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post #121 of 1794
I agree. I think the big news with this years JVCs is the change to a DC lamp which will be used in all of this years models.
post #122 of 1794
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My room is nothing special (functionally it works), aesthetically most people have better rooms. My room is almost pure black (black ceiling, black curtains, black rugs, etc..).
However, I used to have a better room when I had a vaulted ceiling and no side walls (large empty space + black is better than small space + black), and this is because as the light sprays outward there is less reflection back to you (even if using black). The room I used to have my PJ in was like 30+ feet wide with a 20 foot vaulted ceiling, the current room is about 25 feet long and 17 feet wide I think. The wider room with a higher ceiling did work better in some ways.
I don't notice any difference in bright scenes so much (and you'd think I would due to ANSI contrast), but the main difference was just that the old room seemed to let the screen FLOAT a little more because of slightly less reflection. So there are reasons to eliminate that last 5% of reflection, but the difference in bright scenes by itself isn't much even though the overall experience is slightly different.

For Home theater, it is a catch 22 situation. The larger room with dark walls means less light reflected back onto the screen so it helps video. Now it does the opposite to audio, unless you have the money to spend. it is much cheaper to achieve clean reference levels in a small room compared to a large room. Many here in this forum are more concerned with video than audio. I go to the speaker forums and it is the opposite. Go to the dedicated room section and most give equal importance to video and sound. To get your audio to clean reference levels, it usually costs a lot more than the video side.
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post #123 of 1794
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Originally Posted by Scott B View Post

I agree. I think the big news with this years JVCs is the change to a DC lamp which will be used in all of this years models.

That and if the ghosting in 3D is much better, then it would eliminate nearly all of the complaints from last year.
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post #124 of 1794
Originally Posted by SED <--- Rules

Thanks so much Mike. We can finally put the confusion to rest.

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+1. Now the inevitable - 'my wire grid is so much better than your wire grid' debates can begin... biggrin.gif


Hey Jason please can you give your opinion on a specific comparison then if you recall your RS50 well enough and your RS55? I forgot with that 50 if it had decent picture sharpness ultimately besides whatever convergence it had. I know your current RS55 is a sweetheart in both respects.

Since the wire grids were same for both and for the coming RS4810, what are your thoughts on the PQ of your 55 with eShift off and no MPC..... in straight 1080P vs what your 50 was at its calibrated best? Blacks and ansi "impressions" too please if you can recall? I assume a "good" 55 in 1080P is every bit as good as a "good" 50.

I have an excellent 50 so gives me great points of comparison.


Thanks

Beers

Ron
post #125 of 1794
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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 5 View Post

That and if the ghosting in 3D is much better, then it would eliminate nearly all of the complaints from last year.

The ghosting would have to be MUCH better as you say (I would bet the farm minor improvement at best....if that), plus we still have flicker and there is no reason to think that will be any better. frown.gif Still have bad lag. I am trying, but I just am not excited for this years offerings which is why my 45 will most likely stick around for another year.
post #126 of 1794
I should have asked when I pre-ordered- glasses/ emitter included or add on accessories on the 4810?
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I should have asked when I pre-ordered- glasses/ emitter included or add on accessories on the 4810?

The glasses and emitter are add on accessories. Only if you pre-order the RS65 / X95 will they be included in the box.
post #128 of 1794
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Originally Posted by SED <--- Rules View Post

The glasses and emitter are add on accessories. Only if you pre-order the RS65 / X95 will they be included in the box.

Thank you
post #129 of 1794
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Originally Posted by Toe View Post

The ghosting would have to be MUCH better as you say (I would bet the farm minor improvement at best....if that), plus we still have flicker and there is no reason to think that will be any better. frown.gif Still have bad lag. I am trying, but I just am not excited for this years offerings which is why my 45 will most likely stick around for another year.

From what I have been told, The black to white Tolerance is being lowered when watching a 3d movie so it can flash faster from black to white, reducing the ghosting. This is the only way they can achieve it since they are not movie to new dila chips
post #130 of 1794
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Originally Posted by space2001 View Post

From what I have been told, The black to white Tolerance is being lowered when watching a 3d movie so it can flash faster from black to white, reducing the ghosting. This is the only way they can achieve it since they are not movie to new dila chips

I read that as well. It will be interesting to see how much this helps (or not) with challenging material.
post #131 of 1794
Both seem to have strong customer service points. I called Sony at 10am on a Tuesday to let them know of my issue and when I arrived home Wednesday late morning there already was a 1000ES brand new A stock replacement sitting next to my front door! eek.gif
post #132 of 1794
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I should have asked when I pre-ordered- glasses/ emitter included or add on accessories on the 4810?


Not included.
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post #134 of 1794
thanks for posting. it looks like they left in the MPC 'Analysis' mode in the final release. This could be helpful for tuning the new MPC settings.

MPC.jpg
post #135 of 1794
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

thanks for posting. it looks like they left in the MPC 'Analysis' mode in the final release. This could be helpful for tuning the new MPC settings.

This will be really nice for fine tuning the new(er) setting.

As well in reviewing SOWK's post (thanks), I see they've added a new "environment" setting, but wonder what they're doing on the inside to accomplish this?

post #136 of 1794
Would the difference in resolution between the 4810 with eshift2 and the 46 be noticeable on a 100" Studiotek 130 screen? My room is a dedicated theater and seating is 10'.
Joe
post #137 of 1794
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Not to a huge degree, but if you we're looking for the difference you would find it.
post #138 of 1794
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Originally Posted by SOWK View Post

Not to a huge degree, but if you we're looking for the difference you would find it.

That's the tough choice that separates spending 2k or 10k.
post #139 of 1794
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Originally Posted by bass addict View Post

That's the tough choice that separates spending 2k or 10k.

So true...

You could take a $1,000 projector vs a $15,000 and they would still look the same to a lot of the "average joes" out there. But it's all the little things that us AVS'ers "see" vs the average person that make it worth it to us.

Better black levels
Better lens
Better focus
Better convergence
Better ANSI contrast
Better Motion
Less RBE
Motorized lens
Mortoried lens cover
Image enhances (darbee)
How much cross talk is in a 3D image
How bright can i get it while maintaining contrast
In case of the JVC RS4810 - more solid an image vs a machine without eshift.

There are so so many more, but you get the point.

And as mentioned to the poster above with the 100" screen even at 10' viewing distance he will see the difference if he is going to look for it. It's all about how much your willing to pay for the differences.

I think the RS4810 will represent the Sweet Spot in the JVC line for price/performance this year.
Edited by SOWK - 11/5/12 at 4:19am
post #140 of 1794
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Originally Posted by jgambino View Post

Would the difference in resolution between the 4810 with eshift2 and the 46 be noticeable on a 100" Studiotek 130 screen? My room is a dedicated theater and seating is 10'.
Joe

I have a 100in and a 120in screen, with the RS55 last year, I didn't see the eshift benefit on the 100in screen. Hopefully this year is better. I will be comparing the difference again
post #141 of 1794
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Originally Posted by bass addict View Post

That's the tough choice that separates spending 2k or 10k.

2K or 10K?
post #142 of 1794
Thread Starter 
$2000 or $10000 Mark.
post #143 of 1794
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Originally Posted by blee0120 View Post

I have a 100in and a 120in screen, with the RS55 last year, I didn't see the eshift benefit on the 100in screen. Hopefully this year is better. I will be comparing the difference again

What was your seating distance? And did you turn eshift off and on via service menu to look for the differences?
Edited by SOWK - 11/5/12 at 5:15am
post #144 of 1794
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Originally Posted by SOWK View Post

What was your seating distance? And did you turn eshift off and on via service menu to look for the differences?

About 11-12ft from the screen. The image was excellent, just didn't have the same effect of my 120in screen.
post #145 of 1794
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Originally Posted by bass addict View Post

That's the tough choice that separates spending 2k or 10k.

I don't think I made it clear that I meant the difference between the RS46 at $3499 MRSP and the RS4810 at $5095 not the top of the line JVC. According to this post
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1428036/jvc-new-projectors-announced-cedia-2012#post_22377021
the main difference btewen the two is the eshift2 and pixel shiftt. They both have the same contrast ratio at 65000:1
Joe
post #146 of 1794
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Originally Posted by jgambino View Post

I don't think I made it clear that I meant the difference between the RS46 at $3499 MRSP and the RS4810 at $5095 not the top of the line JVC. According to this post
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1428036/jvc-new-projectors-announced-cedia-2012#post_22377021
the main difference btewen the two is the eshift2 and pixel shiftt. They both have the same contrast ratio at 65000:1
Joe
Err, they both have a specified on/off CR of 50,000:1.

The RS4810 has eshift2 and a CMS that are not included in the RS46. The RS4810 also has Picture Tone and lightness/darkness controls that are not present in the RS46. And, as you say, the RS4810 has 1/16 pixel convergence adjustment resolution but the RS46 is limited to 1 pixel increments.

Eshift1 benefits are most effective at 1 Screen width (or less) seating distance but some have observed benefits at greater distances (I can see the difference at 1.6 SW distance at least on static images). We'll have to wait for the new projectors to show up before any declarations can be made regarding the seating distance at which eshift2 no longer becomes noticeable.
post #147 of 1794
I went with the 4810 because of the eshift 2 and the 1/16th pixel convergence feature
post #148 of 1794
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by jgambino View Post

I don't think I made it clear that I meant the difference between the RS46 at $3499 MRSP and the RS4810 at $5095 not the top of the line JVC. According to this post
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1428036/jvc-new-projectors-announced-cedia-2012#post_22377021
the main difference btewen the two is the eshift2 and pixel shiftt. They both have the same contrast ratio at 65000:1
Joe

I think Bass was talking about upgrades in general and that small noticeable differences could mean the difference between a 2K projector or 10k projector. (Not specifically JVC Brand.)
post #149 of 1794
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Originally Posted by SOWK View Post

I think Bass was talking about upgrades in general and that small noticeable differences could mean the difference between a 2K projector or 10k projector. (Not specifically JVC Brand.)

Precisely, thanks SOWK.

The HT world is all about a diminishing return on investment. I guess you could say that about anything really.

Is the toroidal transformer in receiver A worth the 1,000 entry over not having one in receiver B? How much perceptible difference are you going to notice? Projectors are the same thing. Is an 80,000 CR ratio going to be worth x amount of dollars over a 50,000 CR. Is E shift worth x amount over not having it? We don't necessarily have to be talking about 5k or 8k difference here. There will be compromises in 500 dollar differences.

Are you someone who picks apart the flaws in the picture; or are you someone who is content with it as long as the "flaws" don't take you out of the movie. Everyone here has different expectations on what is acceptable to them. Me personally, I don't have to have the blackest blacks out there, but I can't stand jittery panning scenes. I don't really care for 3d so I'm OK with a machine that falls behind in this category, as long as it maintains a strong 2d image. Someone else might really value 3d, or need the blackest of the blacks (eh hem Zombie).

AS SOWK mentioned, the beautiful thing nowadays is most projectors are getting so good you really can't go wrong with any of them. Black levels are closing in on hair splitting differences. In a lot of cases, you'd have to AB them side by side to pick up the differences. Most are throwing pretty close to the same lumens in calibrated mode as well. You just need to pick the one with the idiosyncrasies you can live with.

You guys buying your first projectors are really lucky. My first projector was a Panasonic AE700, and I know guys who had projectors long before that one. PQ has some light years since then. In fact; if you want to save a bunch of money go pick up an old 720p LCD and try it out for a month. Even the cheapest current projector on the market will look a million times better. You can send the money you saved to me so I can get an RS56 instead of my 4810. I heard it will be a huge difference. biggrin.gif
post #150 of 1794
bass addict,
I understand. I have a Sanyo Z5 and know that no matter which projector I get I'm going to be happy. I'm redoing my theater and and so I'm trying to justify the extra $1500 for the RS4810.
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