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post #1411 of 4483
Hey, quick owners question, for the "owners thread" here....... Does this thing have ISFccc Calibration ? Can't seem to find it anywhere, and when I bought it, I just assumed a TV of this standard would have it. Called Sony, and they seem worse than Dell as of lately with every customer service representative being in India and not really knowing crap about the Sony products. So I got no help there. Other than a recommendation for me to call their "Tech Dept." for a $4 a minute charge !!! eek.gif

WTF ?

Anyway, does anybody know, or what ?
post #1412 of 4483
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Originally Posted by JoelxD View Post

Hey, quick owners question, for the "owners thread" here....... Does this thing have ISFccc Calibration ? Can't seem to find it anywhere, and when I bought it, I just assumed a TV of this standard would have it. Called Sony, and they seem worse than Dell as of lately with every customer service representative being in India and not really knowing crap about the Sony products. So I got no help there. Other than a recommendation for me to call their "Tech Dept." for a $4 a minute charge !!! eek.gif
WTF ?
Anyway, does anybody know, or what ?

Simple answer...no it does not.

Aaron
post #1413 of 4483
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Originally Posted by PatrickA5 View Post

OK, so I've done enough "research" by reading this forum and whatever else reviews I could find (CNET, Amazon, etc) and I'm ready to plop down my $3K at Best Buy today and get the 55" only to find that every Best Buy in my area only got ONE each and have them as floor models. The Magnolia guy had no idea when or if they would be getting anything in. He did offer to contact his Sony rep and see if the Sony guy could "push" a TV through the system which he said would be a shorter timeframe than if he had to try to get one through Best Buy normal chanels. Anyway, the guy did sound pretty knowledgeable about the TV (compared to most BB sales guys). The only reason I wanted to go through BB was free delivery and setup and as a Silver Rewards member I had an offer for 3X points (worth about $180). I told him I'd think about it and let him know next weekend. They had the TV next to the 850 and the Samsung 8000. I could clearly tell the difference.

If you can wait for Amazon to get them back in stock, I'd go that route. They also have free delivery and setup, they give you 2% back after 45 days of ownership ($45 in your case), and no sales tax. They have a great return policy if there is an issue with the panel too. I got my 65" last week from them and couldn't be happier.
post #1414 of 4483
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Originally Posted by JoelxD View Post

Hey, quick owners question, for the "owners thread" here....... Does this thing have ISFccc Calibration ? Can't seem to find it anywhere, and when I bought it, I just assumed a TV of this standard would have it. Called Sony, and they seem worse than Dell as of lately with every customer service representative being in India and not really knowing crap about the Sony products. So I got no help there. Other than a recommendation for me to call their "Tech Dept." for a $4 a minute charge !!! eek.gif
WTF ?
Anyway, does anybody know, or what ?

ISF Calibration, is a calibration service performed by an ISF certified calibrator, it is not a built-in or pre-programed setting.
Edited by IMRIZZO - 11/5/12 at 5:57am
post #1415 of 4483
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Originally Posted by IMRIZZO View Post

ISF Calibration, is a calibration service performed by an ISF certified calibrator, it is not a built-in or pre-programed setting.

I was thinking a long the lines of the pro modes on Panasonic's hi end plasmas with full 10 point cms, rather than a paid calibration as Sony models don't have full cms control.
post #1416 of 4483
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Originally Posted by taken View Post

If you can wait for Amazon to get them back in stock, I'd go that route. They also have free delivery and setup, they give you 2% back after 45 days of ownership ($45 in your case), and no sales tax. They have a great return policy if there is an issue with the panel too. I got my 65" last week from them and couldn't be happier.

No sales tax? Depends on where you live. California now pays sales tax, as do some other states.
post #1417 of 4483
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Originally Posted by HaRd2BeAr View Post

I was thinking a long the lines of the pro modes on Panasonic's hi end plasmas with full 10 point cms, rather than a paid calibration as Sony models don't have full cms control.

Panasonic's high-end plasma models come with a couple of preset THX certified calibration modes. I had a GT50 briefly, and for me, neither mode worked all that well straight out of the box in my particular home viewing environment. The room gets a fair amount of ambient light during the day, and without considerable tweaking, the picture looked dull and lifeless. At night, though, with Blu-ray content in the same darkened room, the picture quality was stunning. Also, I found the quality of the OTA and STB picture to be pretty mediocre. In the end, I decided that plasma was not for me. That said, personally, I think a full CMS is an important feature for any high-end TV to have, and the fact that the 950 series does not appear to have one, may be viewed by some as a potential Achiles heel.
Edited by pitchman - 11/5/12 at 9:15am
post #1418 of 4483
I might just go the Amazon route since I'd save $255 in sales tax. Just a quick question. For those that have had to return a TV to Amazon, what is the procedure? Do you just notify them and they come pick up the TV?
post #1419 of 4483
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Originally Posted by bekindrewind View Post

No sales tax? Depends on where you live. California now pays sales tax, as do some other states.

NY State requires Amazon to collect tx also.
Edited by IMRIZZO - 11/5/12 at 10:16am
post #1420 of 4483
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Originally Posted by HaRd2BeAr View Post


Simple answer...no it does not.

Aaron
Thanks Aaron. So hey, whats the not so "simple" answer ? biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by IMRIZZO View Post


ISF Calibration, is a calibration service performed by an ISF certified calibrator, it is not a built-in or pre-programed setting.
I do understand that, but it is a mode/port the tech can get into and use right ? So he has way more control over a TV with ISF capabilities than one with not.

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Originally Posted by HaRd2BeAr View Post

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Originally Posted by IMRIZZO View Post

ISF Calibration, is a calibration service performed by an ISF certified calibrator, it is not a built-in or pre-programed setting.

I was thinking a long the lines of the pro modes on Panasonic's hi end plasmas with full 10 point cms, rather than a paid calibration as Sony models don't have full cms control.
Yea, that what I was exactly asking. On my moms VT50 it has ISF, so once her 200hrs are up, we can utilize that. When my 200hrs are up on my XBR950, what can I do really ? What could a calibrater do with this 950 that I can't ?

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Originally Posted by pitchman View Post

personally, I think a full CMS is an important feature for any high-end TV to have, and the fact that the 950 series does not appear to have one, may be viewed by some as a potential Achiles heel.
This is my feelings exactly. Adding that to the fact I can not get ANY USB key to play ANYTHING on it no matter what I do (following instructions to a tee), then yes, these are 2 pretty big jabs in my stomach to me :-(

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Originally Posted by PatrickA5 View Post

I might just go the Amazon route since I'd save $255 in sales tax.

FYI, when I went into my BB Magnolia Design Center, and I told them I found this same TV online with Free Shipping and no Tax (for me I had to reference B&H Photo.com cause I am in California and Amazon now SUCKS up to the fake government stealing everyones money - but thats another story), I said, match that or I walk. They found a way to match it. AND I got my triple Rewards Zone Points too ! So that works out to a better deal than Amazon.

My point to all this is, if you work it, every place will figure a way to cut the tax out for you and ship it for free. If they don't have the TV in stock that moment, have them drop-ship it from Sony. That happens as fast as Amazon.
post #1421 of 4483
Hey, I have the 55" and I went to the picture setting and set the display area to Full Pixel. However, Full Pixel will only stay at 1080i. Any resolution lower than that, the display area goes back to normal. Is that right? Shouldn't full pixel stay on for all HD resolutions (720p, 1080i, 1080P). Thanks for all your responses.
post #1422 of 4483
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Originally Posted by PatrickA5 View Post

I might just go the Amazon route since I'd save $255 in sales tax. Just a quick question. For those that have had to return a TV to Amazon, what is the procedure? Do you just notify them and they come pick up the TV?

Call/email Amazon, then they send you a confirmation email and contact the shipping partner( most likely CEVA). Ceva will then contact you and schedule a pick up. The entire return process should take about a week. I think it will take a few weeks to get the money back on your card though.

If the tv is defective, Amazon wont charge for return shipping, but if you just don't like it, I think they will charge you $100.



Below is the email AMazon will send you...

Hello Mike,

I'm sorry to hear your TV is defective. Since your order was shipped by CEVA, one of our specialty shippers, I've asked them to contact you to make arrangements to pick up the Sony XBR55HX950 55-inch 240HZ 1080p 3D Internet Full-Array LED HDTV (Black) and return it to us for a refund. The carrier will bring all required paper-work so you won't need to print off a return label. Once the carrier receives the form, they can take anywhere from 24-48 hours to contact you to arrange the pick up.

If you haven't heard from CEVA, please feel free to contact them directly. I've listed their phone number and the tracking number for your shipment below. It may take an additional 24-48 hours before the pick-up request is visible in their system.

Shipper's Name: CEVA
Tracking Number: XXXXXXXXX
Phone Number: XXXXXXXXXXX

If you're unable to reach CEVA for some reason, you can contact us using the following link:

Please visit the following link to provide the information we requested:

xxxxxxxxxxxx

Because the TV was defective, we'll pay for the return shipping costs. Please do your best to disassemble the item and package it for return transit. It doesn't necessarily need to be returned in the same package it was delivered in. Feel free to use multiple boxes if needed.

When we receive your return, we'll issue a full refund and send you an e-mail confirming the refund amount.

I hope this helps. We look forward to seeing you again soon.

Thank you for your inquiry. Did I solve your problem?
post #1423 of 4483
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Originally Posted by JoelxD View Post

Thanks Aaron. So hey, whats the not so "simple" answer ? biggrin.gif
I do understand that, but it is a mode/port the tech can get into and use right ? So he has way more control over a TV with ISF capabilities than one with not.

A Calibrator accesses the Service menu that you don't have access to, You can gain access to the service menu but it is advised not to, because you can really screw up your set if you don't know what your doing, or don't have proper calibration equipment.
post #1424 of 4483
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Originally Posted by IMRIZZO View Post

A Calibrator accesses the Service menu that you don't have access to, You can gain access to the service menu but it is advised not to, because you can really screw up your set if you don't know what your doing, or don't have proper calibration equipment.
Most LG latest Tv's doesnt need to go to the access menu to to get calibrated, ISF Day and ISF Night are already enabled for all the inputs.
post #1425 of 4483
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Originally Posted by nyorker27 View Post

Hey, I have the 55" and I went to the picture setting and set the display area to Full Pixel. However, Full Pixel will only stay at 1080i. Any resolution lower than that, the display area goes back to normal. Is that right? Shouldn't full pixel stay on for all HD resolutions (720p, 1080i, 1080P). Thanks for all your responses.

Unless you are up-converting your 720p signal 1080i through an AVR or STB, the 950 will default to Normal for a 720p signal or below (once you set that option). Full Pixel only kicks in with native 1080i or 1080p signals. At least, that's how mine works.
post #1426 of 4483
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Originally Posted by caloyzki View Post

Most LG latest Tv's doesnt need to go to the access menu to to get calibrated, ISF Day and ISF Night are already enabled for all the inputs.

Samsung does a similar thing with its Cal Day and Cal Night settings, but (normally) those options don't become available until a calibrator goes into the service menu and does an initial setup.
post #1427 of 4483
My XBR-950 65" arrived today.
I did not have any time for testing as delivery was during my lunch time and I run back to work.
One thing I noticed during initial 10 min check - stuck pixel in a lower left corner visible at White and Red color (about 4" from the corner).
It is not much visible from 9 feet or so but as I know it is there I am not sure I feel good about it. For the price i paid I expected NONE.
It is replacing my 52" XBR4 that never had a stuck/dead pixel.
Should I live with that or call Amazon for replacement?
Thanks
post #1428 of 4483
Just finished reading through this thread, a lot of good information!

I was in the market for 55" 929 (Love this set) when heard about 950. Saw it in Sony Store and wasn't too crazy about styling of it compared to 929. Of course styling is the last thing you want to think about when buying TV, but if there is almost no difference between n929 and 950 would it makes sense for me to get 929 for about $300 less than I'd pay for 950? Or you guys strongly suggest getting 950? I never had 3D TV, so to me 3D improvement on 950 over 929 isn't something I care much about, although maybe I should.
Should I just order 929?
post #1429 of 4483
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Originally Posted by CaneDawgg View Post

I had a chance to go to Bestbuy Magnolia store and spend about an hour comparing an Elite and the Sony 65HX950. It took some time but the two pictures looked nearly identical. The clarity, the color, the blacks.. all nearly identical. Neither had clouding, both had very slight haloing. There were literally identical.
The only noticeable difference was the motion of the picture. The Elite picture seemed to jutter a bit more than the Sony. The Sony movement was fluid without pixelation or blur. The Elite did not have banding.
The other difference I noticed was the Elite was $7,999 and the Sony was $4999
So essentially the difference is a screen 5 inches bigger and $3000 more expensive.

I saw your comment and must agree. I went to BB with my son and viewed the PRO 70X5FD and the sony 65HX950. The ELITE PRO 70X5FD was playing a special ELITE disc with view of a beach, city at night, flowers, and a gold dragon. Very impressive !!!!!
On the other wall was the Sony 65HX950 playing the Avengers Movie. This looked superb!!!!! As usual they have only one disc for every movie. They placed the Avengers disc in the ELITE and I was suprised that the picture motion was not fluid. If the term is
juttering, then I will use that term. The movement was inferior to the smooth motion of the sony 65HX950. This concerned me as I expected the picture to be better on the ELITE. Of note I had them play the ELITE disc in the SONY and the playback was inferior
to that of the ELITE PRO 70XFD. The ELITE disc looked markedly better on the ELITE PRO 70X5FD.
I prefer the larger screen of the ELITE but am concerned about the playback issue noted on the Avengers movie. I am leaning toward buying the Sony 65HX950 but will wait to see if any special sales in the future on this tv. Can any of you comment on the viewing
issues with these top of the line tv's? Have any of you performed a direct comparison of these 2 tv's side by side. Thanks.
post #1430 of 4483
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Originally Posted by a1sy View Post

My XBR-950 65" arrived today.
I did not have any time for testing as delivery was during my lunch time and I run back to work.
One thing I noticed during initial 10 min check - stuck pixel in a lower left corner visible at White and Red color (about 4" from the corner).
It is not much visible from 9 feet or so but as I know it is there I am not sure I feel good about it. For the price i paid I expected NONE.
It is replacing my 52" XBR4 that never had a stuck/dead pixel.
Should I live with that or call Amazon for replacement?
Thanks

That's one reason why i prefer to buy my electronics in-store and never with online retailers. I would definitely request a replacement for the amount of money the 65inch costs. The Sony Store / Best Buy will exchange the product within 30 days and dead pixels are covered under the extended warranties also. Not sure of how Amazon works.
post #1431 of 4483
I had the chance to check out the 65HX950 at the Sony Store on Long Island, NY and i did not notice any banding issues. I am guessing that the sony store might have better quality control on the products supplied to the store rather than the ones that can be found at best buy and other online retailers.

I will be purchasing the 65" soon once there's enough gas in my car to bring it back home but cant seem to justify the extra 2k$ for only 10 more inches and the possibility of issues reported in the forum. I presently own a 55XBR8 and HW30AES 3D Projector with a 125" screen.
post #1432 of 4483
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Originally Posted by a1sy View Post

My 950/65" arrived today.
I did not have any time for testing as delivery was during my lunch time and I run back to work.
One thing I noticed during initial 10 min check - stuck pixel in a lower left corner visible at White and Red color.
It is not much visible from 9 feet or so but as I know it is there I am not sure I feel good about it.
Should I live with that or call Amazon for replacement?
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Thank Shazi for reply and suggestion.
I checked local stores few times in Portland OR, could not find it, so I ordered from Amazon.
I will check tomorrow with them if they will replace it.


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Originally Posted by Shazi00 View Post

That's one reason why i prefer to buy my electronics in-store and never with online retailers. I would definitely request a replacement for the amount of money the 65inch costs. The Sony Store / Best Buy will exchange the product within 30 days and dead pixels are covered under the extended warranties also. Not sure of how Amazon works.

Thank Shazi for reply and suggestion.
I checked local stores few times in Portland OR, could not find it, so I ordered from Amazon.
I will check tomorrow with them if they will replace it.
post #1433 of 4483
FYI for the Chicagoans...Best Buy Magnolia on North Avenue downtown has a 60" Elite and 65" HX950 side by side if you want to take a gander and compare.
post #1434 of 4483
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Originally Posted by PalJoey View Post

FYI for the Chicagoans...Best Buy Magnolia on North Avenue downtown has a 60" Elite and 65" HX950 side by side if you want to take a gander and compare.
Have you had a chance to watch the same media playing from both tv's? If so is there a clear winner in your opinion? These 2 tv's are clearly the best led lcd tv's. Comparing HD content from satellite (Directv), and blu ray movies would be appreciated. Thanks for your thoughts.
post #1435 of 4483
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Originally Posted by mtrx View Post

Just finished reading through this thread, a lot of good information!
I was in the market for 55" 929 (Love this set) when heard about 950. Saw it in Sony Store and wasn't too crazy about styling of it compared to 929. Of course styling is the last thing you want to think about when buying TV, but if there is almost no difference between n929 and 950 would it makes sense for me to get 929 for about $300 less than I'd pay for 950? Or you guys strongly suggest getting 950? I never had 3D TV, so to me 3D improvement on 950 over 929 isn't something I care much about, although maybe I should.
Should I just order 929?

mtrx,
I am contemplating the same move. The differences seem negligible and I am not a big fan of the 950 stand since I feel it would distract me too much especially with night viewing. Also, all of the rave reviews and track records are under the 929's belt already so there will be no surprises which could potentially arise from the new 950 down the road.

Worth noting, not a 3D fan either and my set will be free so cost savings has no bearing on this decision.
post #1436 of 4483
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Originally Posted by steveofhearts View Post

Have you had a chance to watch the same media playing from both tv's? If so is there a clear winner in your opinion? These 2 tv's are clearly the best led lcd tv's. Comparing HD content from satellite (Directv), and blu ray movies would be appreciated. Thanks for your thoughts.

Ironically they had standard def playing on all sets at the time so I plan to go back this week and do a more elaborate study. From the limited bit I did see, yes...both sets do stand tall above the rest no doubt.
post #1437 of 4483
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Originally Posted by PalJoey View Post

mtrx,
I am contemplating the same move. The differences seem negligible and I am not a big fan of the 950 stand since I feel it would distract me too much especially with night viewing. Also, all of the rave reviews and track records are under the 929's belt already so there will be no surprises which could potentially arise from the new 950 down the road.
Worth noting, not a 3D fan either and my set will be free so cost savings has no bearing on this decision.

PalJoey, sounds like a no brainer smile.gif i found a deal on 55" for $2500, so going to pick it up this week.
Edited by mtrx - 11/5/12 at 7:22pm
post #1438 of 4483
Bow big of a difference in 3D is between 929 and 950? Is it big or if I have 't seen 950's 3D I will be happy with 3D on 929?
post #1439 of 4483
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Originally Posted by steveofhearts View Post

I saw your comment and must agree. I went to BB with my son and viewed the PRO 70X5FD and the sony 65HX950. The ELITE PRO 70X5FD was playing a special ELITE disc with view of a beach, city at night, flowers, and a gold dragon. Very impressive !!!!!
On the other wall was the Sony 65HX950 playing the Avengers Movie. This looked superb!!!!! As usual they have only one disc for every movie. They placed the Avengers disc in the ELITE and I was suprised that the picture motion was not fluid. If the term is
juttering, then I will use that term. The movement was inferior to the smooth motion of the sony 65HX950. This concerned me as I expected the picture to be better on the ELITE. Of note I had them play the ELITE disc in the SONY and the playback was inferior
to that of the ELITE PRO 70XFD. The ELITE disc looked markedly better on the ELITE PRO 70X5FD.
I prefer the larger screen of the ELITE but am concerned about the playback issue noted on the Avengers movie. I am leaning toward buying the Sony 65HX950 but will wait to see if any special sales in the future on this tv. Can any of you comment on the viewing
issues with these top of the line tv's? Have any of you performed a direct comparison of these 2 tv's side by side. Thanks.

"They placed the Avengers disc in the ELITE and I was suprised that the picture motion was not fluid. If the term is juttering, then I will use that term. The movement was inferior to the smooth motion of the sony 65HX950. This concerned me as I expected the picture to be better on the ELITE. "

If you went into the Elite menu and tried some other motion settings, you can get the Elite to play it as smooth as the Sony did. Just as going into the Sony menu and changing some of it's many motion controls will affect it's smoothness.

I have done a direct comparison of the 70X5FD and 65HX929 (rebadged as a 65HX950) both running the same time out of my Anthem D2v and Oppo or Directv. Both sets were tweaked in movie mode, with cnet's settings. My findings were the Sony had better color accuracy and pop. The Elite had more consistent smooth motion when playing different dvd/blu-rays and Directv. The Sony I'd have to go into the menu and change some of the motion settings per the source I wanted to watch, more times then with the Elite. Some movies the Sony could not get the motion nailed (King Kong had some scenes where no mater what motion setting I tried, it could not find the right one), where the Elite always found a way to do it with some setting. The Elite has pulsing issues and some colors, (blues and greens) where not as accurate when compared to the Sony. I think the two very best LED sets out are the Elite and Sony. Sony, how about a 70HX950 for $8,500 vs Elites 70X5FD for $8,500. Five inches more really does help with immersion.
post #1440 of 4483
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Originally Posted by bekindrewind View Post

"They placed the Avengers disc in the ELITE and I was suprised that the picture motion was not fluid. If the term is juttering, then I will use that term. The movement was inferior to the smooth motion of the sony 65HX950. This concerned me as I expected the picture to be better on the ELITE. "
If you went into the Elite menu and tried some other motion settings, you can get the Elite to play it as smooth as the Sony did. Just as going into the Sony menu and changing some of it's many motion controls will affect it's smoothness.
I have done a direct comparison of the 70X5FD and 65HX929 (rebadged as a 65HX950) both running the same time out of my Anthem D2v and Oppo or Directv. Both sets were tweaked in movie mode, with cnet's settings. My findings were the Sony had better color accuracy and pop. The Elite had more consistent smooth motion when playing different dvd/blu-rays and Directv. The Sony I'd have to go into the menu and change some of the motion settings per the source I wanted to watch, more times then with the Elite. Some movies the Sony could not get the motion nailed (King Kong had some scenes where no mater what motion setting I tried, it could not find the right one), where the Elite always found a way to do it with some setting. The Elite has pulsing issues and some colors, (blues and greens) where not as accurate when compared to the Sony. I think the two very best LED sets out are the Elite and Sony. Sony, how about a 70HX950 for $8,500 vs Elites 70X5FD for $8,500. Five inches more really does help with immersion.

Your last statement is on the mark. Five inches on the elite appeared to give more immersion on viewing dvd media. The star war battle scene was more impressive on the Elite but again the flow appeared smoother on the sony 65HX950. The bottom line
is to go see the 2 tv's side by side and see the difference.
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