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post #2011 of 4484
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Originally Posted by L10FO View Post

IMRIZZO,
Can you PM me your calibration settings?
Thank you.
Check PM
post #2012 of 4484
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Originally Posted by rkleffelm View Post

can someone give me any clue whats going on. i have a faint yello square that only shows when watching 3d on the vivid and custom setting. on 3d standard picture setting it doesnt show up. any clue why this happens.

Vivid ...? that is the worst setting on this set.
post #2013 of 4484
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Originally Posted by rkleffelm View Post

can someone give me any clue whats going on. i have a faint yello square that only shows when watching 3d on the vivid and custom setting. on 3d standard picture setting it doesnt show up. any clue why this happens.

Could it be that what you are describing is shaped more like a 3''x4'' rectangle than a square? If so, this is one of the zones of the backlight system which could be defective on your set.
post #2014 of 4484
mike50 and imrizzo dont reply to this guy rkleffelm..this guy is trolling around that was a post i made about the 850 i took back that was defective..lets not talk about people like this because they will just keep coming back..so anyway i def love rizzos settings however i think Reality Creation should be turned on for 3d..its seems to give alot more pop and while it was turned off i couldnt see things like the cod fish in the under the sea imax doc come out of the set..it may help with less crosstalk but if want 3d pop which 3d should have... i would say turn it on auto..


sorry about the double post I'm still a rookie..does anyone have r creation on while watching 3d?
post #2015 of 4484
mike50 and imrizzo dont reply to this guy rkleffelm..this guy is trolling around that was a post i made about the 850 i took back that was defective..lets not talk about people like this because they will just keep coming back..so anyway i def love rizzos settings however i think Reality Creation should be turned on for 3d..its seems to give alot more pop and while it was turned off i couldnt see things like the cod fish in the under the sea imax doc come out of the set..it may help with less crosstalk but if want 3d pop which 3d should have... i would say turn it on auto..
post #2016 of 4484
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Originally Posted by hellotv View Post

mike50 and imrizzo dont reply to this guy rkleffelm..this guy is trolling around that was a post i made about the 850 i took back that was defective..lets not talk about people like this because they will just keep coming back..so anyway i def love rizzos settings however i think Reality Creation should be turned on for 3d..its seems to give alot more pop and while it was turned off i couldnt see things like the cod fish in the under the sea imax doc come out of the set..it may help with less crosstalk but if want 3d pop which 3d should have... i would say turn it on auto..

I find it funny how people post questions on what they should do when they see a defect. When they have to go to the bathroom, do they ask someone what to do in an instance like that or soil themselves?

If it shouldn't be there then accept it or exchange it. I'm glad I went through the hassle I did and have to sets I'm content with. I also had heard that Sony is done with the array led sets after the 950. Perhaps like all the other greats they too are caving to money saving tactics? Then the ELITE WILL be the ONLY option for true quality images. I'd have gotten the elite if it didn't have the pulsing back light issue and cost me a second mortgage for something with a product margin of over 100% easy.
post #2017 of 4484
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Originally Posted by IMRIZZO View Post

Do you experience this same problem when viewing a Bluray ?

Panning shot blotches, yes. Blur-halo( for lack of a better term), no.
post #2018 of 4484
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Originally Posted by kickalillas2 View Post

Panning shot blotches, yes. Blur-halo( for lack of a better term), no.

The blurrieness I have seen on my 65" and it is content related. The blothes are just part of the unevenness of an LCD panel. Some are worse than others, but tv settings can help with that. I've noticed the blurriness when watching channels like ABC and CBS on Direct TV. Seems like a poor feed or the source material being sent out isn't very good.
post #2019 of 4484
Well after watching a few movies and seeing banding in certain scenes I've decided to exchange the set. Replacement will be here on Friday.
post #2020 of 4484
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Originally Posted by kickalillas2 View Post

OK so I've had my 55hx950 for almost a month now, and sports and games are starting to look really bad. Hockey and football are practically unwatchable. Basically anything that moves, has a blur-zone around it. If that makes any sense...Like the player looks fine, the background looks fine, but the area where a player meets the background is blurry as hell.
Games, like Borderlands 2, when i slowly pan the camera, I start to see blotches on the screen. Panning shots on blurays create a the same effect.
I tried playing with my settings, I use Flavius' and Rizzo's as reference, and nothing seems to improve anything. Strangely enough, regardless of what setting I'm using in Motionflow, it all looks the same(minus impulse, it clearly make everything looks worse.) Any ideas? Did my tv suddenly crap out?

Are you turning on CineMotion in addition to MotionFlow? You need to use both. Also, are you used to viewing a plasma or CRT in the recent past? Because for motion CLARITY, no amount of MotionFlow is going to help you make it look like a plasma. The magic of MotionFlow and where it wipes the floor with plasma, is judder reduction.

It's not clear to me if you are experiencing a blur issue because you're used to plasma screens, or if you're actually seeing motion artifacts caused by MotionFlow. Have you tried turning all the motion stuff off to compare? \

I'd advise trying all possible combinations of MotionFlow and CineMotion together, like I did, as well as everything off, to find the setting you're most happy with. CineMotion isn't just for movies, it affects all content and it interacts with MotionFlow in weird ways.
post #2021 of 4484
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Originally Posted by BarrettF77 View Post

The blurrieness I have seen on my 65" and it is content related. The blothes are just part of the unevenness of an LCD panel. Some are worse than others, but tv settings can help with that. I've noticed the blurriness when watching channels like ABC and CBS on Direct TV. Seems like a poor feed or the source material being sent out isn't very good.

I think he doesn't understand what judder is and when he says "panning shot blotches" he's really talking about judder. Nothing else makes sense.
post #2022 of 4484
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Originally Posted by BarrettF77 View Post

The blurrieness I have seen on my 65" and it is content related. The blothes are just part of the unevenness of an LCD panel. Some are worse than others, but tv settings can help with that. I've noticed the blurriness when watching channels like ABC and CBS on Direct TV. Seems like a poor feed or the source material being sent out isn't very good.

This is all sport channels. ABC, CBS, Fox, NHL Network. Everything looks bad

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Originally Posted by Flavius View Post

Are you turning on CineMotion in addition to MotionFlow? You need to use both. Also, are you used to viewing a plasma or CRT in the recent past? Because for motion CLARITY, no amount of MotionFlow is going to help you make it look like a plasma. The magic of MotionFlow and where it wipes the floor with plasma, is judder reduction.
It's not clear to me if you are experiencing a blur issue because you're used to plasma screens, or if you're actually seeing motion artifacts caused by MotionFlow. Have you tried turning all the motion stuff off to compare? \
I'd advise trying all possible combinations of MotionFlow and CineMotion together, like I did, as well as everything off, to find the setting you're most happy with. CineMotion isn't just for movies, it affects all content and it interacts with MotionFlow in weird ways.

I tried all possible settings with Cinemotion on/auto1+2/off, and Motionflow on/off. What I am saying is that regardless of what setting i use, everything looks the same. In theory, if you turn on Motionflow Clear and Cinemotion Auto 2, you'd get some awful Soap Opera Effect. I don't see it, my motion settings almost seem "locked" at Montionflow Standard, Cinemtion Auto 1.

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Originally Posted by Flavius View Post

I think he doesn't understand what judder is and when he says "panning shot blotches" he's really talking about judder. Nothing else makes sense.
No its not judder. Judder is basically unsmooth movement. What I'm trying describe is very different from judder...Take a static image, movie it, now throw globs of mud on the screen, any place the the dirt sticks are gonna be the blotches i mentioned. Even after i stop moving the image, the blotches remain for about a sec or 2. I would almost say that the pixels don't change fast enough, leaving an after image under certain sections of the screen.


When I get home from work, I will try and capture all these problems using a video camera. I'm not sure how great the quality would be though.
post #2023 of 4484
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Originally Posted by BarrettF77 View Post

I find it funny how people post questions on what they should do when they see a defect. When they have to go to the bathroom, do they ask someone what to do in an instance like that or soil themselves?
If it shouldn't be there then accept it or exchange it. I'm glad I went through the hassle I did and have to sets I'm content with. I also had heard that Sony is done with the array led sets after the 950. Perhaps like all the other greats they too are caving to money saving tactics? Then the ELITE WILL be the ONLY option for true quality images. I'd have gotten the elite if it didn't have the pulsing back light issue and cost me a second mortgage for something with a product margin of over 100% easy.

coming from the guy that has taken back twenty sets because he had one channel that didnt look right. people like you are the reason sony cant bring the price down on this set..i'm glad i did ask the question and i'm glad mike50 took the time to answer it because it only poped up during a setting i never even use while watching 3d, so i didnt know if it was a minor defect or major that would later effect the tv..we cant return every set over a small defect or we will become crazy. now i know why sony told you they were going to call legal on you ..
post #2024 of 4484
Ok. Here is a video, sorry for the crappy quality. But it will at least illustrate my point about the motion settings doing nothing. Now on my tv, there is about a 1cm area of blur surrounding everything. If you look really closely at the vid, you might be able to see it. Any tips on recording a tv? I have an Nex 5n and it records very good video so i figure it should do a good job, but it just looks awful
post #2025 of 4484
^looks buttery smooth to me. I don't see anything wrong at all with the picture man.
post #2026 of 4484
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Originally Posted by kickalillas2 View Post

Ok. Here is a video, sorry for the crappy quality. But it will at least illustrate my point about the motion settings doing nothing. Now on my tv, there is about a 1cm area of blur surrounding everything. If you look really closely at the vid, you might be able to see it. Any tips on recording a tv? I have an Nex 5n and it records very good video so i figure it should do a good job, but it just looks awful

I do not see a blur, but a dark pulsing fringe pattern somewhat like an oversize moving fingerprint. If I had something like that on my 55HX950, I would ask for a replacement.
post #2027 of 4484
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Originally Posted by mike50 View Post

I do not see a blur, but a dark pulsing fringe pattern somewhat like an oversize moving fingerprint. If I had something like that on my 55HX950, I would ask for a replacement.

The fingerprint effect is from his camera........Not visible in real life.
post #2028 of 4484
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Originally Posted by Dark_Planet View Post

The fingerprint effect is from his camera........Not visible in real life.
Agreed that's a moire` (a swirling or wavy pattern effect) created when photographing or filming television images.
Edited by IMRIZZO - 12/18/12 at 7:00am
post #2029 of 4484
This is for IMRIZZO. My XBR65hx950 is in a family room with a lot of ambient light during the day. I am able to control this somewhat with opaque blinds but none the less there is still a lot of ambient light. I respect your opinion and if you think your calibrations would be of value in this situation please PM to me.
post #2030 of 4484
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Originally Posted by yatsco View Post

This is for IMRIZZO. My XBR65hx950 is in a family room with a lot of ambient light during the day. I am able to control this somewhat with opaque blinds but none the less there is still a lot of ambient light. I respect your opinion and if you think your calibrations would be of value in this situation please PM to me.

I have PM'd my settings I can only suggest you try them, and see if they help.
post #2031 of 4484
Yeah the motion itself is smooth, but my big complaint, which you can't see in vid because YouTube down scaled the vid, is a hazy blur that surrounds everything. On my set, from a normal viewing position, there is a 1cm ish blur zone that surrounds every player. I don't think that is normal. I understand live tv will never look as good as bluray, but if two analysts and just standing still talking about the game, there shouldn't shouldn't be a blurry area that surrounds them. I'm pretty sure my first set, didn't have this effect.
post #2032 of 4484
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Originally Posted by kickalillas2 View Post

Yeah the motion itself is smooth, but my big complaint, which you can't see in vid because YouTube down scaled the vid, is a hazy blur that surrounds everything. On my set, from a normal viewing position, there is a 1cm ish blur zone that surrounds every player. I don't think that is normal. I understand live tv will never look as good as bluray, but if two analysts and just standing still talking about the game, there shouldn't shouldn't be a blurry area that surrounds them. I'm pretty sure my first set, didn't have this effect.

Are you in Full pixel? I think you are seeing noise from the cable feed, unless you are saying it is on Bluray as well. Also, a little less contrast (if you are using fairly high Picture settings, it may be adding a little noise). Also, only TV, there are a lot of settings that may improve specific things but make others less accurate, but can help with cable. If you are not on full pixel, then adding in some level of Detail Enhancer may look better to you.

my 0.02...
post #2033 of 4484
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Originally Posted by kickalillas2 View Post

Yeah the motion itself is smooth, but my big complaint, which you can't see in vid because YouTube down scaled the vid, is a hazy blur that surrounds everything. On my set, from a normal viewing position, there is a 1cm ish blur zone that surrounds every player. I don't think that is normal. I understand live tv will never look as good as bluray, but if two analysts and just standing still talking about the game, there shouldn't shouldn't be a blurry area that surrounds them. I'm pretty sure my first set, didn't have this effect.

Please cut off Motionflow and Cinemotion; then tell me if you still have this issue.
post #2034 of 4484
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Originally Posted by tbaudoin View Post

Are you in Full pixel? I think you are seeing noise from the cable feed, unless you are saying it is on Bluray as well. Also, a little less contrast (if you are using fairly high Picture settings, it may be adding a little noise). Also, only TV, there are a lot of settings that may improve specific things but make others less accurate, but can help with cable. If you are not on full pixel, then adding in some level of Detail Enhancer may look better to you.
my 0.02...

While I'm thinking about it, I am fairly sure you have separate calibration settings for video streaming. Once a movie is playing, you can hit options and the settings will be different from the TV settings. Also, when in the menu (hit home), you can do the same -they are the settings for the menus in netflix as well as other streaming services I noticed...
post #2035 of 4484
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Originally Posted by tbaudoin View Post

Are you in Full pixel? I think you are seeing noise from the cable feed, unless you are saying it is on Bluray as well. Also, a little less contrast (if you are using fairly high Picture settings, it may be adding a little noise). Also, only TV, there are a lot of settings that may improve specific things but make others less accurate, but can help with cable. If you are not on full pixel, then adding in some level of Detail Enhancer may look better to you.
my 0.02...

I am in full pixel, i will try turning that off though. But wouldn't noise only be visible along the edge of the screen?
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Originally Posted by CRITICALSHOT View Post

Please cut off Motionflow and Cinemotion; then tell me if you still have this issue.

Tried that, no change. I also tried every possible combination of the two.
post #2036 of 4484
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Originally Posted by phil_ View Post

Well after watching a few movies and seeing banding in certain scenes I've decided to exchange the set. Replacement will be here on Friday.
My banding issue is only when i have my mac mini on. I have a light background and can see banding down the middle of the panel. Getting my replacement tomorrow. I hope this panel will not have banding issues.
post #2037 of 4484
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Originally Posted by cosmos5861 View Post

My banding issue is only when i have my mac mini on. I have a light background and can see banding down the middle of the panel. Getting my replacement tomorrow. I hope this panel will not have banding issues.

I can see it with any uniform colored background. Watch a sports broadcast like soccer or football any you will notice it. I was watching football last night and my wife noticed it immediately and said you paid how much for this TV mad.gif
post #2038 of 4484
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Originally Posted by BarrettF77 View Post

I find it funny how people post questions on what they should do when they see a defect. When they have to go to the bathroom, do they ask someone what to do in an instance like that or soil themselves?
If it shouldn't be there then accept it or exchange it. I'm glad I went through the hassle I did and have to sets I'm content with. I also had heard that Sony is done with the array led sets after the 950. Perhaps like all the other greats they too are caving to money saving tactics? Then the ELITE WILL be the ONLY option for true quality images. I'd have gotten the elite if it didn't have the pulsing back light issue and cost me a second mortgage for something with a product margin of over 100% easy.

Actually they are putting all their effort into a joint project with Panasonic to develop big panels in the OLED and CRYSTAL-LED which will be intro'd as the next hi-end series in the XBR line. Both companies are striving to create a hi-quality screen to recovery their losses in the past few years. Oh ! and by the way, their going to be HEAVY DUTY-$$$$ wise mostly likely 55" at 9 to 10K.
post #2039 of 4484
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Originally Posted by phil_ View Post

I can see it with any uniform colored background. Watch a sports broadcast like soccer or football any you will notice it. I was watching football last night and my wife noticed it immediately and said you paid how much for this TV mad.gif

My is not that bad! I have to look very hard to see it when very normal directv. But very noticeable when i use my mac on it. Other than the banding I love this panel.
post #2040 of 4484
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Originally Posted by hellotv View Post

coming from the guy that has taken back twenty sets because he had one channel that didnt look right. people like you are the reason sony cant bring the price down on this set..i'm glad i did ask the question and i'm glad mike50 took the time to answer it because it only poped up during a setting i never even use while watching 3d, so i didnt know if it was a minor defect or major that would later effect the tv..we cant return every set over a small defect or we will become crazy. now i know why sony told you they were going to call legal on you ..

I haven't taken any sets back over a channel not looking right smart@$$. 8 sets went back between the TWO sets I bought and still own 2! The ones that went back had a cluster of dead pixels in the middle, a few stuck pixels on the screen, severe banding down the middle that was a huge distraction after giving it 3 weeks and trying to adjust to it, and two had little balls of fuzz under the glass that appeared as dark spots on the panel. If you would pay what the TV costs and keep them then you are probably what every low quality television manufacturer wants. Next....
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