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post #301 of 1794
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Sorry I meant I am upgrading from a Sony hw10 not hs10.
That explains that for sure! The hw10 is definitely among the "modern" projectors.
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I was trying to convince myself that undertaking a proper calibration would only get me 5% pq improvement as skin tones look natural enough on default settings on my rs40. Are you sure they make such a dramatic difference in pq?
Yes, I'm sure. It's way more than 5%. For me, it's the difference between impressive ("Wow... a home theater") to stunning ("Wow... a window into that world"). Color and skin tones are only a small part of it. Proper gray scale and gamma truly makes for a "who needs 3D?" experience. There's so much pop and depth. And the 125 point Color Cube is very apparent as well. In The Sourcer's Stone, there was one scene in particular I remember, when they are leaving Hogwart's at the end. They are on the train platform and it is dark. Even so, the red on the train and the bench was really luxurious and saturated. You could tell that if the light were brighter they would be a nice bright red, but in the dark they were still appropriately rich.
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Originally Posted by lyndonlim View Post

I would pay more money for blacker blacks again but not greater resolution. We have enough sharpness I personally believe but I would like another leap in black level performance so we can get closer to CRT blacks. Once you see a CRT projector in action you'll never forget those inky jet black rendition...the amount of depth it provides to the image is staggering. My rs40 is very good but not quite there yet. Hopefully 2 more generations will get us closer.
I am also not sure about those who claim that a jvc can do close to complete black during fade outs because I can clearly still make out where the pictures frames end.
Proper gamma makes the best use of the blacks that are available, and to quite good effect.
Edited by erkq - 12/10/12 at 9:20am
post #302 of 1794
Reading that "5%" improvement comment again, I just have to say the Radiance/C6/CalMAN package is the best thing I ever did for my home theater. It simply transformed it into "gorgeous" and "stunning" and those words are from my wife! 5%? I'd say at least 50%! and 100% wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility!
post #303 of 1794
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Originally Posted by erkq View Post

Reading that "5%" improvement comment again, I just have to say the Radiance/C6/CalMAN package is the best thing I ever did for my home theater. It simply transformed it into "gorgeous" and "stunning" and those words are from my wife! 5%? I'd say at least 50%! and 100% wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility!
whoever said 5% is crazy. More than 40% IMO. It's a must for high quality projectors like a JVC
post #304 of 1794
Woot! Got tracking number today!

Willie
post #305 of 1794
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Woot! Got tracking number today!
Willie

Got it too - ETA is WED !
post #306 of 1794
Got mine too! I must be on Facebook to often. I keep looking for the "Like" button under the comments above.
post #307 of 1794
Me three! So excited. smile.gifsmile.gifcool.gif
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me four
post #309 of 1794
Thread Starter 
I should get it tomorrow. And will run some basic tests Wednesday
post #310 of 1794
It's finally that time..... My old reliable RS2 is going on the market. Didn't get to use the extra lamp that I purchase when JVC had them on sale. I almost want to keep it as a back up.
post #311 of 1794
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Originally Posted by blee0120 View Post

whoever said 5% is crazy. More than 40% IMO. It's a must for high quality projectors like a JVC

If you had a JVC with a perfectly functioning CMS such as what the top of the line for its time JVC RS35 had, and the "best of the best" calibrate it, what is a conservative % or higher of image quality and impact improvement over even that after a Radiance / Calman auto LUT calibration? Where do you most see what kind of improvements? I know it's probably in my future but can't do now.

Thanks
post #312 of 1794
I had the RS40 and never calibrated it, just used discs to set the brightness basically. I thought that was the main thing to do, because that is what I heard. When I got the RS55, it looked very similar, I couldn't tell the difference OOTB. I thought I should have just kept my RS40. Then, I bought an Eye One Pro and Display LT and used both to calibrate the RS55. The picture went from looking good to crisp, clear, excellent color, better blacks, and more dimensional to my eyes. This was with just the CMS. Even when I got my Benq W7000, I calibrated it immediately because OOTB didn't look right to me and the picture improve drastically
post #313 of 1794
OK thanks. Maybe someone else can answer that hopefully. I'm sure at least several people here used to do really fine calibrations and now have gone to the automated technology with the much finer and more precise LUT process.
post #314 of 1794
I got my tracking number. Scheduled delivery is Wednesday biggrin.gif
post #315 of 1794
This place is Evil. 3 weeks ago I was happy with my Sony HW10 then I got itchy and started coming back to the Avsforum to find out that my dream projectors the JVC RS series could be gotten for dirt cheap prices B stock…and now the seed of auto calibration via Lumagen and Chromapure has been added to my mind.

If you can improve subjective PQ by 40% then it is worth the investment of $2k for the Chromapure + Lumagen 3D mini package because you can use it pretty much over 10 years if you don't care about 4k resolution.

I always had the impression that improvements from color calibration were more subtle and less dramatic but it could be one of those things that you don't know until you make a comparison.

Sorry to deviate from the topic here but its sort of related as it could be "how to get the best from your JVC projector" spin off.
post #316 of 1794
How far off the projector is from D65 /R709 can vary from projector to projector. It's usually the lamp that's the suspect but there are other factors as well (factory tuning, etc).

Color calibrating in 3D makes a huge difference since we can calibrate the changes of the tinted lens on the 3D shutter glasses.

Our 4810 is also arriving on Wednesday, we'll have some comparisons between the current RS55 and the RS46 + RS4810.
post #317 of 1794
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Originally Posted by RonF View Post

If you had a JVC with a perfectly functioning CMS such as what the top of the line for its time JVC RS35 had, and the "best of the best" calibrate it, what is a conservative % or higher of image quality and impact improvement over even that after a Radiance / Calman auto LUT calibration? Where do you most see what kind of improvements? I know it's probably in my future but can't do now.
Thanks

That's a very interesting question. I'd be interested too. I never did have a calibrator come by so I can't answer. Having "calibration autonomy" is what pushed my to get the Color Cube technology.
post #318 of 1794
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Originally Posted by lyndonlim View Post

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I always had the impression that improvements from color calibration were more subtle and less dramatic but it could be one of those things that you don't know until you make a comparison.
Sorry to deviate from the topic here but its sort of related as it could be "how to get the best from your JVC projector" spin off.

I think you're right. In general, assuming neither was off drastically, if I had to pick either color or gamma/grayscale as this biggest "improver" of the picture I'd have to say gamma/grayscale offers the most to image quality. It provides the depth, pop, reality and unfiltered look. But both together, with good color tracking... that's really the ticket.
post #319 of 1794
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

How far off the projector is from D65 /R709 can vary from projector to projector. It's usually the lamp that's the suspect but there are other factors as well (factory tuning, etc).
Color calibrating in 3D makes a huge difference since we can calibrate the changes of the tinted lens on the 3D shutter glasses.
Our 4810 is also arriving on Wednesday, we'll have some comparisons between the current RS55 and the RS46 + RS4810.

Jason, you know me I'm all about the "depth". I love Bluray movies too and will have all my settings as conservative as need be so as to not hurt the intent of the director over and above what looks fine to me with all the digital processing options available. But when I am running a copy of......say...... Avatar or The Art of Flight or my 70+ quantity and growing of 1080P knock-your-socks-off, already "deep looking", stunning landscape photographs I have been collecting for just this on my PS3.....no rules apply and I am going for the gusto in 3D dimensionality from 2D source material.

For fun, because I think eShift2 takes this really well.....try this: Film mode on the 4K option and take it all the way to 100. Leave Dynamic Contrast at the stock 50 midway setting and play with the Smoothing slider several clicks below and above the stock 50 setting to your taste. I have the old school 2.8 Hi Power at 8.5' wide and like to run at 30+ foot lamberts for these kind of dimensional tests. Just for bleeps and giggles (again because eShift2 seems to take it very well in the "Film" 4K mode......put your Darblet on Full Pop mode and start around 50 and work upward with that going strictly for depth, with an image you would not mind watching in the least to have that depth. Just me....but with pristine bluray films intended to have depth like the above mentioned and many others as well, or with photographic media.....I can run 90 on Full Pop and eShift2 in Film mode just plays really, really amazingly with it. eek.gifeek.gif Or less than 90 on the Darblet if it's just too much for you. But try those high settings and be aggressive to see what we can get now without glasses. This is different deal than how you watch a motion picture, aside from the specialty genre including the types that want to give you the most realism and depth.
post #320 of 1794
hi all; I am looking to buy the JVC DLA-RS4810U, can anyone pm the cost for this projector? Also, i may look to upgrade the screen to take advantage of the 2.35....any suggestions as to which screen & lens to use with this projector?
post #321 of 1794
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Originally Posted by RonF View Post

If you had a JVC with a perfectly functioning CMS such as what the top of the line for its time JVC RS35 had, and the "best of the best" calibrate it, what is a conservative % or higher of image quality and impact improvement over even that after a Radiance / Calman auto LUT calibration? Where do you most see what kind of improvements? I know it's probably in my future but can't do now.
Thanks

You know guys, as a 2D enthusiast like me with a "meh" attitude towards 3D, I'm wondering if the JVC RS4810 (and RS56 for that matter) with all it's bells and whistles can trump the old JVC RS35? I've asked this question before and many people on the forums still say the JVC RS35 is still the reference 2D projector even now. Kris Deering of Home Theater Magazine is still using his and he is a true videophile from what I can see. I dunno, I just might be tempted to hunt for a nice, used JVC RS35 and forget about these new projectors. Thoughts?
post #322 of 1794
Yes. Don 't. This projector's performance at this price is amazing. eShift2 is pretty damn compelling. IMHO.

I guess I should add, if everything else looks as good as what I'm seeing with mine before it's even calibrated. Seriously good blacks and I have had RS1, RS2, RS25 and RS50. I think as good as the 50 even though rated at 20,000 less on/off. Great convergence. Great lens focus and sharpness. Great uniformity....zero hint of bright corners. Nice and bright. And it looks great in 1080P with eShift off. Very sharp machine.
Edited by RonF - 12/10/12 at 7:07pm
post #323 of 1794
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Originally Posted by SED <--- Rules View Post

You know guys, as a 2D enthusiast like me with a "meh" attitude towards 3D, I'm wondering if the JVC RS4810 (and RS56 for that matter) with all it's bells and whistles can trump the old JVC RS35? I've asked this question before and many people on the forums still say the JVC RS35 is still the reference 2D projector even now. Kris Deering of Home Theater Magazine is still using his and he is a true videophile from what I can see. I dunno, I just might be tempted to hunt for a nice, used JVC RS35 and forget about these new projectors. Thoughts?

It's a good thought. People really loved the RS35. How does the lumen output compare? I have a 10' wide 16:9 SMX I need to light up and the RS20 does OK so the RS35 would too. Are these new models any brighter than the RS35? It was about like my RS20 for light level.
post #324 of 1794
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Originally Posted by RonF View Post

Yes. Don 't. This projector's performance at this price is amazing. eShift2 is pretty damn compelling. IMHO.
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It's a good thought. People really loved the RS35. How does the lumen output compare? I have a 10' wide 16:9 SMX I need to light up and the RS20 does OK so the RS35 would too. Are these new models any brighter than the RS35? It was about like my RS20 for light level.

Thanks guys for the feedback. The thing for me is I only have to light up about a 110' diagonal 16x9 screen and I'm planning to make my room a batcave with 2/3 of the room covered in black velvet. For lumens it isn't a problem. I'm just looking for the best 2D PQ for the $$. The fact that e-shift2 can bring out fine detail and make the picture sharp is one feature I like about these new projectors. Obviously, the RS35 doesn't have something like this. The thing is...is the 4810 with e-shift2 as sharp or sharper than the RS35? Motion is also pretty important (though not as important as blacks) to me and I'm assuming that motion is better on the RS4810 than the RS35. Hmmm...I guess your right RonF. smile.gif
post #325 of 1794
How much does the RS4810 weigh??? In the e-mail I received from UPS with the tracking number, it's telling me there are 2 packages weighing in at 59 pounds. When I click the tracking number and track it from UPS' website, it still says 2 packages but it shows them weighing in at 11 pounds. I'm assuming the 59 pounds is the correct weight lol
post #326 of 1794
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Originally Posted by RonF View Post

If you had a JVC with a perfectly functioning CMS such as what the top of the line for its time JVC RS35 had, and the "best of the best" calibrate it, what is a conservative % or higher of image quality and impact improvement over even that after a Radiance / Calman auto LUT calibration? Where do you most see what kind of improvements? I know it's probably in my future but can't do now.
Thanks

Well... I am no where close to being the best of the best, but I just did a 3DLUT Radiance calibration tonight put my Darbee in the mix and my RS2 looks incredible!!!!! Besides if you have never seen better in your home, your description will better than what you have now. There is something better always coming, but if you cant get it lower your expectation and get a processor.Get a Radiance and have a 3DLUT calibration it will be good and the processor, you can can always use with your new set up.
post #327 of 1794
The statement about gamma and grayscale making more difference makes a lot of sense relative to color. With color, it really depends on your point of reference for example you don't really realise how off your color is until you have a reference for example with foliage and grass. So color inaccuracy can tend to be less noticeable (unless its skin tones) but when shadow detail and brightness is off, one tends to take more notice.

Do you need a meter and auto calibration software tool to set proper gamma and greyscale ? I am assuming you cannot do these via sight? Sorry for all the newbie questions but I would like to hear from non hardware and software vendors as a lot of the FAQ is set up by people who have an interest in promoting the benefits of using their product. I am not doubting their claim…but I feel they may be over emphasising the benefits. Maybe is the key word as its not always the case. For example, people were extolling the virtues of the Darblet and the Darblet does live up to the hype by delivering more sharpness and pop to the image.
post #328 of 1794
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Originally Posted by SED <--- Rules View Post

Thanks guys for the feedback. The thing for me is I only have to light up about a 110' diagonal 16x9 screen and I'm planning to make my room a batcave with 2/3 of the room covered in black velvet. For lumens it isn't a problem. I'm just looking for the best 2D PQ for the $$. The fact that e-shift2 can bring out fine detail and make the picture sharp is one feature I like about these new projectors. Obviously, the RS35 doesn't have something like this. The thing is...is the 4810 with e-shift2 as sharp or sharper than the RS35? Motion is also pretty important (though not as important as blacks) to me and I'm assuming that motion is better on the RS4810 than the RS35. Hmmm...I guess your right RonF. smile.gif

The sharper image of e-shift element equiped machines is not due to the e/s element but due to electronic sharpening, the e/s element is bluring the screen door. Defeat the sharpening and it will more than likely have a softer image than if the E/S element was removed from it's light path.

Add some electronic sharpening/processing, a HTPC, Lumagen or Darbee and the RS35 may be siginificantly sharper with less noise, with better ANSI Cr and MTF to boot.......but with more screen door, but if you sit at recommended distances/ratio for 1080 it would be a beast. I have a RS20 with a RS35 light engine....it's going nowhere, not even when I eventually upgrade, perhaps next year if JVC introduce a brand new architecture, that is siginificantly better than 2013 machines.

BTW I view from recomended distances for resolving 1080, I have 2 screens a 92" and a 106" used for 16:9 and 2.35:1. 29 deg and 34 deg viewing, no screen door visible at all. To move closer I'll wait for 4K!biggrin.gif

Motion would be better on the newer machines........but it is amazing how the brain adapts!
Edited by Highjinx - 12/11/12 at 12:57am
post #329 of 1794
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Originally Posted by lyndonlim View Post

The statement about gamma and grayscale making more difference makes a lot of sense relative to color. With color, it really depends on your point of reference for example you don't really realise how off your color is until you have a reference for example with foliage and grass. So color inaccuracy can tend to be less noticeable (unless its skin tones) but when shadow detail and brightness is off, one tends to take more notice.
Do you need a meter and auto calibration software tool to set proper gamma and greyscale ? I am assuming you cannot do these via sight? Sorry for all the newbie questions but I would like to hear from non hardware and software vendors as a lot of the FAQ is set up by people who have an interest in promoting the benefits of using their product. I am not doubting their claim…but I feel they may be over emphasising the benefits. Maybe is the key word as its not always the case. For example, people were extolling the virtues of the Darblet and the Darblet does live up to the hype by delivering more sharpness and pop to the image.

You are purchasing a high quality projector and the manufacturer has provided the possibility of a picture that will mirror the directors intent when viewing in your home theater. Why wouldn't you find a professional in your area with the tools, training and experience to calibrate your projector to provide you the best image? You have made an investment; now spend a little more to realize it's full potential.
post #330 of 1794
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Originally Posted by dvcdude View Post

You are purchasing a high quality projector and the manufacturer has provided the possibility of a picture that will mirror the directors intent when viewing in your home theater. Why wouldn't you find a professional in your area with the tools, training and experience to calibrate your projector to provide you the best image? You have made an investment; now spend a little more to realize it's full potential.

How do I find one of these professionals in my area? Is there a directory or something online I can put my zip in and qualified pros in the area will come up?
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