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post #121 of 4487
Holy crap, will someone just go to the store and smash the screen of the 950 so we can finally end the LED zone discussion. Or we can wait for someone to need a service call that requires removing the screen from the backlight.
post #122 of 4487
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Originally Posted by sytech View Post

Holy crap, will someone just go to the store and smash the screen of the 950 so we can finally end the LED zone discussion. Or we can wait for someone to need a service call that requires removing the screen from the backlight.

we have to verified counts from two owners on the 55" same # as the 929
post #123 of 4487
Thread Starter 
Not to belabor the "zone" discussion, but does anyone know what the special sauce in the HX850 is? All the reviews I've come across praise the excellent, uniform blacks on the display with miminal blooming. It was said to rival the 929 with its sparse # of edge LEDs. Clearly there is more to black level performace than sheer # of edge LEDs. What tricks does Sony play to homogenize the light? And have they been employed in the HX950? From my viewing position, blooming is only apparent during end credits or when I'm very off-axis horizontally (which is how I counted the # of LED zones). The vertical off-axis is much better, which I've read was an issue with the 929 -- this is an important consideration in determining how high to mount.

BTW, for those who decide to mount their displays, be prepared to spend a good amount of time buffing the paw prints off the screen -- though what I thought was a stubborn smudge toward the bottom right of the panel was actually a sensor. smile.gif I also peeled the little white energy star sticker off the glass -- it looks much more "monolithic" without the accoutrements.
post #124 of 4487
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Originally Posted by IMRIZZO 

I don't know where the claim of higher zones originated because Sony NEVER discloses that info (highly guarded secret). A trusted source I've known for a long time denied increased zones.
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According to representatives at IFA (who don't always tend to offer the most consistent specifications), the full-array system includes 196 individual zones,
http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/31/sony-bravia-hx950-hands-on/

I retrospect 196 dimming zones seems to be an exaggeration. 55HX950 has 105 dimming zones, 65HX950 has probably 115 dimming zones.


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Originally Posted by airgas1998 
we have to verified count from two owners on the 55'' same # as the 929

post #51 55HX950 owner ONE
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1430346/sony-xbr-hx950-owners-thread-xbr-55hx9-50-and-xbr-65hx95-0/30#post_22422844

post #71 55HX950 owner TWO
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1430346/sony-xbr-hx950-owners-thread-xbr-55hx9-50-and-xbr-65hx95-0/60#post_22423731
post #125 of 4487
We won't really know till someone gets a 65 and tests it. I will say this, that 196 number would definately justify the $2000 premium over the 55.
post #126 of 4487
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Originally Posted by 8mile13 View Post


http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/31/sony-bravia-hx950-hands-on/
I retrospect 196 dimming zones seems to be an exaggeration. 55HX950 has 105 dimming zones, 65HX950 has probably 115 dimming zones.
post #51 55HX950 owner ONE
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1430346/sony-xbr-hx950-owners-thread-xbr-55hx9-50-and-xbr-65hx95-0/30#post_22422844
post #71 55HX950 owner TWO
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1430346/sony-xbr-hx950-owners-thread-xbr-55hx9-50-and-xbr-65hx95-0/60#post_22423731


Have you taken your remedy today?
post #127 of 4487
Thanks for the heads up on the new discount guys! I now ended up getting the TV for $5K after taxes from Sony store. Amazon was not an option for me because I have to pay tax there too but could not get EPP program discount.

UPDATE: Wow, the Sony Store people have mud for brains. First they could not adjust my original order so I cancelled it. Placed a new order at the lower price and THEY CANCELED THAT TOO because "they wanted to ensure I still wanted the TV" in their words. WTF??! Why would I cancel an order and place a new one at a lower price right afterwards but actually not want the TV? They actually called me AFTER they canceled the second order to confirm if I still wanted it. Shouldn't logic dictate that you call the customer BEFORE canceling the order on them to find out if they still want it? Of course they could not "uncancel" the second order, so I placed a third order after I begged them not to cancel this time . eek.gif
Edited by Flavius - 9/23/12 at 11:36am
post #128 of 4487
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Originally Posted by Flavius View Post

Thanks for the heads up on the new discount guys! I just got the 65" for under $5000 now after tax with the EPP program! Saved over $550 from the original price thanks to discount and tax savings. Had to cancel the original order though. I better not end up with TWO 65" TVs! Amazon was not an option for me because I have to pay tax there too.
UPDATE: Wow, the Sony Store people have mud for brains. First they could not adjust my original order so I cancelled it Placed a new order at the lower price and THEY CANCELED THAT TOO because "they wanted to ensure I still wanted the TV" in their words. WTF??! Why would I cancel an order and place a new one at a lower price right afterwards but actually not want the TV? Of course they could not "uncancel" the second order, so I placed a third order after I begged them not to cancel this time . eek.gif

two for the price of one, would be nice though.
post #129 of 4487
What are the odds this tv drops anymore between now & feb?

I hate this new price fixing crap frown.gif
post #130 of 4487
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Originally Posted by vexious View Post

What are the odds this tv drops anymore between now & feb?
I hate this new price fixing crap frown.gif

I don't foresee that changing anytime soon There maybe some discounted offers around the holidays, but Sony and other manufacturers are trying to recover from losses due to natural disasters and lower than expected sales due to the general economy around the world. All manufacturers declared lower than expected sales and their future sales don't look much better.
post #131 of 4487
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Originally Posted by IMRIZZO View Post

I don't foresee that changing anytime soon There maybe some discounted offers around the holidays, but Sony and other manufacturers are trying to recover from losses due to natural disasters and lower than expected sales due to the general economy around the world. All manufacturers declared lower than expected sales and their future sales don't look much better.

It's no wonder these companies are not doing well. If your going to make a flagship device they should have done something to distinguish it from previous versions. If not then don't put one out at all.
post #132 of 4487
Why such poor remote, right?

My HX820 46'' has a better remote and it even lights up.

Why would they do this to the 950?

Sony...

Still, I want one!
post #133 of 4487
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Originally Posted by WandVillela 
Don´t waste your time.

This guy wants to shove down our throats their theory.
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Originally Posted by WandVillela 
Have you taken your remedy today?

You really should threat fellow posters with some more respect, dude.


btw there is no theory and there is no remedy, don't know where you've got that nonsense from tongue.gif
post #134 of 4487
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Originally Posted by airgas1998 View Post

"only full array local dimming Samsung a950"
your forgetting about the 8500 as well...



The a950 and 8500 are the only great sets Samsung ever made. It's not a coincidence they are both local dimmers.
post #135 of 4487
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Originally Posted by koffas View Post

...BTW, for those who decide to mount their displays, be prepared to spend a good amount of time buffing the paw prints off the screen -- though what I thought was a stubborn smudge toward the bottom right of the panel was actually a sensor. smile.gif I also peeled the little white energy star sticker off the glass -- it looks much more "monolithic" without the accoutrements.
Actually, I think the item in the bottom right of the panel isn't a sensor, but the IR blaster for 3D glasses. At night when watching a 3D movie and looking directly at it, I can see a faint red glow to it. A few seconds after I block it, the 3D glasses lose their sync.

That's a good tip about the energy star sticker. I just peeled mine off too. I assumed it was on with some rather sticky adhesive, but it easily and cleanly came off.
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Originally Posted by Flavius View Post

...UPDATE: Wow, the Sony Store people have mud for brains. First they could not adjust my original order so I cancelled it. ...
Heh, I'm going through a similar experience with my order from the Sony Store. I originally pre-ordered it as soon as they listed it. Then when the price dropped by $500, I called them to see if they could adjust the price because they do have a price matching policy. But no, they can't edit an order that is pending. I had to wait for it to ship before they can do a price match and credit my card the $500 difference, which I'm still waiting on. This sure isn't one of the top tier sellers out there.
post #136 of 4487
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Originally Posted by koffas View Post

Got her mounted just in time for college football!
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IMG_7467_zps2dd6b48d.jpg
IMG_7474_zpsc186e06e.jpg

Great! Now how about the TV!smile.gif

I couldn't resist.

The pics look awesome. Enjoy!
post #137 of 4487
Anyone else find it odd that the "XBR" in the upper right is not a seamless part of the front glass the way the "Bravia" and "Sony" are elsewhere. Maybe they have different model names for other regions or something so resorted to this sticker thing here?
post #138 of 4487
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Originally Posted by TitusTroy View Post

I hate 3D glasses that are open on the sides...won't that allow light to seep through?

Isn't that how RealD and IMAX3D glasses are in the theater?
Edited by jmjunker - 9/23/12 at 8:04pm
post #139 of 4487
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Originally Posted by IMRIZZO View Post

I don't foresee that changing anytime soon There maybe some discounted offers around the holidays, but Sony and other manufacturers are trying to recover from losses due to natural disasters and lower than expected sales due to the general economy around the world. All manufacturers declared lower than expected sales and their future sales don't look much better.

And the strong Yen to US Dollar wink.gif
post #140 of 4487
Few brief comments with my limited use so far:

Blacks are very dark. Gorilla glass is shiny, but reflections so far haven't been that bad with windows directly behind the viewing area. Monolithic design looks stunning...especially flush mounted.

GT5 on the PS3 allowed me to tilt my head 30 degrees or so before colors started to change and the 3D was impacted. Welcome to polarizers. Don't see why you would watch a movie flop-headed anyway. Surprisingly little 3D content out there still. Thinking about picking up: Promethius, The Nightmare Before Christmas, and Finding Nemo.

Don't see any indication of zones so far. Extremely good uniformity. Frame interpolation doesn't have the eerie "soap opera" amateur video effect, that I see on Samsung. Appear smoother without distracting or seeming artificial.

Stand looks great and will hold me over until I can wall mount this set. It's more of an anthracite or titanium than chrome.

Will update more shortly.
post #141 of 4487
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Originally Posted by jmjunker View Post

Few brief comments with my limited use so far:
Blacks are very dark. Gorilla glass is shiny, but reflections so far haven't been that bad with windows directly behind the viewing area. Monolithic design looks stunning...especially flush mounted.
GT5 on the PS3 allowed me to tilt my head 30 degrees or so before colors started to change and the 3D was impacted. Welcome to polarizers. Don't see why you would watch a movie flop-headed anyway. Surprisingly little 3D content out there still. Thinking about picking up: Promethius, The Nightmare Before Christmas, and Finding Nemo.
Don't see any indication of zones so far. Extremely good uniformity. Frame interpolation doesn't have the eerie "soap opera" amateur video effect, that I see on Samsung. Appear smoother without distracting or seeming artificial.
Stand looks great and will hold me over until I can wall mount this set. It's more of an anthracite or titanium than chrome.
Will update more shortly.

Oh what joyous things to read on the 3D and interpolation front! How is Wipeout HD, or maybe Halo CE? Does it say anywhere if the TV supports 1080p60Hz Frame Packed 3D?

I'm actually a bit concerned you don't see any SOE like on Samsung. Worried the judder reduction so critical for low framerate games and movies isn't as good as a result. But the Motionflow 960 effect I saw on a HX929 in Fry's was incredible.

I recommend you try Open Season 3D, it's supposed to have the best 3D of any BluRay out there, believe it or not.
post #142 of 4487
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Originally Posted by jmjunker View Post

Few brief comments with my limited use so far:
Blacks are very dark. Gorilla glass is shiny, but reflections so far haven't been that bad with windows directly behind the viewing area. Monolithic design looks stunning...especially flush mounted.
GT5 on the PS3 allowed me to tilt my head 30 degrees or so before colors started to change and the 3D was impacted. Welcome to polarizers. Don't see why you would watch a movie flop-headed anyway. Surprisingly little 3D content out there still. Thinking about picking up: Promethius, The Nightmare Before Christmas, and Finding Nemo.
Don't see any indication of zones so far. Extremely good uniformity. Frame interpolation doesn't have the eerie "soap opera" amateur video effect, that I see on Samsung. Appear smoother without distracting or seeming artificial.
Stand looks great and will hold me over until I can wall mount this set. It's more of an anthracite or titanium than chrome.
Will update more shortly.

How would you say is the depth and clarity? I cant remember where I read it, but I recall a review on the 850 saying the 3D was really good, but subtle. Any thoughts?
post #143 of 4487
3D Update:

Just found hundreds of 3D clips under Home->Internet Content->3D Experience. They look amazing. No flicker with the Ti glasses and you can tilt your head pretty far 30-45˚ before you start to get color change or double-imaging. And when it falls off, it doesn't fall off a cliff.

It also looks very smooth. Guess it's still interpolating 480 of that 960 per channel. cool.gif

The 3D effect on some content such as Spiderman MIB3 is pretty intense actually. Also, just checked with Resident Evil and I can literally be off-axis 80˚+ and the effect is still there without any strange effects. That's actually very surprising to me to be honest. I keep trying stuff out to get a better feel for everything.

Content is my biggest issue right now because I am either running my content from my old MacBook Pro or a PS3. Mostly, Netflix, Amazon On Demand, and digital files. Tempted to sign up with DirecTV at some point. Looks like they have 5 3D channels.

The titanium glasses are great - light and comfortable! The power button is super-small and nested awkwardly just under the nose bridge. They come with two interchangeable sizes of nose bridges. After having used them I can say I prefer them without a surround. First, you don't look like an idiot with these glasses. They look reasonably stylish. Secondly, you can do other things like work on you computer, use the remote, and even type reviews on AVS! biggrin.gif On my face I'd say the lens extends down to the bottom floor viewing at about 10 feet, and then if you look down like a bi-focal you can use your laptop in your lap, etc.You charge them off of a micro-USB port at the bottom of the nose bridge. The instructions say they have an operating time of 15 hours and charge in 40 minutes.

Will play with this stuff more this week and keep you guys posted.
Edited by jmjunker - 9/23/12 at 10:04pm
post #144 of 4487
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Originally Posted by Flavius View Post

Does it say anywhere if the TV supports 1080p60Hz Frame Packed 3D?

Doesn't look like it.

The Spec Sheet in the Set-Up Guide say that it supports the following 3D modes:

Frame Packing: 1080p30, 1080p24, 1080i60, 720p30/60, 720p24

Side-by-Side: 1080p60, ", ", ", ", "
post #145 of 4487
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gorthocar View Post

Actually, I think the item in the bottom right of the panel isn't a sensor, but the IR blaster for 3D glasses. At night when watching a 3D movie and looking directly at it, I can see a faint red glow to it. A few seconds after I block it, the 3D glasses lose their sync.
That's a good tip about the energy star sticker. I just peeled mine off too. I assumed it was on with some rather sticky adhesive, but it easily and cleanly came off.

Yup, that was the 3D trasmitter. The IR sensor is on the left side. I'll need to pick up a pair of 3D glasses... Sony's prices are a bit steeper compared to my Samsung glasses.
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Originally Posted by jenz View Post

Anyone else find it odd that the "XBR" in the upper right is not a seamless part of the front glass the way the "Bravia" and "Sony" are elsewhere. Maybe they have different model names for other regions or something so resorted to this sticker thing here?

Their branding does vary by region. E.g., in Europe, the model # is prefixed with KDL instead of XBR.
post #146 of 4487
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jmjunker View Post

Few brief comments with my limited use so far:
Blacks are very dark. Gorilla glass is shiny, but reflections so far haven't been that bad with windows directly behind the viewing area. Monolithic design looks stunning...especially flush mounted.
GT5 on the PS3 allowed me to tilt my head 30 degrees or so before colors started to change and the 3D was impacted. Welcome to polarizers. Don't see why you would watch a movie flop-headed anyway. Surprisingly little 3D content out there still. Thinking about picking up: Promethius, The Nightmare Before Christmas, and Finding Nemo.
Don't see any indication of zones so far. Extremely good uniformity. Frame interpolation doesn't have the eerie "soap opera" amateur video effect, that I see on Samsung. Appear smoother without distracting or seeming artificial.
Stand looks great and will hold me over until I can wall mount this set. It's more of an anthracite or titanium than chrome.
Will update more shortly.

Congrats, don't forget to post pics when you get it mounted. I actually like the stand as well, but these panels are made to be mounted. It's probably the most beautiful piece of CE I own.

Reports say the antiglare performance has been improved by filling the air gap with a resin and eliminating the refractive index mismatch. As far as reflections, they're fairly dark / muted in all but direct sunlight. It clearly performs better than the filter on my PDP -- though that's not really news to most AV folks.
Edited by koffas - 9/23/12 at 11:36pm
post #147 of 4487
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Originally Posted by jmjunker View Post

Doesn't look like it.
The Spec Sheet in the Set-Up Guide say that it supports the following 3D modes:
Frame Packing: 1080p30, 1080p24, 1080i60, 720p30/60, 720p24
Side-by-Side: 1080p60, ", ", ", ", "

Ok, thanks. At least it makes me feel better about not buying a receiver that is outdated compared to my TV. If I end up liking the HX950, it will be a loooong time before I get to experience 1080p60 Frame Packed. Starting to wonder if next gen consoles will even bother with 3D. mad.gif
post #148 of 4487
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Originally Posted by jmjunker View Post

3D Update:
Just found hundreds of 3D clips under Home->Internet Content->3D Experience. They look amazing. No flicker with the Ti glasses and you can tilt your head pretty far 30-45˚ before you start to get color change or double-imaging. And when it falls off, it doesn't fall off a cliff.
It also looks very smooth. Guess it's still interpolating 480 of that 960 per channel. cool.gif
The 3D effect on some content such as Spiderman MIB3 is pretty intense actually. Also, just checked with Resident Evil and I can literally be off-axis 80˚+ and the effect is still there without any strange effects. That's actually very surprising to me to be honest. I keep trying stuff out to get a better feel for everything.
Content is my biggest issue right now because I am either running my content from my old MacBook Pro or a PS3. Mostly, Netflix, Amazon On Demand, and digital files. Tempted to sign up with DirecTV at some point. Looks like they have 5 3D channels.
The titanium glasses are great - light and comfortable! The power button is super-small and nested awkwardly just under the nose bridge. They come with two interchangeable sizes of nose bridges. After having used them I can say I prefer them without a surround. First, you don't look like an idiot with these glasses. They look reasonably stylish. Secondly, you can do other things like work on you computer, use the remote, and even type reviews on AVS! biggrin.gif On my face I'd say the lens extends down to the bottom floor viewing at about 10 feet, and then if you look down like a bi-focal you can use your laptop in your lap, etc.You charge them off of a micro-USB port at the bottom of the nose bridge. The instructions say they have an operating time of 15 hours and charge in 40 minutes.
Will play with this stuff more this week and keep you guys posted.

THANKS, YOU MADE MY NIGHT!! Short of dead pixels, this TV is a keeper when I get my 65"!
post #149 of 4487
Are the glasses TDG BR750 backward compatible with the models NX720 HX820 and XBR-HX920??
post #150 of 4487
Careful self-calibration should produce these kinda results:

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