 4311 but that argument somehow seems flawed. tongue.gif

Mark
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post #807 of 4491
11/8/12 at 4:05pm
^^^

that certainly sounds like a good enough rationale to me... tongue.gif

i hope my "review" will be mercifully short... i expect it to work as promised in the documentation... smile.gif any "review" from me will mostly be about things that don't work... there would be no reason to expect it to be any "better" soundwise than the a100/4311... and since i don't have the curiosity to run proper video testing on it (other than to ensure it's not mucking with the signal on passthrough), any commentary on that would be HIGHLY subjective, at best...

although i will no doubt have plenty of "commentary" about instapreview, if for no other reason than to start stuart looking for a good deal on one... tongue.gif
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post #808 of 4491
11/8/12 at 4:13pm
@ Mark,

It's humerous how we look for the most obscure reasons to make an upgrade. In my case, I wanted to have XT32 in the bedroom (I moved my 4311 there, displacing a 4308). Do I really need XT32 in the bedroom? Maybe not, but it resulted in a 4520 in the main listening room.... smile.gif

@ Chris,

I'm interested in hearing how well you can see what is on the InstaPreview thumbnails on your big screen....
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post #809 of 4491
11/8/12 at 4:43pm
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

^^^
that certainly sounds like a good enough rationale to me... tongue.gif
i hope my "review" will be mercifully short... i expect it to work as promised in the documentation... smile.gif any "review" from me will mostly be about things that don't work... there would be no reason to expect it to be any "better" soundwise than the a100/4311... and since i don't have the curiosity to run proper video testing on it (other than to ensure it's not mucking with the signal on passthrough), any commentary on that would be HIGHLY subjective, at best...
although i will no doubt have plenty of "commentary" about instapreview, if for no other reason than to start stuart looking for a good deal on one... tongue.gif

Pls dont forget to comment on the time it takes to do a Pro calibration.

Mark
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post #810 of 4491
11/8/12 at 4:48pm
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@ Mark,
It's humerous how we look for the most obscure reasons to make an upgrade. In my case, I wanted to have XT32 in the bedroom (I moved my 4311 there, displacing a 4308). Do I really need XT32 in the bedroom? Maybe not, but it resulted in a 4520 in the main listening room.... smile.gif
....

Jerry, it is precisely in your bedroom which is not acoustically treated where you need XT32 the most! Now you've given me an idea. tongue.gif

Just kidding. biggrin.gif

Mark
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