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post #1951 of 4483
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Originally Posted by cosmos5861 View Post

How does one check for banding?

1st - if you don't see it - don't look for it to be able sleep well

you'll need output solid and grey color one by one to the TV
Some see it better for blue and some for gray
Look from 30 to 45 angle this will amplify (magnify) banding issue

The real issue is that when you saw it on your TV it imprints in your memory and for any watching you'll see as static overlap on top of picture - like a dirty window
My description is only to give you hints.

The real bandings is different vs what people talk about - it's limit of TV to produce gradient colors - you see strict separation between half tones.
post #1952 of 4483
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Originally Posted by JoelxD View Post

Anyone else experiencing this issue ?
1 - My internet content (ALL Apps) is completely gone about twice a week. Have to "Refresh" it. Takes about 5 minutes for the TV then to reget all the apps. Very annoying. Then it will just happen again in a few days :-((((
2 - Every so often I notice 1 of the settings I likes changes... its so weird. Its "Reality Creation" - I have it set to Manual, and resolution at 14-20 (pending on which input which pends therefore on content) and Noise reduction set to Min. About once a month I notice just randomly per input sometimes it changes itself to Auto, or stays on manual but puts resolution to 70. Again, very annoying.
I ALWAYS have my TV plugged into a live socket, my power is not going out, and there is nothing else I can think of that would cause this. So I was hoping I could get some input from you guys as to if anyone else noticed this too ?

Im afraid to say mate that you have a poltergeist. Call in the Ghostbusters ; )
post #1953 of 4483
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Originally Posted by BarrettF77 View Post

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Hey BarrettF77, I seemed to have isolated your problem !! (see isolated issue above) tongue.gifeek.gifbiggrin.gif - J/K

Anyway, for real, I agree with you. At 5k, you NEED to get a perfect one. The term "OCD" is so thrown around too loosely these days. I strongly believe everyone has the right to do things properly and perfectly to their eyes WITHOUT being called OCD. Its like the new term lazy people use to make fun of people who like to work towards perfection IMO.

My neighbor makes fun of me about how I wash/detail my cars and how clean I keep my tools....calls me OCD too. I say, whats wrong with that ? Jeeez... the day everyone is a complacent lazy bum is the day this place sucks !! I hate complacent'ness. And OCD is when people repeat themselves uncontrollably and just do totally scary weird stuff... its NOT about striving for greatness like we do.

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Originally Posted by JoelxD View Post

Anyone else experiencing this issue ?
1 - My internet content (ALL Apps) is completely gone about twice a week. Have to "Refresh" it. Takes about 5 minutes for the TV then to reget all the apps. Very annoying. Then it will just happen again in a few days :-((((
2 - Every so often I notice 1 of the settings I likes changes... its so weird. Its "Reality Creation" - I have it set to Manual, and resolution at 14-20 (pending on which input which pends therefore on content) and Noise reduction set to Min. About once a month I notice just randomly per input sometimes it changes itself to Auto, or stays on manual but puts resolution to 70. Again, very annoying.
I ALWAYS have my TV plugged into a live socket, my power is not going out, and there is nothing else I can think of that would cause this. So I was hoping I could get some input from you guys as to if anyone else noticed this too ?

Im afraid to say mate that you have a poltergeist. Call in the Ghostbusters ; )
Ha !! lol --

Seriously though,, this sucks. Not to be mean, but I was hoping some of you had this issue as well. Any recommendations on what could be causing this ? Or how to stop it ?
post #1954 of 4483
I just bought a 65HX955 here in Australia (it's branded as 955 here).... and WOW I am impressed with this beauty!

I can't see any visible problems - no banding, clouding, or any inconsistencies.

The panel is amazing - black levels are superb with LED dynaimc control at Standard or Low... I prefer to keep it at low. Detail is awesome too.

Very happy with the purchase! I was tossing up between this and the Samsung 75" es9000 but I am glad i went with this!!! Local dimming is great!
post #1955 of 4483
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Originally Posted by JoelxD View Post

And OCD is when people repeat themselves uncontrollably and just do totally scary weird stuff...

I think putting full color slides on, poring over every pixel from 6" away and returning several sets qualifies. I used to do this but I find I'm much happier if I don't go looking for problems I'll never see during normal viewing.
post #1956 of 4483
+1^ that's probably why we won't see Sonys' on sale. Everybody who,takes a magnifying glass to the television and "finding faults" instead of just enjoying the great picture. 90% of the complaints I have read on this thread is people just "nitpicking" and finding faults. Kind of like dishonest people returning items to stores or shoplifting. Someone has to pay for it. IMO
post #1957 of 4483
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Originally Posted by Browninggold View Post

+1^ that's probably why we won't see Sonys' on sale. Everybody who,takes a magnifying glass to the television and "finding faults" instead of just enjoying the great picture. 90% of the complaints I have read on this thread is people just "nitpicking" and finding faults. Kind of like dishonest people returning items to stores or shoplifting. Someone has to pay for it. IMO

Pixel defects in my experience are also sometimes indicators of mishandling or the increased likelihood of a premature failure. So if this puts my mind at ease, then So be it. Next time I get a set with pixel defects, I'll let you know so you can go buy it at full price so your precious cost cutting company can save a few bucks.

Quality used to be what companies were adamant about. Now it's a smoke and mirrors game it seems. And because you generally can't repair these sets, it's actually smart to check them over. What's worse, going through the hassle now or finding out after you're past the exchange period?

I find your stance to be manufacturer centric and short sighted. And how do you compare people who want what they paid their hard earned money for to dishonest people or shoplifters? Really? I'm retired police and if you truly think many of these people are like that, you need to get your head checked. There's a clear difference. I mean wow! What a dumb comment to make.
post #1958 of 4483
Thank you IMRIZZO and tbaudoin, I appreciate the help and advice. You spend $3,000 on a toy you kinda want to get the most out of it, that said there is something to be about "not obsessing" and just enjoy it for what it is.
post #1959 of 4483
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Originally Posted by Dave A. View Post

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Originally Posted by JoelxD View Post

And OCD is when people repeat themselves uncontrollably and just do totally scary weird stuff...

I think putting full color slides on, poring over every pixel from 6" away and returning several sets qualifies. I used to do this but I find I'm much happier if I don't go looking for problems I'll never see during normal viewing.
Agreed somewhat. But everyone will draw the line at a different place. And they have a right to WITHOUT the word "OCD" coming up. Thats my only point, as the abused word is actually becoming demeaning to those who really have the real thing if it keeps getting used like this.

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Originally Posted by Browninggold View Post

Kind of like dishonest people returning items to stores or shoplifting. Someone has to pay for it. IMO
This is indeed the one downside to this. But so then your saying the answer is to not nitpick, and buy a 5k set with flaws you can visually see ? I don't get it, then we are letting the company see it can get away with more and more and QC goes away even worse than now. Believe me, companies are the first to take advantage of what they can.

Its a perfect thin line and balance we need to have between not overdoing returns or nitpicking and making sure we do have a perfect tv for the price paid. Therefore making sure a company knows they are making things with flaws in it is very important. Helps keep them in line. If they try to price gouge later too much for it, they will se a decline in sales. So they will learn to make things right the first time if they are claiming premium products.

But again, my only point is, OCD has no real doctrine claim in any of this IMO.
post #1960 of 4483
I was in a best buy the other day and saw a Samsung 8000 in magnolia. It was at the end of what was playing and a solid black screen was up. The banding and bleed on that thing was atrocious. $3,400 for that thing with a horrible image!!!! Samsung is relying on name recognition and it has been tarnished ever since they left the 8500 array lit led TV. That and the Kuru were the two pinnacles of home entertainment. Sony seems like they are trying to gain ground again. I personally think the 950 is built much better than the 929. However, there is always work to be done.

OLED is the next plasma I think. Good colors, very susceptible to IR and maybe burn in. I know from just small OLED displays, they show odd patterns on black backgrounds. Evidently and issue from not being able to print them evenly. So it's going to be interesting where things go from here in TVs. I think LCD is likely the winner for a while longer but with Retina type displays and arm processors powering the sets being the future of entertainment.
post #1961 of 4483
Retired police officer.....me also. Most of the returns of people across the Internet do a full color screen and see one pixel that's bad and exchange until they recieve a decent set. They also state they do not notice this abnomally when watching regular stations or BRs. If something is wrong and noticeable during TV viewing then by all means return.
post #1962 of 4483
OCD is not a proper description of what's being described on here. When you plan on buying a high-end display panel, you have to set limits of acceptability, if your expecting PERFECT, then move on because there is no such animal in TV displays. They all have, to one extent or another, anomaly's, you just have to decide what your willing to live with. There hasn't been a Panel made yet that's PERFECT ! And that includes the immortal Pioneer Kuro or the Premier 85" Panasonic TH-85PF12U professional plasma at a cost of 18,000 has some reported difficulties.
Cons
Very expensive
Minor issues with 50Hz material
No TV tuner, speakers or internet platform
CMS could be more comprehensive
Certain controls are hidden in unnecessary sub-menus
Unable to detect 2:2 cadence correctly
Only includes one set of active shutter glasses
Remote control is a major disappointment

Some people spend so much time looking for imperfections in the extremes and do not watch the set under normal viewing conditions, and pass on an excellent TV.

I'm not saying one should have to live with obvious problems, but to dissect every single minor issue or non-perfect effect, you will never find satisfaction or be happy with your purchase.
post #1963 of 4483
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Originally Posted by mikek753 View Post

1st - if you don't see it - don't look for it to be able sleep well
you'll need output solid and grey color one by one to the TV
Some see it better for blue and some for gray
Look from 30 to 45 angle this will amplify (magnify) banding issue
The real issue is that when you saw it on your TV it imprints in your memory and for any watching you'll see as static overlap on top of picture - like a dirty window
My description is only to give you hints.
The real bandings is different vs what people talk about - it's limit of TV to produce gradient colors - you see strict separation between half tones.

Thank you for the reply. I am curious how many owners that have a 65inch have banding issues. I have a banding right in the middle of the screen but only visible when i have a grey background. Has anyone returned a panel due to banding and gotten a good replacement? Should I return this panel and try to get one that doesn't have banding?
post #1964 of 4483
I have the same concern as you. It would be nice to come up with a "standard" way of capturing banding and have forum members with little to no banding to compare against.
post #1965 of 4483
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I have the same concern as you. It would be nice to come up with a "standard" way of capturing banding and have forum members with little to no banding to compare against.

could you post the pic of your TV that shows "bandings"? pls
How else we can see it?

Another idea - to have WebEx or skype with HD video feed biggrin.gif
post #1966 of 4483
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Originally Posted by mikek753 View Post

could you post the pic of your TV that shows "bandings"? pls
How else we can see it?
Another idea - to have WebEx or skype with HD video feed biggrin.gif


I will take a picture what I meant was perhaps we can just find a background color that shows it clearly so we can compare as closely as possible. I'm on a business trip and will post a picture of it on Saturday.
post #1967 of 4483
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Originally Posted by cosmos5861 View Post

Thank you for the reply. I am curious how many owners that have a 65inch have banding issues. I have a banding right in the middle of the screen but only visible when i have a grey background. Has anyone returned a panel due to banding and gotten a good replacement? Should I return this panel and try to get one that doesn't have banding?

I need to make a decision soon since my 30 days is almost over. Any thoughts if I should return and try to get a new panel. I am also thinking about trading for Sharp Elite. Thoughts?
post #1968 of 4483
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Originally Posted by cosmos5861 View Post

I need to make a decision soon since my 30 days is almost over. Any thoughts if I should return and try to get a new panel. I am also thinking about trading for Sharp Elite. Thoughts?

Schedule to have a new one brought out. Test the new one against your and keep the better of the two. Hassle, yes. Worthwhile for peace of mind at this price, YES.
post #1969 of 4483
Home Theater has posted their 950 review. http://www.hometheater.com/content/sony-xbr-55hx950-3d-lcd-hdtv
THUMBS UP!
post #1970 of 4483
Nice write-up ... I needed that as I may be picking one up very soon smile.gif
post #1971 of 4483
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Originally Posted by Sonyboy View Post

Home Theater has posted their 950 review. http://www.hometheater.com/content/sony-xbr-55hx950-3d-lcd-hdtv
THUMBS UP!

Wow their Cali-settings are nearly spot on with mine, (I punched up a few things to bring up the POP factor little*). All the BS feature settings are set to off, exactly as mine have been **.
I noticed there was no mention of banding or dead pixels (and Thomas J. Norton is always 'on-guard' for those anomaly's).
Although most of those complaints only come from 65" panel owners.

Sony did not provide him with a 65" set ?? to review. Why ? (possibly because of a fear of being reviewed with a bad report) ??

* I felt the settings posted by Tom, although very accurate, kinda tones down the 'POP' factor, that's the reason I boosted a few things.

**Tom, much as I and many other reviewers, felt they do more harm than good.
Edited by IMRIZZO - 12/14/12 at 7:05am
post #1972 of 4483
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Originally Posted by IMRIZZO View Post

Wow their Cali-settings are nearly spot on with mine, (I punched up a few things to bring up the POP factor little*). All the BS feature settings are set to off, exactly as mine have been **.
I noticed there was no mention of banding or dead pixels (and Thomas J. Norton is always 'on-guard' for those anomaly's).
Although most of those complaints only come from 65" panel owners.
Sony did not provide him with a 65" set ?? to review. Why ? (possibly because of a fear of being reviewed with a bad report) ??
* I felt the settings posted by Tom, although very accurate, kinda tones down the 'POP' factor, that's the reason I boosted a few things.
**Tom, much as I and many other reviewers, felt they do more harm than good.
Which settings did you boost to improve the ''POP'' factor?
post #1973 of 4483
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Originally Posted by IMRIZZO View Post

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Originally Posted by Sonyboy View Post

Home Theater has posted their 950 review. http://www.hometheater.com/content/sony-xbr-55hx950-3d-lcd-hdtv
THUMBS UP!

Wow their Cali-settings are nearly spot on with mine, (I punched up a few things to bring up the POP factor little*). All the BS feature settings are set to off, exactly as mine have been **.
I noticed there was no mention of banding or dead pixels (and Thomas J. Norton is always 'on-guard' for those anomaly's).
Although most of those complaints only come from 65" panel owners.

Sony did not provide him with a 65" set ?? to review. Why ? (possibly because of a fear of being reviewed with a bad report) ??

* I felt the settings posted by Tom, although very accurate, kinda tones down the 'POP' factor, that's the reason I boosted a few things.

**Tom, much as I and many other reviewers, felt they do more harm than good.

Where are these "Cali-Settings" ? Looked over the whole review, couldn't find anything. And yea, what adjustments of "popping" have you done ?
post #1974 of 4483
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Originally Posted by mike50 View Post

Which settings did you boost to improve the ''POP'' factor?

See PM
post #1975 of 4483
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Originally Posted by JoelxD View Post

Where are these "Cali-Settings" ? Looked over the whole review, couldn't find anything. And yea, what adjustments of "popping" have you done ?
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Originally Posted by JoelxD View Post

Where are these "Cali-Settings" ? Looked over the whole review, couldn't find anything. And yea, what adjustments of "popping" have you done ?

If you go to the bottom of the review the last page is SETTINGS

Page 1
Page 2
Specs
HT Labs Measures
Settings
post #1976 of 4483
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Originally Posted by IMRIZZO View Post

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Originally Posted by JoelxD View Post

Where are these "Cali-Settings" ? Looked over the whole review, couldn't find anything. And yea, what adjustments of "popping" have you done ?
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Originally Posted by JoelxD View Post

Where are these "Cali-Settings" ? Looked over the whole review, couldn't find anything. And yea, what adjustments of "popping" have you done ?

If you go to the bottom of the review the last page is SETTINGS

Page 1
Page 2
Specs
HT Labs Measures
Settings

Thanks !!! :-D
post #1977 of 4483
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Originally Posted by IMRIZZO View Post

See PM

Thanks. Why dont you share here vs PM, since this is one of the main purpose of this forum. Anyway, IMO, discussions on this topic would fit better in the HX950 settings thread.
Edited by mike50 - 12/14/12 at 6:39pm
post #1978 of 4483
just found some bad banding on my 950 55..not sure i'm going to take it because i took back other sets..it took me 2 weeks but it really started to show that dirty window look that you guys are talking about while playing games..it was so bad while playing some games that i had to turn on local dimming..game mode turns it off but turning it back on seems to make it very faint so you dont see it..my question is since i'm new to all this tech talk, should i worry about the banding getting worse and moving across the screen..i really dont see it when led dynamic control is on standard..i really dont want to return another tv but if this banding will get worse i need to know so i can take this set back..sony really needs to get its act together. anyone that wants to look for banding just turn off led dynamic control and play a game, thats how i found mine.
post #1979 of 4483
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Originally Posted by mike50 View Post

Thanks. Why dont you share here vs PM, since this is one of the main purpose of this forum. Anyway, IMO, discussions on this topic would fit better in the HX950 settings thread.

Sorry, but that is my preference. That is how I've been doing it for over a year with approx 200 request
Edited by IMRIZZO - 12/14/12 at 7:16pm
post #1980 of 4483
Here's my first attempt at capturing it on camera. I find it's most obvious with a dark grey background. I'm attaching the background I used. Can someone who had banding and replaced a set compare?

IMG_4079.jpg 2222k .jpg file background.JPG 33k .JPG file
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