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post #1561 of 3726
11/12/12 at 1:23pm
Yes it is on the inside ...It appears as though it has been burning a small pattern around the dead pixels as you see.. At first my fiancee thought I had just left my fingerprint where the dead pixels were as a marker!!!...... If it continues to spread it may develop a very interesting pattern!!! I am certain that it wasn't like this when the set was delivered it seems like the area is expanding as of this morning it is approx. 1/2" in wide and nearly 3/4" long
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post #1562 of 3726
11/12/12 at 1:43pm
Yes , installing on the wall.
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post #1563 of 3726
11/12/12 at 2:00pm
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Originally Posted by sammy-r View Post

I've had mine for a little over 3 weeks. Aside from a very faint verical band in the center of the screen, mine has no other flaws. The banding isn't anything close to the 2 Sammy ES8000s I had. The PQ is amazing. If I were to return it, the only thing I would consider at this point would be the Sharp LC-80LE844U. My understanding is that Sharp is the only set without any vertical banding and now that I mounted the 65" on the wall, I think I could go with something bigger. My concern would be that the PQ would be inferior and I'd be disappointed.

Yep, I'm with you on this. The HX950 is amazing but being an avid sports fan, the banding gets annoying. I'd be curious to get opinions on the PQ difference between the sony 65 hx950 and the Sharp 844u from people that have compared the two. I've heard really good things on the 844u.
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post #1564 of 3726
11/12/12 at 2:11pm
Home Theater Magazine 2013 Buyer's Guide has specs on the 929 and 950.

Some differences:

Display type: 929 LCD & 950 LED-LCD
LED Backlight: 929 LD & 950 IPEL

Anyone know what that means exactly?

Btw still have to reschedule my 55HX950 delivery for this week due to power loss from the storm.
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post #1565 of 3726
11/12/12 at 2:36pm
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Originally Posted by CaneDawgg View Post

Yep, I'm with you on this. The HX950 is amazing but being an avid sports fan, the banding gets annoying. I'd be curious to get opinions on the PQ difference between the sony 65 hx950 and the Sharp 844u from people that have compared the two. I've heard really good things on the 844u.

I'm a big sports fan also. Mainly football, hockey (not this year!) and golf. The banding is so minor, I have to look for it to notce, mainly from an angle. That was not the case with the ES8000. It was so bad, I couldn't watch golf with the pans through the sky and on the green. My wife keeps telling me that if I start watching what's on the tv vs. looking for the flaws that I won't notice them anymore. Maybe she's right.

I'd be interested in hearing from people that have compare the two also, although I have less than a week to return mine to BB if I was going to make a switch.
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post #1566 of 3726
11/12/12 at 2:55pm
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They aren't allowed to discount the Sonys. Some kind of deal they have with sony.

That's not entirely true. They can't have sales below the Sony fixed price, but they are allowed to price match online sellers.
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post #1567 of 3726
11/12/12 at 2:59pm
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They aren't allowed to discount the Sonys. Some kind of deal they have with sony.

They aren't supposed to. But if they screw up, they certainly can. How else do you think I have 2 of the 65" 950s? I don't have a money tree.
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post #1568 of 3726
11/12/12 at 3:46pm
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Originally Posted by scott128 View Post

Home Theater Magazine 2013 Buyer's Guide has specs on the 929 and 950.
Some differences:
Display type: 929 LCD & 950 LED-LCD
LED Backlight: 929 LD & 950 IPEL
Anyone know what that means exactly?
Btw still have to reschedule my 55HX950 delivery for this week due to power loss from the storm.

I don't get this. Both tvs are led-LCD and both have local dimming back lights.
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post #1569 of 3726
11/12/12 at 7:16pm
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Originally Posted by sammy-r View Post

I'm a big sports fan also. Mainly football, hockey (not this year!) and golf. The banding is so minor, I have to look for it to notce, mainly from an angle. That was not the case with the ES8000. It was so bad, I couldn't watch golf with the pans through the sky and on the green. My wife keeps telling me that if I start watching what's on the tv vs. looking for the flaws that I won't notice them anymore. Maybe she's right.
I'd be interested in hearing from people that have compare the two also, although I have less than a week to return mine to BB if I was going to make a switch.

Is your set a 65inch?
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post #1570 of 3726
11/12/12 at 8:33pm
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Originally Posted by cosmos5861 View Post

Is your set a 65inch?

Yep. I think the PQ is amazing. Like I said, there is a slight vertical band in the center of the picture, but I really have to focus on it to see it. Besides that, it's great. I think switching to the Sharp 844u would too risky. I think that's a great set too, but I'm not sure it could match the color accuracy and deep blacks the the HX950 has. At least to me, the blacks are right up there with the Panasonic VT50 plasma.
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post #1571 of 3726
11/13/12 at 8:39am
Delivery on my 55HX950 was delayed bc I had no power. My power was recently restored but no cable. Do I really need cable to check the display, or just use a USB stick and Blu Ray?
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post #1572 of 3726
11/13/12 at 8:58am
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Originally Posted by CaneDawgg View Post

Yep, I'm with you on this. The HX950 is amazing but being an avid sports fan, the banding gets annoying. I'd be curious to get opinions on the PQ difference between the sony 65 hx950 and the Sharp 844u from people that have compared the two. I've heard really good things on the 844u.

CaneDawgg - as one of the few who have the Samsung 65" with very minimal banding (I'd say 2% visible - sports are great including golf) and since you have seen both the Sony and Samsung, I do not know how you could go to the Sharp even though it has zero banding. At least to my eyes, there is a huge difference in PQ. I guess it's a trade off and maybe you can look at a forum on the Sharp 844u but your best bet would be to really look at a live 844u and make sure you can live with the picture.

Before I obtained my SamsungTV, I was scheduled to receive a Sharp 70" LC-70C8470U. They weren't able to ship it and I ended up with the Sammy. I'm extremely glad that I didn't get the Sharp because there is a huge drop off (IMHO) in PQ. I occasionally drop by my local Best Buy and Paul's TV just to see the new LED/LCD TV's and I'm very happy that I didn't go with a Sharp. It turned out to be a blessing in disguise.

It's all personal preference and for those who have the Sharp TV's - - if you're happy - - that's great! But if you've been accustomed to the HX950 clarity and "pop" factor, I do not know how you can go back to a picture with less sizzle. (Not even factoring in 3D)

Your choice, obviously, but look with your own eyes - - I'm not sure that other folks that have the Sharp have even seen the Sony HX950.
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post #1573 of 3726
11/13/12 at 9:49am
hi all,

Let me try again.
Would you give me URL or etc or just explain about
How and what to put on USB Flash drive to be able check 950 TV in a store?
I'm looking for TV static test patterns.
The next would be some fast action video that can show TV performance.
Some video of 24 P to test TV in 24 P if possible from USB?
Some video in 60 P.
Sure - everything in 1920x1080 size.

If you think that calibration forum will be better for this, pls say so. I just need it for 950 and don't know if this is generic or specific for 950 USB input wise.

Thanks.
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post #1574 of 3726
11/13/12 at 9:53am
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Originally Posted by Garloo57 View Post

I have attached several photos revealing the dead pixels and halo or screen burn

Here is my admittedly CRAZY theory:

Someone on the assembly line in Mexico forgot to remove a thin protective plastic sheet from the inside of the of the Gorilla glass on your TV. That plastic is now starting to degrade exposing a hole that honestly to me looks like the sort of hole you get when plastics degrade. Also, inside the hole is clearer, and the outside looks all filmy, which supports my argument. This might also explain why some people say they can't seem to get a nice image on the 65" when I think the image is incredible on mine.

So, am I completely bonkers or no?
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post #1575 of 3726
11/13/12 at 9:59am
And what padded room is your computer in making statements like that:)...all seriousness it seems plausible
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post #1576 of 3726
11/13/12 at 10:46am
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Originally Posted by Flavius View Post

Here is my admittedly CRAZY theory:
Someone on the assembly line in Mexico forgot to remove a thin protective plastic sheet from the inside of the of the Gorilla glass on your TV. That plastic is now starting to degrade exposing a hole that honestly to me looks like the sort of hole you get when plastics degrade. Also, inside the hole is clearer, and the outside looks all filmy, which supports my argument. This might also explain why some people say they can't seem to get a nice image on the 65" when I think the image is incredible on mine.
So, am I completely bonkers or no?

Getting there, lol but that's half the fun.
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post #1577 of 3726
11/13/12 at 12:09pm
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Originally Posted by mikek753 View Post

hi all,

Let me try again.
Would you give me URL or etc or just explain about
How and what to put on USB Flash drive to be able check 950 TV in a store?
I'm looking for TV static test patterns.
The next would be some fast action video that can show TV performance.
Some video of 24 P to test TV in 24 P if possible from USB?
Some video in 60 P.
Sure - everything in 1920x1080 size.

If you think that calibration forum will be better for this, pls say so. I just need it for 950 and don't know if this is generic or specific for 950 USB input wise.

Thanks.

I've tried over and over to get a USB key to work on my 950. Asked here, got instructions, called Sony, followed everything to a tee. Have brand new USB key formatted properly, saved normal jpg's, etc.. The TV will see the USB key, its name and all the files name. BUT when you go to pick one to view it, or see it, it says: "Image Can Not Be Displayed" every time. No matter what I do. I had Sony on the phone stumped too. They told me to call their tech line which costs $4 a minute !! I find that ridiculous.

So I plugged the same USB key into my BluRay player (in which is connected to my TV obviously) and every key I plug into it works totally fine and flawless. So I just am using it and I'm happy.

I could never get it to work directly plugged into the 950.

That said, I say you just do that same thing at the store. Its so easy you don't need instructions, you'll see how to do it. Just have the salesmen plug a USB equipped HD DVD or BluRay player into the TV you are testing via HDMI. Believe me, that will be way simpler.

On the Player, go to menu options/set up/home whatever and then go to media/photos/video/whatever and then you should see the USB key somewhere in there and be able to access the files from there.
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post #1578 of 3726
11/13/12 at 1:21pm
Hello all. I have read a bunch of this thread but not all. I am currently still watching my 52XBR4. I want to keep using my XBR4 but over the years, I am getting more and more frustrated with the judder. I have built a decent Blu-Ray collection but do not like to watch them because of the judder issues. I change all the motion settings around almost once a month over the past several years thinking I am going to fix it one day but have now come to the conclusion it is not going to happen with this set.

So, I guess my question is, will I be anymore satisfied if I break down and purchase a XBRHX950 ? I want to watch a lot of Blu-Ray (PS3) and since I do some gaming, and have too many windows, would like to stay away from plasma. I still love the XBR4 for gaming and DirectTV and the matte screen, but when it comes to Blu-Ray, I honestly get headaches from all the judder.
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post #1579 of 3726
11/13/12 at 2:57pm
Just thought I would give you guys an update on my XBR 950 saga. After having swapped out a few TV for my bedroom and living room on the 65" 950, of which one was by Sony and this one was good, I called sony today. After asking they replace my living room set for a 4-5" banding in the middle, which I asked the guy in National Customer Relations if he knew what banding was (and he did), he said that Sony would not allow any more replacements of the set. Even if Sony verified the defect. Instead, they would only buy back the tv at purchase price minus taxes. So the short of it is that Sony knows about the banding on the sets and would rather lose a customer rather than own up to the issue and just refund the purchase money.

I can honestly say that I'm surprised by this. Samsung and their quality have never been a surprise, but I had a sony xbr 3 CRT from back in the day that was magnificent. Lasted well over a decade. I knew sony outsourced their panel production, but this is truly sad to see this is what it has come to. Just a heads up to prospective buyers.

I also reached out to sony listens on Facebook. Never got so much as a peep out of them in return. Next sets I buy are going to be difficult to choose with the small selection available on the market. Truly a shame that it's come down to picking the least defective set instead of the one with the most appropriate feature set all in the name of the manufacturer saving a buck.

Buyers be ware when you buy your new set. If you get a winner it's great. But the lottery system and Sony's support should you need assistance are a bad joke at best.
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post #1580 of 3726
11/13/12 at 3:21pm
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Originally Posted by BarrettF77 View Post

Just thought I would give you guys an update on my XBR 950 saga. After having swapped out a few TV for my bedroom and living room on the 65" 950, of which one was by Sony and this one was good, I called sony today. After asking they replace my living room set for a 4-5" banding in the middle, which I asked the guy in National Customer Relations if he knew what banding was (and he did), he said that Sony would not allow any more replacements of the set. Even if Sony verified the defect. Instead, they would only buy back the tv at purchase price minus taxes. So the short of it is that Sony knows about the banding on the sets and would rather lose a customer rather than own up to the issue and just refund the purchase money.
I can honestly say that I'm surprised by this. Samsung and their quality have never been a surprise, but I had a sony xbr 3 CRT from back in the day that was magnificent. Lasted well over a decade. I knew sony outsourced their panel production, but this is truly sad to see this is what it has come to. Just a heads up to prospective buyers.
I also reached out to sony listens on Facebook. Never got so much as a peep out of them in return. Next sets I buy are going to be difficult to choose with the small selection available on the market. Truly a shame that it's come down to picking the least defective set instead of the one with the most appropriate feature set all in the name of the manufacturer saving a buck.
Buyers be ware when you buy your new set. If you get a winner it's great. But the lottery system and Sony's support should you need assistance are a bad joke at best.

So what's your next move? Are you going to return your 950's and move on to something else?
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post #1581 of 3726
11/13/12 at 4:35pm
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Originally Posted by BarrettF77 View Post

Just thought I would give you guys an update on my XBR 950 saga. After having swapped out a few TV for my bedroom and living room on the 65" 950, of which one was by Sony and this one was good, I called sony today. After asking they replace my living room set for a 4-5" banding in the middle, which I asked the guy in National Customer Relations if he knew what banding was (and he did), he said that Sony would not allow any more replacements of the set. Even if Sony verified the defect. Instead, they would only buy back the tv at purchase price minus taxes. So the short of it is that Sony knows about the banding on the sets and would rather lose a customer rather than own up to the issue and just refund the purchase money.
I can honestly say that I'm surprised by this. Samsung and their quality have never been a surprise, but I had a sony xbr 3 CRT from back in the day that was magnificent. Lasted well over a decade. I knew sony outsourced their panel production, but this is truly sad to see this is what it has come to. Just a heads up to prospective buyers.
I also reached out to sony listens on Facebook. Never got so much as a peep out of them in return. Next sets I buy are going to be difficult to choose with the small selection available on the market. Truly a shame that it's come down to picking the least defective set instead of the one with the most appropriate feature set all in the name of the manufacturer saving a buck.
Buyers be ware when you buy your new set. If you get a winner it's great. But the lottery system and Sony's support should you need assistance are a bad joke at best.

"I can honestly say that I'm surprised by this" not me...welcome to the world of customer no service, and cost cutting in every way measureable. they've been aware of the banding on the 65" sets back w/ the 929 models.
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post #1582 of 3726
11/13/12 at 5:11pm
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I've tried over and over to get a USB key to work on my 950. Asked here, got instructions, called Sony, followed everything to a tee. Have brand new USB key formatted properly, saved normal jpg's, etc.. The TV will see the USB key, its name and all the files name. BUT when you go to pick one to view it, or see it, it says: "Image Can Not Be Displayed" every time. No matter what I do. I had Sony on the phone stumped too. They told me to call their tech line which costs $4 a minute !! I find that ridiculous.
So I plugged the same USB key into my BluRay player (in which is connected to my TV obviously) and every key I plug into it works totally fine and flawless. So I just am using it and I'm happy.
I could never get it to work directly plugged into the 950.
That said, I say you just do that same thing at the store. Its so easy you don't need instructions, you'll see how to do it. Just have the salesmen plug a USB equipped HD DVD or BluRay player into the TV you are testing via HDMI. Believe me, that will be way simpler.
On the Player, go to menu options/set up/home whatever and then go to media/photos/video/whatever and then you should see the USB key somewhere in there and be able to access the files from there.

Here is some info from the troubleshooting section of the i-manual:

Photo images cannot be displayed.
Photo files (e.g. JPEG files) with YCbCr 444 color format are not supported. If the photo files cannot be displayed correctly, try the following.
- Use an HDMI cable to connect a digital still camera, PC, etc.
- Convert photo files to the color format that is supported by the TV, using a color format converter on your PC, etc.
Note that some functions may be limited when performing the above.
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post #1583 of 3726
11/13/12 at 7:46pm
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Originally Posted by 400MHz MAN View Post

Here is some info from the troubleshooting section of the i-manual:
Photo images cannot be displayed.
Photo files (e.g. JPEG files) with YCbCr 444 color format are not supported. If the photo files cannot be displayed correctly, try the following.
- Use an HDMI cable to connect a digital still camera, PC, etc.
- Convert photo files to the color format that is supported by the TV, using a color format converter on your PC, etc.
Note that some functions may be limited when performing the above.

wow, why is that so bad?
the leading TV that can't show JPEGs?
Who is in right mind will convert pictures to expected format just to watch it on TV?

What I'm missing?
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11/13/12 at 7:51pm
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Originally Posted by airgas1998 View Post

"I can honestly say that I'm surprised by this" not me...welcome to the world of customer no service, and cost cutting in every way measureable. they've been aware of the banding on the 65" sets back w/ the 929 models.

does it mean 65" will have more or less but banding for sure?
Is it QC or process issue?

Or should eye doctor to fix this issue? eek.gif

Doc: do you see banding
TV customer: yes
Doc: how about now?
TV customer: no I don't
Doc: good
TV customer: but I don't see anything else ether ...
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post #1585 of 3726
11/13/12 at 9:18pm
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Originally Posted by Sonyboy View Post

So what's your next move? Are you going to return your 950's and move on to something else?

I'm not sure yet. What I do know is that I'm persistent in attaining my goals and love outside the box solutions. In the future I will never buy Sony again. I stopped buying ps3 games when they had the I'd theft issue. And the last time I bought a product before that was a Sony CRT computer CAD monitor that had the anti reflective coating flaking off inside a year. It was about ten years ago I last bought a TV or monitor from them. After this experience, how likely does Sony think I will be to try again. But at least they get lots of advertising. Told a few customers tonight at BB to not get the set after all my issues. Floor model even had banding all over.

If they want sales, treat your customers right. I love to publicize great products to others when it's quality. Same stands when a company acts shady. The only issue is selection now days on TVs sucks. So, I'm gonna sit on this for a bit. I have 60 days with reward zone silver. So time is somewhat on my side.
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post #1586 of 3726
11/13/12 at 9:20pm
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Originally Posted by airgas1998 View Post

"I can honestly say that I'm surprised by this" not me...welcome to the world of customer no service, and cost cutting in every way measureable. they've been aware of the banding on the 65" sets back w/ the 929 models.

Very true. You would hope they would have learned their lessons. But maybe this is why so few reviews are posted a out this TV. Sony doesn't want sales to vibe affected and instead they cover up the flaws with banding. Unfortunately we have a great group of guys here who aren't likely to be silenced when they see cheap tactics being employed.
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11/13/12 at 11:06pm
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Originally Posted by 400MHz MAN View Post

Here is some info from the troubleshooting section of the i-manual:

Photo images cannot be displayed.
Photo files (e.g. JPEG files) with YCbCr 444 color format are not supported. If the photo files cannot be displayed correctly, try the following.
- Use an HDMI cable to connect a digital still camera, PC, etc.
- Convert photo files to the color format that is supported by the TV, using a color format converter on your PC, etc.
Note that some functions may be limited when performing the above.

Thanks dude, and this is one thing I haven't tried, because no one told me about it.

The other issue though, is, I get this same problem trying to watch a movie clip or play music (basically anything) from a USB key. But I do have the key properly formatted, etc.. Also, the BluRay player I have accesses all the info/things off the USB key with absolutely no problem.

The fix you gave me seems it will only work (possibly hopefully at that) on pictures. Again though, I appreciate the help and thanks ! I will try it on the photos.

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Originally Posted by mikek753 View Post

wow, why is that so bad?
the leading TV that can't show JPEGs?
Who is in right mind will convert pictures to expected format just to watch it on TV?

What I'm missing?

LOL, eek.gif I know ! My take exactly. And like I said above to 400MhzMan, its not just photos, its ANYTHING on the Key. But it does see the key, knows its name, and sees all the files and knows their names, just won't play/view any of them. So this is too weird. My BluRay player plays them all fine from the same key immediately.

Don't know what I'm missing. Was hoping someone else would try just to see if any of these TV's actually can play/show stuff off a USB key.
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post #1588 of 3726
11/14/12 at 2:01am
Hi,

Can we expect a 100% color uniformity on this HDTV with different shades of grey colors, its usually where Samsung suffers from.
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post #1589 of 3726
11/14/12 at 7:20am
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Originally Posted by Pandemonium08 View Post

Hi,
Can we expect a 100% color uniformity on this HDTV with different shades of grey colors, its usually where Samsung suffers from.

While a lot better, it isn't perfect. The Samsung is very bad. The Sony just has fewer areas to notice, but they are prominent in certain scenes where panning is involved.
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post #1590 of 3726
11/14/12 at 8:29am
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Originally Posted by Pandemonium08 View Post

Hi,
Can we expect a 100% color uniformity on this HDTV with different shades of grey colors, its usually where Samsung suffers from.

nope, we can't get perfect shades with LD on - zones
its square cutoff that isn't per pixel
this is trade off
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