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Between the 2 65 inch 950s that we bought, one seems to be good with a little bit of banding. The other also has very minimal banding and a hair of dirty screen effect. The second one also delivered by Sony has a slight offset stand but I don't know if I can adjust that by loosening up the screws on the back. Other than those minor flaws, the TV supersedes anything that plasma technology Can bring to the table. Whites are much whiter, blacks are very inky. Also, the motion handling on these LCDs's is by far and away better than what I've seen on any other set out there and comparable with plasma as well as the sharp elite. Color reproduction is also very good and needs little tweaking on these sets out-of-the-box. The brightness actually comes at halfway being a number five, but I found the number three setting to be more than adequate in rooms with large windows. The only nitpicks that I can truly get after having been through this adventure, is that Sony's quality control on these sets is a little hit and miss. Between the two sets that I bought, we had to go through five other sets to get the two that we have right now that are acceptable. Issues such as dead and stuck pixels, hair or little globs of fuzz underneath the glass, and other defects in workmanship that show as damage on the exterior of the chassis of the television. But for what it's worth, you buy a TV about once every 3 to 5 years and you want it to be right. I can honestly say that my wife and I are very happy with the purchase that we made on these two sets. Plus, we also like the fit of the 3-D glasses that come with these television sets much better than any other television on the market. While I have seen some comments on here about the 55 inch being better than the 65 inch, my sister who has a 929 in the 55 inch I've seen and used as a basis for comparison against my own television sets. Her television can do absolutely scorching whites on it, but my biggest gripe with her set is that there is a Lot of backlight bleed. The television seems to need to have the brightness setting turned way down on her television set. Where is on the 65 inch version, I don't ever really see much bleeding or any of the haloing as I have on the 55 inch sets, it just seems to be a better picture overall with better blending.
post #1502 of 4484
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Originally Posted by scottrob View Post

Very, very happy with my 55HX950. Glad I took my wife to a Sony store to look at the HX850. They had an HX950 right next to it and she pointed to it and said I like that one better. Lucky me!

Did you take her for a lobster dinner after That ?
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Sounds like there are different panels. The tv is still here with me.

Is there any way to check the panel manufacturer?
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Originally Posted by mchamblissII View Post

I had the chance to see the Sony 55hx950 in person at Bestbuy today. I thought the tv was very nice but one thing that really distracted me was the rainbow reflection when it went into the dark scenes. I really notice it when one of the lights from the store was reflecting off of it. I compared this TV to the Elite and to me I think the Elite is doing a way better job as in picture performance and black levels. Now, this is just my opinion of what I saw at the store face to face. I didn't have a chance to play with the setting I'm going off of default setting that the store has on display. I know I am not suppose to base my opinion at the store but at home for the true test. I am wondering if this is standard on this TV if so, Sony really need to address this issue.

I never noticed a "rainbow reflection" on mine during dark scenes. It could be the bright lights in the store doing that.

BTW My tv is in a very dark room where minimal light enters.
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Originally Posted by greenslime View Post

Sounds like there are different panels. The tv is still here with me.
Is there any way to check the panel manufacturer?

Not without removing back panel.
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Originally Posted by IMRIZZO View Post

With the same number of pixels in HD, so as the panels get larger so do the pixels thus the smaller pixels create a sharper image much as with photos ....once you begin enlarging them they lose their sharpiness because the 'grain' grows as does the pixels.

I don't see how this makes sense. So if I had a 32" local dimming Sony that would make it a better panel simply because a smaller size gives a sharper picture than a larger size?

And sharpness is also relative to how far you sit from the tv. If I'm further back from a 55/65 the picture can be just as sharp as a 46" from a closer distance. It doesn't make it a better panel because they are still the same panels being used.
Edited by Hdfanboy444 - 11/9/12 at 9:46am
post #1507 of 4484
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Originally Posted by BarrettF77 View Post

Between the 2 65 inch 950s that we bought, one seems to be good with a little bit of banding. The other also has very minimal banding and a hair of dirty screen effect. The second one also delivered by Sony has a slight offset stand but I don't know if I can adjust that by loosening up the screws on the back. Other than those minor flaws, the TV supersedes anything that plasma technology Can bring to the table. Whites are much whiter, blacks are very inky. Also, the motion handling on these LCDs's is by far and away better than what I've seen on any other set out there and comparable with plasma as well as the sharp elite. Color reproduction is also very good and needs little tweaking on these sets out-of-the-box. The brightness actually comes at halfway being a number five, but I found the number three setting to be more than adequate in rooms with large windows. The only nitpicks that I can truly get after having been through this adventure, is that Sony's quality control on these sets is a little hit and miss. Between the two sets that I bought, we had to go through five other sets to get the two that we have right now that are acceptable. Issues such as dead and stuck pixels, hair or little globs of fuzz underneath the glass, and other defects in workmanship that show as damage on the exterior of the chassis of the television. But for what it's worth, you buy a TV about once every 3 to 5 years and you want it to be right. I can honestly say that my wife and I are very happy with the purchase that we made on these two sets. Plus, we also like the fit of the 3-D glasses that come with these television sets much better than any other television on the market. While I have seen some comments on here about the 55 inch being better than the 65 inch, my sister who has a 929 in the 55 inch I've seen and used as a basis for comparison against my own television sets. Her television can do absolutely scorching whites on it, but my biggest gripe with her set is that there is a Lot of backlight bleed. The television seems to need to have the brightness setting turned way down on her television set. Where is on the 65 inch version, I don't ever really see much bleeding or any of the haloing as I have on the 55 inch sets, it just seems to be a better picture overall with better blending.

I went from a 55hx929 to the 65hx929 and from what I remember both sets are plenty bright. I always keep my backlight at 3 and for both of them the tv got really bright on just 3 especially in a dark room.

It is also true that the uniformity on my 65 is better. The 55 with local dimming off showed a good amount of clouding whereas the 65 is a nice solid black, nearly perfect uniformity.

Could simply be I lucked out on the panel. I'm sure there are some 55s that are close to perfect uniformity out there too.

For pq they looked about the same despite having different panels so I'm confused about these reports here of the 65 looking bad vs the 55.
Edited by Hdfanboy444 - 11/9/12 at 9:48am
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Originally Posted by greenslime View Post

Sounds like there are different panels. The tv is still here with me.
Is there any way to check the panel manufacturer?

I'm not sure but if other owners of 65 are saying it looks good it could just be you and the other guy just landed on bad panels especially considering how bad the quality control is on these sets.

Honestly just try one more 65 before giving up.

If you want I can record an hd video of my set which is also 65 to see if its any better/worse than yours, let me know.
Edited by Hdfanboy444 - 11/9/12 at 9:49am
post #1509 of 4484
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Originally Posted by JoelxD View Post

MotionFlow: STANDARD
Cinemotion: AUTO 1 (most of the time) - OFF (for vary rare video game content, so far Dragon's Dogma is all I've found that works better with Cinemotion OFF)
Other than the rare Cinemotion change, these are "Set It And Forget It" settings. Guaranteed to give you the best results.
(Credits due to Flavius for these findings, but after long testing, I have verified it, which is why I also updated the Cinemotion issue.)

I play Dragon's Dogma. Why do you say Cinemotion should be off for this game? I haven't tried the difference yet, just wanted your thoughts.
post #1510 of 4484
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Originally Posted by Hdfanboy444 View Post

I don't see how this makes sense. So if I had a 32" local dimming Sony that would make it a better panel simply because a smaller size gives a sharper picture than a larger size?
And sharpness is also relative to how far you sit from the tv. If I'm further back from a 55/65 the picture can be just as sharp as a 46" from a closer distance. It doesn't make it a better panel because they are still the same panels being used.

Not a "BETTER" panel but a sharper image. The further away from the panel you are the sharper it will appear but in truth when examined 'up-cloe' the smaller the panel the sharper the image will be in actuality. get up really close to that 65" panel and tell me it's the same as it would appear on a smaller panel.
post #1511 of 4484
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Originally Posted by cosmos5861 View Post

So is the 65 inch a lemon?

Mine is good, exxwpt of few issue:
1. Stuck pixel in the lower lefr corner. Waiting for Amazon for replacement.
2.Viewing angle is really bad. Colors is getting washed out badly, much worse than my 52" XBR4.

The good thing is that sitting in front of it gives amazing black and overall image.
I have a 2 big windows behind my sofa, so I reflective screen is disappear with TV content.
post #1512 of 4484
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Originally Posted by a1sy View Post

Mine is good, exxwpt of few issue:
1. Stuck pixel in the lower lefr corner. Waiting for Amazon for replacement.
2.Viewing angle is really bad. Colors is getting washed out badly, much worse than my 52" XBR4.
The good thing is that sitting in front of it gives amazing black and overall image.
I have a 2 big windows behind my sofa, so I reflective screen is disappear with TV content.

My 65" is really good without those 2 issues. But I do have a very light vertical band down the middle, high contrast area crosstalk is too visible, and MotionFlow can't be turned on for 3D games, only movies. Honestly those are my only complaints. Superb otherwise. Dream TV.
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Originally Posted by Flavius View Post

My 65" is really good without those 2 issues. But I do have a very light vertical band down the middle, high contrast area crosstalk is too visible, and MotionFlow can't be turned on for 3D games, only movies. Honestly those are my only complaints. Superb otherwise. Dream TV.

Flavius, are you saying your viewing angle is good or it is just acceptable for you?
I think it is just technology of this panel giving quite few people unpleasant experience when watching from of axis.
Thanks
post #1514 of 4484
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Originally Posted by a1sy View Post

Flavius, are you saying your viewing angle is good or it is just acceptable for you?
I think it is just technology of this panel giving quite few people unpleasant experience when watching from of axis.
Thanks

That is a drawback of the LCD / LED panels off axis viewing and it always has been, it's the nature of the beast.
post #1515 of 4484
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Originally Posted by Flavius View Post


I play Dragon's Dogma. Why do you say Cinemotion should be off for this game? I haven't tried the difference yet, just wanted your thoughts.

Well, you know how Dragon's Dogma kinda has that issue anyway where if you stand still, and then pan the "camera/view" slowly to the side and slightly up or down (less than a 45º angle, but the same idea) you get this weird line/break up slightly above mid screen, a horizontal line like thing across the whole screen where trees and the view gets all skewed glitchy like ? I think this is due to the game design and processing power from the 360, etc.. who knows, but it is a known issue talked about on the DD forums. No other game I play does it. They are calling it "Screen Tearing" glitch. And it seems to be improved if you play it on 720 opposed to 1080. But I refuse to play it on 720.

So I was playing around with that. Trying to make it go away. Or be less. The worse I seen it was when I would stand with a few tents in my view too, and the wooden poles holding up the tents would totally break in half (at that line break up place on the screen) when I did the slow/medium pan thing I described above. They looked completely unreal doing this, and I hated it. It was the worse I seen from this issue. The poles looked like a straw looks in a glass of water, the bottom half (below that break up line) would be completely skewed from the top half (above that break up line). Pretty laughable.

I stayed there and tested ALL settings while doing the pan thing. I noticed oddly enough MotionFlow had no effect what-so-ever. So I left it at Standard. But when I played around with Cinemotion, I noticed having it off, or on Auto 1, or Auto 2 was giving it different reactions to this issue. But it was having no effect on how the PQ looked. So after a while I noticed with it OFF, the poles didn't break in half like that. They stayed whole, but a whole entire one would show up next to it and disappear real quick over and over as you panned. (lol)..., this looked more realistic to me, cause when I move my head and look at thing in real life, they could duplicated/blur if I don't focus on them, but they never ever ever split in half and do that straw in a glass of water skew.

So I like it off.

Now on Skyrim, I notice our usual settings are just fine. Other than I like Reality Creation resolution set to 10. And I am beginning to think I like the backlight down to 3 and LED Dynamic control set to Low. But I am still playing with it. I might start posting individual game and movie settings one day to share with everyone.

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Originally Posted by IMRIZZO View Post

That is a drawback of the LCD / LED panels off axis viewing and it always has been, it's the nature of the beast.
I am noticing this too. On my moms VT50 Plasma, all set up right and at the perfect distance away from the couch, man, I can comfortably view it almost at a 75º angle ! As in, NO PQ degradation at all. Once I get to 45º on my XBR950 the quality is toast. But I can see it yes.
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Originally Posted by kickalillas2 View Post

I never noticed a "rainbow reflection" on mine during dark scenes. It could be the bright lights in the store doing that.
BTW My tv is in a very dark room where minimal light enters.
Yes, dark rooms are optimal to prevent the rainbow reflections, but I've seen it. When you have some other light source reflecting off the panel, you can get some rainbow reflections. I'm sure this is brutal in the big box retail stores where you can't control the lighting, and it could also be a problem in your living room. Here is a pic of mine with a rainbow reflection from my living room lights in the upper right; it is one of the first things I noticed when I got my TV setup in my living room:
post #1517 of 4484
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Originally Posted by gorthocar View Post

Yes, dark rooms are optimal to prevent the rainbow reflections, but I've seen it. When you have some other light source reflecting off the panel, you can get some rainbow reflections. I'm sure this is brutal in the big box retail stores where you can't control the lighting, and it could also be a problem in your living room. Here is a pic of mine with a rainbow reflection from my living room lights in the upper right; it is one of the first things I noticed when I got my TV setup in my living room:

This is nothing new though for LCD panels. My iMac and Thunderbolt displays do this, my iPhone does this too. Does it bother me when in use, no. It looks cool when they are turned off IMHO. But, if you are watching TV, the LEDs in this thing will overpower any outside light shining on it except maybe and LCD flashlight or if you have giant bay windows shining in the room directly on the TV. Otherwise, this is a complete non issue.
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Originally Posted by cosmos5861 View Post

So is the 65 inch a lemon?

The one I got definitely isn't. No dead pixels or screen issues. I see one very faint vertical band in the center of the screen using the purity tests on the WOW disc, but I haven't noticed it yet on normal viewing.
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heres some examples.

vertical banding

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haloing

this is a play symbol on the bottom left of the screen from the ps3

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photocopy3-2.jpg

photocopy2-1.jpg

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photo-7.jpg

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sorry for the bad phone pics but just to get the idea.
is everyones set like this?
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Originally Posted by Hdfanboy444 View Post

I'm not sure but if other owners of 65 are saying it looks good it could just be you and the other guy just landed on bad panels especially considering how bad the quality control is on these sets.
Honestly just try one more 65 before giving up.
If you want I can record an hd video of my set which is also 65 to see if its any better/worse than yours, let me know.

can you check a grey jpeg on a memory stick on your screen and take a picture? can anyone with a 65 check this and confirm?
if you want to post an hd video for the threads sake that would be awesome too.
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Originally Posted by greenslime View Post

heres some examples.
vertical banding
photocopy5-1.jpg
photocopy6-1.jpg
photocopy7-1.jpg
photocopy8-1.jpg
photocopy-1.png
haloing
this is a play symbol on the bottom left of the screen from the ps3
photocopy4-1.jpg
photocopy3-2.jpg
photocopy2-1.jpg
photocopy-2.jpg
photo-7.jpg
photo-7.png
sorry for the bad phone pics but just to get the idea.
is everyones set like this?

My set has some banding like yours, but yours isn't very bad. The phone cameras highlight every little flaw more than what you see in person. Also, your photos are taken at angles that likely you wouldn't usually sit at. But, is try turning down the backlight on the TV to 3 as that helps calm a lot of things down and it's still very bright.
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Originally Posted by a1sy View Post

Flavius, are you saying your viewing angle is good or it is just acceptable for you?
I think it is just technology of this panel giving quite few people unpleasant experience when watching from of axis.
Thanks

Acceptable for me, having experience with other LCD TVs, this one is no worse, and maybe better. But it could be WAY better, like a Plasma. It just doesn't bother me.
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Originally Posted by BarrettF77 View Post

My set has some banding like yours, but yours isn't very bad. The phone cameras highlight every little flaw more than what you see in person. Also, your photos are taken at angles that likely you wouldn't usually sit at. But, is try turning down the backlight on the TV to 3 as that helps calm a lot of things down and it's still very bright.

His pictures are completely exaggerated, especially the haloing and clouding pictures. Completely unrealistic. If it were anywhere near that bad in person I would have returned my 65HX950 in a heartbeat and be griping here with a sob story. Nope. It doesn't even look like he was in General mode with Local Dimming fully on, and his camera totally overdid all the defects, not to mention the weird angles make haloing a lot worse than head on.

The banding pattern on mine is the same, except WAY fainter than that, thank god.
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Those pictures were taken with the set in your settings flavius.

How do I turn on local dimming?
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Originally Posted by Flavius View Post

His pictures are completely exaggerated, especially the haloing and clouding pictures. Completely unrealistic. If it were anywhere near that bad in person I would have returned my 65HX950 in a heartbeat and be griping here with a sob story. Nope. It doesn't even look like he was in General mode with Local Dimming fully on, and his camera totally overdid all the defects, not to mention the weird angles make haloing a lot worse than head on.
The banding pattern on mine is the same, except WAY fainter than that, thank god.

I think we're on the same page. Digital cameras always over expose of the point and shoot variety. And SLR is better at getting a better representation, but it's still never the same as in person viewing.
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Originally Posted by BarrettF77 View Post

I think we're on the same page. Digital cameras always over expose of the point and shoot variety. And SLR is better at getting a better representation, but it's still never the same as in person viewing.

100% agreed
post #1527 of 4484
I got to see the 65" 950 at the Sony store in Houston recently. The demo playing was some type of muciscal concert on a blu ray demo disk. The image seemed ok but didn't have a lot of "pop". A few months earlier they had the 929 on display but demoing the Avatar movie. It had tremendous pop and color but I assumed that was due to the content. But after reading claims of the 65" 950 here having less impressive picture I'm not so sure now. I would have needed the same Avatar movie playing on the 950 to get an idea of comparison.
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Originally Posted by kdog750 View Post

I got to see the 65" 950 at the Sony store in Houston recently. The demo playing was some type of muciscal concert on a blu ray demo disk. The image seemed ok but didn't have a lot of "pop". A few months earlier they had the 929 on display but demoing the Avatar movie. It had tremendous pop and color but I assumed that was due to the content. But after reading claims of the 65" 950 here having less impressive picture I'm not so sure now. I would have needed the same Avatar movie playing on the 950 to get an idea of comparison.

Exactly. The 55 pops. The 65 does not. I figured maybe its a bad panel but I think rizzo is right. There is not enough LEDs or zones or whatever it is to push the 65 the way the 55 is pushed.
post #1529 of 4484
Hello peeps. I haven't been on I'm a while. Been enjoyin my TV too much. I have the 65 inch 950 and I can tell you right now Avatar has plenty "Pop" on my set. The PQ is actually pretty fascinating on my tv. I dunno, maybe I'm one of the lucky ones. I can say that I'm quite pleased. Still playing with settings just a bit cuz I'm OCD that way, but otherwise I'm mostly in awe. The PQ when watchin Directv HD could be a bit better, but it's still pretty good. I don't blame the TV for Directv's shortcomings tho. I really can't tell you all how standard def looks on the TV. I don't watch anything standard...not how I roll. The one gripe I do have is that AMC's 'The Walking Dead' just doesn't look right. I've tried many settings but I just can't get it to look good. It's playing from my Directv box tho so maybe that's it. I may buy the season in blu ray when it comes out to see if it's the TV or directv or just the way the show is filmed. Aside from this one gripe, my 950 is just about perfect. I don't even notice "haloing." Anyways, for the people who are having issues I'm sorry, that sucks. But I can most definitely confirm that pretty incredible PQ can be displayed on the 65 inch. Mine is proof. And for those who also own the 950, go sit on your friggin a$$ and enjoy your damn TV!!! biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by Garloo57

Patniemeyer , I agree with your thoughtful and accurate study which is basically the same interpretation I have on the XBR55HX950... Again, most of the problem I've experienced with the 950 has been with the over the air broadcasts. As you mention inconsistency from one scene to the next the transition quality is usually quite different and is annoying.. I too, have spent the last week flipping through the channels both HD and non HD broadcasts as I wanted to check how over the air broadcast signals and content differ in quality on the 950 (55") and the 929 (55"). I concur with your findings especially on the Daily Show, it appears as though it was shot under heat lamps for french fries at McDonald's and Stewart has a unnatural luminous glow.. .. As I said previously, I was the owner of a XBR55HX929 ... I had gone through 3 sets from Best Buy to get the one that was void or nearly so of a minor dark spot in top right corner panel. I had hoped to get it fixed but Sony does not repair their panels they just swap out sets. I then tried the 55" 950 model which was delivered and exchanged out for my 929 last Monday. The arrangement I had was to test the 950 and see if I liked it if not they,Best Buy would return my 929... Well after a few days of flickering power due to Hurricane Sandy I decided to go back to my 929 because of the overall dissatisfaction with the over the air broadcast quality. I must say this for anybody out there that cares to listen I've owned XBR's since the first models were introduced in 1986. I also have a 32 inch XBR2 ( vintage 2007) that is still delivering a better "television" viewing experience .. Since this thread is about the 950(55") I can say that without a doubt it is a fine television for viewing Blu-ray and select over the air broadcasts.. However the inconsistency of the picture quality for the over the air broadcasts is inferior to that of the 929. The 950 (55") also has a substantially narrower viewing angle than the 929. So for you folks out there that are anxious to purchase the 950(55) and have not already owned or had access in your home for a period of time with the 929, it is a great television. However if you're like me and I'm sure many others out there, if you want to enjoy consistent over the air broadcasts it can drive you nuts on the 950 to see the inconsistencies from one scene to the next or from one network to the next. Whether you use the standard factory settings or opt for Flavius's settings or some where in between it still doesn't improve the overall image for television viewing, which after all is what most people do still look at during the week. This is where the 929 shines, deep blacks, vibrant colors and consistency that the 950 does not have in the over the air broadcasts. Amazingly I found out from Best Buy three days ago that although I was promised verbally and in e-mail they would hold my 929 while I made my decision, somehow my set was sold! And currently they have no other factory sealed 929's at least in the New England region. They may have a display model or two to chose from. So I am basically PO at the the Best Buy staff for dropping the ball on this one. I am presently dealing with an apologetic store manager to get this resolved... In closing in my opinion 950 the newest Sony Flagship, is great for high definition experiences with Blu-ray. However, if you're looking for television that is accurate and enjoyable to watch your regular shows and sports (whether it be high definition over the air or standard broadcast) the quality and exciting experience of the 929 and the wider viewing angle is far superior to the 950...
Now I must bounce back and forth with Best Buy and see if they can locate a new 929 for me.... I am still a Sony loyalist....



As A follow up I have not heard from either Sony nor Best Buy... I will add that the 55" 950 I currently have also has a pair of bad pixels ... I agree with Patniemeyer on the over the air broadcast quality.. it is a crap shoot with the 55" 950 and is maddening... Blu-ray viewing is great but if you are watching "television" it is very inconsistent when compared with the 55"929
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