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post #961 of 1221
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Originally Posted by freebits View Post

Oh, there may be no FW update fixing CMS!
Following is comments from Steve at AVForums who wrote X55 reviews.
Oh well. At least the error we've all measured seems pretty consistent across units, so I wouldn't expect to receive another "replacement" unit with significantly better results. If mine were the only one that measured out of whack I'd be more concerned. I can certainly live with what I've got now.
post #962 of 1221
...I do recall that an early CMS problem back with the RS20 was fixed with a firmware download. And, it took a while to be released. I still have the cable purchased solely for that purpose.
post #963 of 1221
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Originally Posted by Jedi View Post

...I do recall that an early CMS problem back with the RS20 was fixed with a firmware download. And, it took a while to be released. I still have the cable purchased solely for that purpose.
Are you saying mini USB cable or something like that? That's good news.
post #964 of 1221
...USB to mini-USB. If I remember correctly, then the firmware downloads first to laptop, then the file was installed from laptop to projector.
post #965 of 1221
The Green problem is a colorspace issue....Green is undersaturated. It is not a CMS issue...
post #966 of 1221
Quick question for my fellow RS4810 owners!

What do you guys use to control the projector?

I'm using Harmony 900 + it's RF extender. My setup is Harmony --> RF extender --> 2.5mm_to_3.5mm adapter --> 3.5mm cable --> Projector's Remote In.

My problem is, using this method, it can't turn the projector on! Every other commands work fine. I unplugged the 3.5mm cable, and just use IR, it can turn it on now, but can't turn it off (works fine using RF tho). I even use the Learn Command to make sure it has the correct IR code.

This really driving me nuts! Anyone have any idea/advice please?? confused.gif

Thanks!
post #967 of 1221
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Originally Posted by landshark1 View Post

Quick question for my fellow RS4810 owners!

What do you guys use to control the projector?

I'm using Harmony 900 + it's RF extender. My setup is Harmony --> RF extender --> 2.5mm_to_3.5mm adapter --> 3.5mm cable --> Projector's Remote In.

My problem is, using this method, it can't turn the projector on! Every other commands work fine. I unplugged the 3.5mm cable, and just use IR, it can turn it on now, but can't turn it off (works fine using RF tho). I even use the Learn Command to make sure it has the correct IR code.

This really driving me nuts! Anyone have any idea/advice please?? confused.gif

Thanks!

Universal Remote Control > RF Mode > MRF 300 Receiver/Distributor > IR Flasher

No issues
post #968 of 1221
Landshark, my URC handheld controller allows me to configure its output as "IR Only", "RF Only" or "IR + RF", separately, for each controlled device. For the 4810 projector control, I experienced random problems when I had the controller in the IR + RF mode. I switched to RF Only and these problems disappeared. The projector becomes confused when sensing two separate IR signals at the same time -- one directly from the handheld, and the other from the RF pathway.
post #969 of 1221
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Originally Posted by Jedi View Post

Landshark, my URC handheld controller allows me to configure its output as "IR Only", "RF Only" or "IR + RF", separately, for each controlled device. For the 4810 projector control, I experienced random problems when I had the controller in the IR + RF mode. I switched to RF Only and these problems disappeared. The projector becomes confused when sensing two separate IR signals at the same time -- one directly from the handheld, and the other from the RF pathway.
I did noticed that when plugged in the rear IR Input, the front or back IR sensor won't work tho.
post #970 of 1221
... you might want to verify this, but I believe the rear IR input on the 4810 is a 3 conductor jack, for signal, ground, and 12VDC to power an external IR sensor. If so, make sure you're not mating this with a two-conductor plug. It makes sense that the two internal IR receiving windows are disabled when using the remote receiver.
post #971 of 1221
I'm using IR-only remotes to the projector (I've used both a Harmony One and a Harmony Touch) and both have worked fine. I also use an X10 Powermid PM5900 Remote Control Extender Kit with my IR Harmonies to control the components in my equipment closet and it works great. The equipment is all behind a white door and the X10's RF receiver/IR blaster is strong enough to control the equipment in the closet by simply bouncing its IR signal off the door -- there's no need to string baby-sized IR blasters to each component!
post #972 of 1221
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Originally Posted by Schwa View Post

there's no need to string baby-sized IR blasters to each component!
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Among the equipment installed, I have three directv receivers in my AV closet, in order to control each receiver individually, discrete dedicated flashers individually wired and configured to each are required, otherwise they would all respond to any centrally blasted directv IR command. Directv does not have enough multiple IR control code selections.
post #973 of 1221
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Originally Posted by Jedi View Post

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Among the equipment installed, I have three directv receivers in my AV closet, in order to control each receiver individually, discrete dedicated flashers individually wired and configured to each are required, otherwise they would all respond to any centrally blasted directv IR command. Directv does not have enough multiple IR control code selections.
I hear ya...fortunately I don't have that issue.
post #974 of 1221
my 900 works like a charm.
post #975 of 1221
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Originally Posted by landshark1 View Post

Quick question for my fellow RS4810 owners!

What do you guys use to control the projector?

I'm using Harmony 900 + it's RF extender. My setup is Harmony --> RF extender --> 2.5mm_to_3.5mm adapter --> 3.5mm cable --> Projector's Remote In.

My problem is, using this method, it can't turn the projector on! Every other commands work fine. I unplugged the 3.5mm cable, and just use IR, it can turn it on now, but can't turn it off (works fine using RF tho). I even use the Learn Command to make sure it has the correct IR code.

This really driving me nuts! Anyone have any idea/advice please?? confused.gif

Thanks!

Have you tried learning the on command using the RAW mode in the harmony setup? It can help in cases like this.
post #976 of 1221
My 4810 has arrived. I'm in love. Picture is amazing right out of the box and I'm coming from a vt50 plasma. I'm not going to calibrate it until I hit 100 hours but am curious as to everyone's out of the box best settings for the time being. Just looking for basic settings.

Projector is 17' from a 138" 1.78 screen in a dedicated room. Dark brown walls and ceiling 1.0 gain screen.

Glad to be a part of the club that's for sure!
post #977 of 1221
I posted what my THX, ISF calibrator did to my set up in post #899
post #978 of 1221
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Originally Posted by Isantus View Post

My 4810 has arrived. I'm in love. Picture is amazing right out of the box and I'm coming from a vt50 plasma. I'm not going to calibrate it until I hit 100 hours but am curious as to everyone's out of the box best settings for the time being. Just looking for basic settings.

Projector is 17' from a 138" 1.78 screen in a dedicated room. Dark brown walls and ceiling 1.0 gain screen.

Glad to be a part of the club that's for sure!

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Originally Posted by Crabalocker View Post

I posted what my THX, ISF calibrator did to my set up in post #899

While it's interesting to see what your calibrator did I don't think there is any information in #899 that is going to help Isantus, since it's very specific to your particular projector and environment.

I'd suggest the following as being pretty much all you can do without a meter until you get a calibration, based on what I found with my X35 before and after I calibrated it:

For HDMI at Superwhite (Enhanced will require different contrast and brightness settings which can be checked using the FREE AVS HD709 disc basic patterns, as should these be also checked):

All controls at 0, contrast can be raised to +5 if you are happy to clip at 245 (check with AVS disc though). Or use HDMI 'Standard', contrast at 0 to clip at 235 if you prefer.
Colour temp either 6500K or try 7000K (mine measured closer with 7000K,but again each sample can vary)
Custom gamma set to 2.3 or just Gamma 'A' (will probably measure 2.2, you can try Custom 2.1 and 2.4 to taste)
I set my sharpness down to +2 since any higher shows ringing starting, (you can check this with patterns on the AVS disc where there are white/black transitions) I left detail at 0 since I have a Darbee and it seems to give less side effects on test patterns such as moire.

You're on your own regarding MPC settings since I don't have them. wink.gif However, I'm calibrating an X55 in a couple of weeks, so chance to have a play with the settings since I haven't liked the last 2 X55s I've seen in terms of looking too processed.

I wouldn't sweat it too much, since you calibrator will sort it all out properly so you should see a further improvement once done...something to look forward to.
post #979 of 1221
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Isantus View Post

My 4810 has arrived. I'm in love. Picture is amazing right out of the box and I'm coming from a vt50 plasma. I'm not going to calibrate it until I hit 100 hours but am curious as to everyone's out of the box best settings for the time being. Just looking for basic settings.

Projector is 17' from a 138" 1.78 screen in a dedicated room. Dark brown walls and ceiling 1.0 gain screen.

Glad to be a part of the club that's for sure!

Where are you located?
post #980 of 1221
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Originally Posted by SOWK View Post

Where are you located?

Austin, Texas.

Know any places that I can get a solid calibration from out here?
post #981 of 1221
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Originally Posted by Kelvin1965S View Post


While it's interesting to see what your calibrator did I don't think there is any information in #899 that is going to help Isantus, since it's very specific to your particular projector and environment.

I'd suggest the following as being pretty much all you can do without a meter until you get a calibration, based on what I found with my X35 before and after I calibrated it:

For HDMI at Superwhite (Enhanced will require different contrast and brightness settings which can be checked using the FREE AVS HD709 disc basic patterns, as should these be also checked):

All controls at 0, contrast can be raised to +5 if you are happy to clip at 245 (check with AVS disc though). Or use HDMI 'Standard', contrast at 0 to clip at 235 if you prefer.
Colour temp either 6500K or try 7000K (mine measured closer with 7000K,but again each sample can vary)
Custom gamma set to 2.3 or just Gamma 'A' (will probably measure 2.2, you can try Custom 2.1 and 2.4 to taste)
I set my sharpness down to +2 since any higher shows ringing starting, (you can check this with patterns on the AVS disc where there are white/black transitions) I left detail at 0 since I have a Darbee and it seems to give less side effects on test patterns such as moire.

You're on your own regarding MPC settings since I don't have them. wink.gif However, I'm calibrating an X55 in a couple of weeks, so chance to have a play with the settings since I haven't liked the last 2 X55s I've seen in terms of looking too processed.

I wouldn't sweat it too much, since you calibrator will sort it all out properly so you should see a further improvement once done...something to look forward to.

Thanks for all the great info! This is my first projector so the entire project has been a learning opportunity for me. I am still learning to use the unit and reading the manual like it is my favorite book. In conjunction with all of the info I have learned from this website, I feel that I have a pretty good idea of what to dial in for the time being. The projector looks just simply amazing but I don't want to miss any obvious settings for the time being as this is completely new to me. When I have purchased TVs in the past I know what to adjust for the most part to get it out of Torch Mode and to something more accurate to color and picture. However, these projectors don't seem to come set up the same way as a TV in terms of looking for the brightest picture out of the box. They seem to come pretty close to a solid picture so it is not as obvious to me what needs to be adjusted.

The biggest concern I have right now is the shadow detail. I am not sure if my expectations are high coming from a plasma VT50, or if I am not setting something up correctly but I seem to have a bit of black crush. Details do not stand out as well to me in dark areas of the screen. Keep in mind my room is not completely blacked out (the wife will never let that happen). I have complete control of all light in the room but the walls, ceiling and carpet are all a dark brown. I know that is not helping my situation either.

Any other thoughts would be wonderful. Thanks again everyone!
post #982 of 1221
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Originally Posted by Kelvin1965S View Post


While it's interesting to see what your calibrator did I don't think there is any information in #899 that is going to help Isantus, since it's very specific to your particular projector and environment.

I'd suggest the following as being pretty much all you can do without a meter until you get a calibration, based on what I found with my X35 before and after I calibrated it:

For HDMI at Superwhite (Enhanced will require different contrast and brightness settings which can be checked using the FREE AVS HD709 disc basic patterns, as should these be also checked):

All controls at 0, contrast can be raised to +5 if you are happy to clip at 245 (check with AVS disc though). Or use HDMI 'Standard', contrast at 0 to clip at 235 if you prefer.
Colour temp either 6500K or try 7000K (mine measured closer with 7000K,but again each sample can vary)
Custom gamma set to 2.3 or just Gamma 'A' (will probably measure 2.2, you can try Custom 2.1 and 2.4 to taste)
I set my sharpness down to +2 since any higher shows ringing starting, (you can check this with patterns on the AVS disc where there are white/black transitions) I left detail at 0 since I have a Darbee and it seems to give less side effects on test patterns such as moire.

You're on your own regarding MPC settings since I don't have them. wink.gif However, I'm calibrating an X55 in a couple of weeks, so chance to have a play with the settings since I haven't liked the last 2 X55s I've seen in terms of looking too processed.

I wouldn't sweat it too much, since you calibrator will sort it all out properly so you should see a further improvement once done...something to look forward to.

At the risk of sounding stupid,where the hell is the sharpness control in the menu?
post #983 of 1221
Do you mean that you have to watch with some lights on or just that you can't completely black out the room during the day?

Since your walls, ceiling and floor are dark brown then you shouldn't be suffering from washout due to wall reflections as many non dedicate rooms can do (my own included). You might just have slightly higher expectations, but provided you aren't trying to run with the aperture clamped right down and have a large screen (ie the picture is too dim) then you shouldn't have this problem IMHO.

Hopefully your calibrator will be able to adjust the gamma to help, but in the meantime, just setting up as I mentioned above should help, though I would double check the brightness (black level) setting using the AVS disc incase your setup is clipping black somewhere due to different settings to mine. It sounds almost like the brightness is set too low. You should be able to see the 18 flashing bar if correctly adjusted without raising the overall black floor, though getting the 17 bar flashing seems to be a bit difficult without raising the black floor unless you have an external video processor.

If you really want to, you could edit the custom gamma at 5% and slightly increase the value, which should raise the brightness of the darkest areas above black, but shouldn't really be needed.
post #984 of 1221
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Originally Posted by Isantus View Post

Thanks for all the great info! This is my first projector so the entire project has been a learning opportunity for me. I am still learning to use the unit and reading the manual like it is my favorite book. In conjunction with all of the info I have learned from this website, I feel that I have a pretty good idea of what to dial in for the time being. The projector looks just simply amazing but I don't want to miss any obvious settings for the time being as this is completely new to me. When I have purchased TVs in the past I know what to adjust for the most part to get it out of Torch Mode and to something more accurate to color and picture. However, these projectors don't seem to come set up the same way as a TV in terms of looking for the brightest picture out of the box. They seem to come pretty close to a solid picture so it is not as obvious to me what needs to be adjusted.

The biggest concern I have right now is the shadow detail. I am not sure if my expectations are high coming from a plasma VT50, or if I am not setting something up correctly but I seem to have a bit of black crush. Details do not stand out as well to me in dark areas of the screen. Keep in mind my room is not completely blacked out (the wife will never let that happen). I have complete control of all light in the room but the walls, ceiling and carpet are all a dark brown. I know that is not helping my situation either.

Any other thoughts would be wonderful. Thanks again everyone!

I've found that the custom gamma 2.3 setting completely crushes shadow detail on my RS4810. The custom 2.2 (which is the exact same as the "normal" setting your 4810 is probably set to by default) was better, but still crushing blacks. Gamma A will get you much better shadow detail, but overall i think it gives a picture that is somewhat washed out or flat.

So I was using Normal gamma and then used the "dark level" adjustment (raised up a few clicks for white) to raise shadow details. Then I tried SOWKs custom settings posted earlier in this thread, and I think they work pretty well without having to adjust the "dark level" settings, so I stuck with those. I can try to post SOWK's setting later (or maybe he can post them again?).

As for the sharpness, the RS4810 doesn't have the sharpness and detail settings that RS46 does (unless I'm missing them somewhere), probably because the 4810 has the MPC settings instead.
Edited by seanbryan - 2/9/13 at 7:58am
post #985 of 1221
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Originally Posted by Kelvin1965S View Post

Do you mean that you have to watch with some lights on or just that you can't completely black out the room during the day?

I watch with all lights off and there are no windows. I am saying that my wife won't let me paint the entire room black. I am thinking of painting the entire screen wall black to help, but not sure if it will make that much of a difference. I think it is just that I have very high expectations coming from one of the top of the line plasmas. Don't get me wrong, I am thrilled with the purchase especially with the price for AVS. For a first projector ever purchase it is simply amazing to be watching on such a large screen 138" 16:9.
post #986 of 1221
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Originally Posted by seanbryan View Post

. I can try to post SOWK's setting later (or maybe he can post them again?).

That may be beneficial for the time being. I have messed with a lot of the settings to try to work out the details of the shadow. I am currently running it in low lamp with the iris at -7. Seems plenty bright to me and helps with the black level detail.
post #987 of 1221
I don't think that changing your screen wall to black will make any difference in terms of being able to see shadow detail more clearly since light doesn't tend to reflect back to the screen from there (though many people do prefer to have a black screen surround). It might well be a combination of your large (gain?) screen and using -7 on the iris,plus presumably a fair bit of zoom. So for example, compared to my 1.5 gain screen, minimum zoom, -15 iris for just over 100" 16:9 diagonal (or 11" wide 2.35:1 iris -8) I should be getting a fair bit more contrast than your set up. In fact depending on your screen gain, perhaps -7 isn't high enough so perhaps poor shadow detail is partly down to lower light levels generally. Your calibrator will presumably set it up such that you have between 14-20fL (I'm at 15fL myself) and he may have to open the iris some more than you have now.

I hadn't realised that the RS4810/X55 doesn't have the sharpness control that my X35 has, but it makes sense if you have similar controls in the MPC menu. Plus I forgot about the dark level controls too that I don't have (since I have a Lumagen I don't need them anyway).
Edited by Kelvin1965S - 2/9/13 at 9:42am
post #988 of 1221
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Originally Posted by Isantus View Post

That may be beneficial for the time being. I have messed with a lot of the settings to try to work out the details of the shadow. I am currently running it in low lamp with the iris at -7. Seems plenty bright to me and helps with the black level detail.

Try out these gamma settings posted by SOWK here:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1430236/offical-jvc-dla-rs4810-owners-thread/870#post_22884345

Another option you can play with is the "Dark / Bright level" controls. This is different from the normal "brightness" setting. Bumping up the white dark level control will bring out more shadow detail.

But definitely try SOWK's suggested settings.
post #989 of 1221
Almost at 300 hours as of last night. Low lamp when new, center max lux reading was 180 for 8.5' wide 16x9 screen from around 13 feet back throw. Many times now especially in first couple of hours on the reading is "down to" 165 lux. (Was calibrated at 100 hours). But then there are other times like at the end of about 4 hours on last night where it will be giving me 175-176 again. eek.gif Wow!! Very happy with this lamp!
post #990 of 1221
Hey guys, just got mine a few months ago, but I'm noticing that in certain scenes, the image will flicker brighter or darker (more contrasty) almost like it's on some sort of auto dynamic iris mode.
To the best of my knowledge, the JVC's only have manual iris control so any idea what might be causing this behavior? This is for 2D only. I have not looked at 3D content yet.
Iris is set to -12.
Thanks for shedding any light.
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